RCMP - BC - What is going on?

Goober

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BC has the largest contingent of RCMP in Canada - Yet they seem to be at the for front of massive Fukups - More I would say than in the ROC combined.

Shoddy policing and accountability show RCMP in B.C. have learned very little - The Globe and Mail

On Sept. 18, 2008, a 911 operator received a report of shots fired inside a rural Mission home. A transcript indicated that when the dispatcher relayed the information to the local RCMP detachment, the officer on duty, Constable Mike White, responded, “Six gunshots in a row and a crash,” and then was heard laughing.

Constable White went to the home – and three minutes later left without even getting out of his car. (Another RCMP officer and an auxiliary member also attended in a separate vehicle, but did not get out of their car either).

Four days later, the Mounties were called to the home again. Inside, they found one man dead and a woman alive but barely clinging to life. She died en route to hospital.

The parents of the dead woman, Mark and Rosemarie Surakka, lodged a complaint with the RCMP concerning the conduct of the senior investigating officer – Constable White. They contended that their daughter, Lisa Dudley, would likely be alive today had the officer done his job properly and gone inside the house the night the shots were fired.

The officer, now a corporal – he was promoted less than a month after the incident – faced a disciplinary hearing this year for his actions in 2008. The hearing came about mostly because of pressure put on the Mounties by the Surakkas. It lasted less than an hour. The officer was formally reprimanded and docked a day’s pay.

And that was it.

This case would appear to follow in the fine tradition of other ignominious examples of shoddy policing in B.C. by the RCMP. Among them the taser-related death of Robert Dziekanski and the jailhouse shooting of Ian Bush. The RCMP’s conduct in B.C. has pretty much been on trial for a few years, reaching its peak during the public outrage over the death of Mr. Dziekanski.

That prompted a public inquiry and a humiliating dressing down of the force by Commissioner Thomas Braidwood in his June, 2010, report. That, in turn, led to assurances from the Mounties that it was a different organization; that it had learned from its mistakes. But the disciplinary hearing for Corporal White was this year – in the shadow of one of the force’s darkest moments in B.C.

And yet the RCMP decided that a reprimand and the loss of one day’s pay was sufficient discipline for blowing off a shots-fired call? For a dereliction of duty that arguably may have cost someone her life? I know we will never know for sure if Lisa Dudley would have survived had she been rescued four days earlier when she should have been. But it’s fair to say her chances of survival would have been a helluva lot better.

At the disciplinary hearing, an RCMP panel didn’t give the family of the dead woman a chance to speak. It didn’t allow an independent review of the incident – conducted by an outside force and scathing in its assessment of Corp. White’s actions – to be submitted. It didn’t even allow the 911 call in which Constable White joked about the matter to be entered into the record.

The so-called investigation of the officer’s conduct in this case is as egregious as the behaviour of the officer.

The Mounties would like this story to go away. They are hoping they can ride out a few days of bad publicity that follow the release this week of the 911 exchange and that will be that. Three people have been charged in connection with the shooting, but no one is sure when they will get to trial.

A coroner’s inquest, a venue where we might get more answers about what happened here, can’t occur until all criminal proceedings related to the incident are concluded. Who knows when that might be?

That can’t be good enough. Not a chance. Something has to be done about this before then.
 

Cannuck

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BC has the largest contingent of RCMP in Canada - Yet they seem to be at the for front of massive Fukups - More I would say than in the ROC combined.

Cause and effect. They seem to be at the for front of massive Fukups because they have the largest contingent of RCMP in Canada
 

petros

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But it was dark and raining in a spooky area. The cop was afraid.

Whatever happen to two cops to a car? In an illusion to make it look like there is a bigger police presence to appease the paranoid there is one cop per car. If he had a buddy to hold his hand he might have gotten out of the car and went into the rain in the spooky dark area.
 

relic

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My theory is,you can get away with pretty puch anything as long as you don't have a beer or a joint.Back in my boozin' n' croozin days,we knew we were safe on a rainy night.
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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Seems like simple math to me. The higher concentration you have of a particular demographic the more likely you are going to find a higher ration of incidents.

I wonder how that rates against accomplishments, sacrifice and acts of bravery?
 

