I think it is funny that people think our food should be regulated at all. People play with poisonous snakes to prove their faith but I don't see anybody screaming to have the practice stopped. If someone thinks raw milk is dangerous - don't drink it. If someone thinks it is healthy and safe, why should anybody else care?
Raw Milk Victories
- Thread starter dumpthemonarchy
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could someone explain to me, in an unbiased way, why milk
was pastuerized in the first place, i'm sure it was done
from serious scientific findings. What were they.
was pastuerized in the first place, i'm sure it was done
from serious scientific findings. What were they.
Someone died about 60 years ago so now we all have to drink milk that has the digestive enzyme required for milk assimilation baked out of it.
Simplest answer is that unpasteurized milk was proven to be a vector for tuberculosis. Pasteurization also retards spoilage.
Thanks Dex
Which tells me that 'if' everyone returned to drinking raw milk, slowly tuberculosis
would make a return, after it has been quite successfully controlled.
Tuberculosis is a devastating disease.
Don't like that idea.
Do you remember a few months ago when a young lady was killed by a couple of wolves in a park on the east coast. Knee jerk: kill all the wolves.
The government has been genuflecting on every single incident to harm someone in at least 60 years as an excuse to pass stupid laws that infringe on everybody's rights by falsely claiming that it is for your good. Pasteurization was a knee jerk reaction.
Talloola - Here's one excerpt from many, many articles available on the subject of pasteurization...
The Myth of Pasteurization
One more thing before we go. Our second reference above makes this statement: "Pasteur developed ‘pasteurization’, a process by which harmful microbes in perishable food products are destroyed using heat, without destroying the food."
This is not entirely true. Pasteurization does NOT kill ALL harmful microbes in milk and it DOES harm the milk.
In her book, The Medical Mafia, Dr Lanctôt debunks pasteurization with a one-two punch:
- The temperature is not high enough.
- The temperature is too high.
Secondly, the heating process injures the milk. She points out that pasteurization destroys milk’s intrinsic germicidal properties, not to mention healthy enzymes. She goes on to state that 50% of milks calcium is unusable (the body cannot assimilate it) after pasteurization. So much for all those milk commercials.
Here’s something we found online that was drawn up for a Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors concerning outbreaks from pasteurized milk:
1997, 28 persons ill from Salmonella in California, ALL FROM PASTEURIZED MILK.
1996, 46 persons ill from Campylobacter and Salmonella in California.
1994, 105 persons ill from E. coli and Listeria in California
March of 1985 19,660 confirmed cases of Salmonella typhimurium illness FROM CONSUMING PROPERLY PASTEURIZED MILK. Over 200,000 people ill from Salmonella typhimurium in PASTEURIZED MILK
1985, 142 cases and 47 deaths traced to PASTEURIZED Mexican-style cheese contaminated with Listeria monocytogenes. Listeria monocytogenes SURVIVES PASTEURIZATION!
1985, 1500 persons ill from Salmonella infection
August of 1984 approximately 200 persons became ill with a Salmonella typhimurium from CONSUMING PASTEURIZED MILK
November of 1984, another outbreak of Salmonella typhimurium illness from CONSUMING PASTEURIZED MILK
1983, over 49 persons with Listeria illness have been associated with the consumption of PASTEURIZED MILK in Massachusetts.
1993, 28 persons ill from Salmonella infection
1982, 172 persons ill (100 hospitalized) from a three Southern state area from PASTEURIZED MILK.
1982, over 17,000 persons became ill with Yersinia enterocolitica from PASTEURIZED MILK bottled in Memphis, Tennessee.
It is the author’s conclusion that pasteurization is simply a quick fix that allows large cartels to profit from the sales of milk. Instead of relying on safe, sterile handling procedures of raw milk (which would make the costs of milk much more expensive), we’ve incorporated this quick fix, which might or might not work, but certainly helps the cartels profit. If you live near a farm, go get yourself some raw milk. Heck, I’d even drink that!
You can find the background and complete article at: Louis Pasteur And the Myth of Pasteurization
If salmonella was in pasturized milk, it would have been
in the milk before pasteurization as well, the pasteruization didn't cause the salmonella, but it also
didn't kill it. The original reasons for salmonella contamination should be
checked into before pastueurization.
There's been salmonella outbreaks in the last few years in California produce as well...... lettuce and aparagus if memory serves me right...... maybe what should be looked at is how California handles their milk and produce rather than blaming pasturization.
Talloola - Here's a sentence from post #14 on this thread...
"Pasteurization destroys the organisms in raw milk that protect against pathogens, leaving it devoid of its protective mechanism against undesirable bacterial contamination."
I have often wondered if there was any connection between the rise in cases brought by citizens against the government and the ensuing rise in government regulations.
Raw milk?
From where?
If I head to a farm and grab up a 4 litre of raw milk, or the farmer uses the raw milk... cool.
BUT... most food guidelines are not about the farm, and direct purchase....
Anyone who wants the 'option' to buy raw milk in a store REALLY ought to take a trip to a dairy farm. I did recently on a field trip with my daughter's class.
Go stand in the manure encrusted milking room. Go watch the filthy trucker hook up the hose to the 'milking room output', and pump the milk into his truck. Think for a while about that truck travelling down the road to the processing facility. The processing facility processing the milk (and all the hoses, pumps, etc involved there), then trucking the milk to the store. Then the milk sitting in the store.
Yeah... I don't mind the IDEA of raw milk. The reality on a commercial scale is a whole other ball game though folks.
As sad as it is to say, safety standards have to be factored in to the lowest common demonenator for public safety.
From where?
If I head to a farm and grab up a 4 litre of raw milk, or the farmer uses the raw milk... cool.
BUT... most food guidelines are not about the farm, and direct purchase....
Anyone who wants the 'option' to buy raw milk in a store REALLY ought to take a trip to a dairy farm. I did recently on a field trip with my daughter's class.
Go stand in the manure encrusted milking room. Go watch the filthy trucker hook up the hose to the 'milking room output', and pump the milk into his truck. Think for a while about that truck travelling down the road to the processing facility. The processing facility processing the milk (and all the hoses, pumps, etc involved there), then trucking the milk to the store. Then the milk sitting in the store.
Yeah... I don't mind the IDEA of raw milk. The reality on a commercial scale is a whole other ball game though folks.
As sad as it is to say, safety standards have to be factored in to the lowest common demonenator for public safety.
Well, you should be pretty happy that everything is certainly at the lowest common denominator then.
If you'd like a real eye-opener, pay a visit to a feedlot sometime, followed by a tour of a large commercial abbatoir. Or maybe a chicken factory to see where all those pretty eggs come from. A pig factory is likely the ultimate, if you could stand the stench.
One of the reasons the commercial milk producers don't give a sh*t about all that sh*t is that the governments are quite content with the knowledge that pasteurization will take care of it.