Quit picking on Obama……

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In the first 19 months of the Obama administration, the federal
debt held by the public increased by $2.5260 trillion, which is
more than the cumulative total of the national debt held by the
public that was amassed by all U.S. presidents from George
Washington through Ronald Reagan. [...]


Source= Obama Added More to National Debt in First 19 Months Than All Presidents from Washington Through Reagan Combined - talk.politics.misc | Google Groups

Calculated over 8 years amount to 12.7629 trillion:roll:
 

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In the first 19 months of the Obama administration, the federal
debt held by the public increased by $2.5260 trillion, which is
more than the cumulative total of the national debt held by the
public that was amassed by all U.S. presidents from George
Washington through Ronald Reagan. [...]


Source= Obama Added More to National Debt in First 19 Months Than All Presidents from Washington Through Reagan Combined - talk.politics.misc | Google Groups

Calculated over 8 years amount to 12.7629 trillion:roll:



Yeah but what about Bush!
 

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Perhaps it's easier to actually make a judgment if we know what that money has gone towards.

Firstly, we know 0.5 trillion has already been paid out for the Economic Stimulus. When you look at that number, the sad fact is that we're technically bailing out the middle class almost as much as we've paid out to the poor.

Economic Stimulus Bill - Economic Stimulus Package - Obama Economic Stimulus Package

Now the causes of the financial crisis that warranted this stimulus package was a direct result of many factors. But the timeframes for those causes are a pretty telling. Most of these problems peaked during the time of the Bush administration. That administration, greedy corporations and irresponsible banking during that period was the culprit for this unavoidable, additional spending.

U.S. Housing bubble and forclosures
The national median home price ranged from 2.9 to 3.1 times median household income. This ratio rose to 4.0 in 2004, and 4.6 in 2006.

Subprime Lending
Subprime mortgages remained below 10% of all mortgage originations until 2004, when they spiked to nearly 20%.

Mortgage Underwriting
A study by analysts at the Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland found that the average difference between subprime and prime mortgage interest rates (the "subprime markup") declined significantly between 2001 and 2007. The quality of loans originated also worsened gradually during that period.

Corporate Risk-Taking and Leverage
From 2004-07, the top five U.S. investment banks each significantly increased their financial leverage (see diagram), which increased their vulnerability to a financial shock. These five institutions reported over $4.1 trillion in debt for fiscal year 2007, about 30% of USA nominal GDP for 2007.

Causes of the financial crisis of 2007?2010 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Now, we all know who is directly responsible for giving the go ahead for both the war in Iraq and the war in Afghanistan. Can't really argue against that. Of course, Obama is responsible for not withdrawing out of Afghanistan, so I will hold him to that, but in either case, the military costs for the first 2 years of his employment were unavoidable as the plan to go into Afghanistan (as well as the funding for the initiative) was already approved before Obama came into power.

Those costs are roughly $750 Billion dollars per year. The cost of war has been increasing significantly since 2003, which was obviously the same year we invaded Iraq.



http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending


So if we add up these expenditures which primarily exist because of the Bush administration, that comes out to around 2 Trillion. Which makes sense, because the remaining bit is paid out to the poor. If anything, you could truly hold Obama accountable for maintaining the war on poverty, but that is a legitimate expense. We already knew that the earlier administration was responsible for this 2 Trillion, but the existing administration is unfairly getting the flack for having to inherit their mess.
 
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So if we add up these expenditures which primarily exist because of the Bush administration, that comes out to around 2 Trillion. Which makes sense, because the remaining bit is paid out to the poor. If anything, you could truly hold Obama accountable for maintaining the war on poverty, but that is a legitimate expense. We already knew that the earlier administration was responsible for this 2 Trillion, but the existing administration is unfairly getting the flack for having to inherit their mess.

No, the existing Administration WANTED this mess... and it was a mess I agree. They have made the mess into a bigger mess. As I said, Obama WANTED to be President, nobody forced him and he said he could fix this mess. So far he has made it worse and continues to make it worse.

The flack is well deserved and well earned.
 

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Not really... but whatever keeps you entertained.

Yeah...really.



Oh so I suppose it is OK for Obama to continue then.

Did I say that?

All I said was many cons suddenly care about the debt.