Cannuck

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We need Cop's I agree. But to many is just as bad as not enough.

Not sure how it works elsewhere but in Alberta, the province doesn't give municipalities policing funds directly (Ralph changed that a few years ago). Now, municipalities get a large share of ticket revenue. Consequently, cops have become little more than tax collectors here.
 

grumpydigger

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The biggest problem I see with the RCMP in British Columbia and across Canada is that the members realize that there's virtually no repercussions to their misconduct.......if they're real lucky, they may be on paid leave for 2 or 3 years...and if they are found guilty of misconduct the worst they can get is 10 days unpaid suspension and some sort of reprimand.....LOL.........

so in other words, the system is set up for them to believe that the laws do not apply to them.....

one RCMP officer even if he is considered a good one will not say anything to discredit a bad apple RCMP officer no matter what misconduct has been committed.........it's written right into their code of conduct.
 

VanIsle

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Goober - I have no references for you - but only a day or two ago, my husband was reading an article to me from his computer regarding the incident you are referring to where the officer did not do his job and check out the shots fired. Both my husband and I feel he was negligent in not physically going and checking. What he read to me said that the officer checked with the person who made the 911 call and that the person who made the call did not make it until a couple of hours after he/she (I don't know) heard the shots and said that the sound of the shots could have been shots or could have been a car back firing. Remember - I am only stating what was read to me from whatever news type article he was reading. I don't know how valid his source was - I was not looking at his computer and was across the table from him. He would have been reading some kind of news article unless someone sent him an email about it. If it is true that the call came in a couple of hours after it happened and there was no other reports, I think anyone can see a reason why no one would rush to the scene. However - once there, I personally think the officer should have checked the house and checked personally with the 911 caller. I believe that in what my husband read out to me, he said that the officer called the 911 complainant, which to me means, he just phoned him. If that is not true, the 911 complainant could dispute it and his telephone records would show if he himself was being truthful or not. It's difficult to know at this point what is actual fact. I am surprized that he received a promotion so close to the timing of this event. I only see it explained in one of two ways. Either it was already in the works and they let it go through or what I believe to be the more likely one (speculation only here) is that he was given a promotional transfer (did it say he was transferred?) in order to move him away from the situation that may or may not be being blown out of proportion. If the 911 call went down as my husband read, then it puts a whole new slant on this scene. It still doesn't excuse the officer from not physcially checking the scene out. I can't see either where rain would have any bearing on it. (not that you said that, that I know of).
I do not understand why having the dead woman's parents speak would carry any relevance at all so why would they let them take up valuable trial time? While I agree that their daughter might well be alive today, they are not considered experts so what they had to say, no matter how important to them, would not be important to the case. There is just so much that we, as the public, do not know and do not have access to. Stripes given to a police officer today, can just as easily be stripped tomorrow.
 

petros

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I do not understand why having the dead woman's parents speak would carry any relevance at all so why would they let them take up valuable trial time? While I agree that their daughter might well be alive today, they are not considered experts so what they had to say, no matter how important to them, would not be important to the case. There is just so much that we, as the public, do not know and do not have access to. Stripes given to a police officer today, can just as easily be stripped tomorrow.
That is what is known as a "victim impact statement" and can have quite the bearing on the outcome of a judicial decision.
 

Goober

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Seems like simple math to me. The higher concentration you have of a particular demographic the more likely you are going to find a higher ration of incidents.

I wonder how that rates against accomplishments, sacrifice and acts of bravery?

From what I understand the problems based upon numbers of Officers are higher than in other regions. Could be a number of things that cause this. I do recall one Detachment in BC has a rate that is significantly higher than others in BC - And that was based upon population, Numbers of officers, crimes etc all being equal, pro rated and they still came out on top for problems with officers. That does cause a person to wonder why?
 

VanIsle

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That is what is known as a "victim impact statement" and can have quite the bearing on the outcome of a judicial decision.
No - it is not. I read the article as a "trial" rather than paying attention to what it really was. It was a disciplinary hearing. Quite different and not open to the public. In reality, no different than a time when anyone's boss takes them aside and chastises them for some wrong doing. Victim Impact Statments are for trials. There was no judicial decision taking place at this hearing.