Not inherited, wanted by choice. He said he could fix it and won the job. Nobody forced him to be POTUS.

He's not doing a good job, I've said it many times...next.


Thats right he did! I bet that POed a whole bunch of folks who said it couldn't be won and were praying for the opposite. Put one in the WIN column for the Yanks!

Good for you guys.

Bush put us over the 2 trillion dollar mark, but Obama has us hitting 12 trillion dollars in only a little over a year and a half since taking office.

We are in a mess, and I agree this administration has us right where they want us.

http://www.theobamadebt.com/

When Bush took office, the national debt was $5.73 trillion. When he left, it was $10.7 trillion. That's a difference of $4.97 trillion.

Of course that didn't matter, it was Bush. But then that black socialist president does it then all hell breaks loose and suddenly the other side cares about it.

Typical.:roll:

Well they are already writing Obama's Political Epitath...

"He tried but Bush screwed it up so bad he couldn't fix it."

Democrats were never very good at accepting responsibility.

Politicians are never any good at that.
 

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Of course that didn't matter, it was Bush. But then that black socialist president does it then all hell breaks loose and suddenly the other side cares about it.

I guess Clinton and Carter didn't get any flack during their tenures.

Who said anything about him being black?

Do we need to go back to one of your first threads after being let back in the forum which you started and titled it something along the lines of...

"Why are most crimes committed by blacks?"

Remember that thread Avro?

Typical.:roll:

VERY typical of a Lib to bring in race as usual.

Yeah...really.


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No... not really.
 

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I guess Clinton and Carter didn't get any flack during their tenures.

No, they brought the debt down, what were they thinking? Reagan fixed things for Carter and Bush fixed it for Clinton

Who said anything about him being black?

I did, he is black isn't he?

Do we need to go back to one of your first threads after being let back in the forum which you started and titled it something along the lines of...

"Why are most crimes committed by blacks?"

That misrepresents what I said.

The title was "why does it seem most crime is commited by blacks?"

VERY typical of a Lib to bring in race as usual.

I'm not a Lib and I just stated a fact, nothing criminal about it. Unless you are insinuating something.

Are you?


No... not really.

Yeah really.
 

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No, they brought the debt down, what were they thinking? Reagan fixed things for Carter and Bush fixed it for Clinton

I will give you that things were fine with Bill.. but Jimmy! Please. His presidency was a disaster.



I did, he is black isn't he?

Why is it an issue? I dont hear you yapping about a white president. Why did you feel it neccessary to mention the obvious?

You aren't kidding anyone... at least not me.



That misrepresents what I said.

The title was "why does it seem most crime is commited by blacks?"


I wish we could find the thread and see how I misrepresented you there. It would be fun taking a trip down memory lane and dig up that one. If memory serves correctly you got pounded and spent a good deal of time trying to justify what could be taken as a racist thread.

I'm not a Lib and I just stated a fact, nothing criminal about it. Unless you are insinuating something.

Are you?

I'm letting you dig your own hole...again.


Yeah really.

No... not really. You embellished so... not really.
 

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I will give you that things were fine with Bill.. but Jimmy! Please. His presidency was a disaster.

Not with the debt, it skyrocketed under Reagan.





Why is it an issue? I dont hear you yapping about a white president. Why did you feel it neccessary to mention the obvious?

I've called out most politicians being white old men before nobody seemed to care, not sure why you care about this.

You aren't kidding anyone... at least not me

That's what I said, the title of the thread was "Blacks and Crime"

If you want to make things up about me go right ahead.

I went on to question whether it was true or if it was a perception brought about by the media.

I wish we could find the thread and see how I misrepresented you there. It would be fun taking a trip down memory lane and dig up that one. If memory serves correctly you got pounded and spent a good deal of time trying to justify what could be taken as a racist thread.

You misrepresented me by making a false statement.

I did get pounded, I took on an issue that is very taboo. There is a guy in Toronto named Spider Jones, great guy and a former boxer. A black man who has brought up this very issue and gang violence as well trying to get something done about it. Ignoring it solves nothing.

I'm letting you dig your own hole...again.

I didn't dig a hole, I made the last comment on that thread as everyone else ran the other way. Didn't surprise me.



No... not really. You embellished so... not really.

As accurate as Obama being a Muslim or Kenyan.
 

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Not with the debt, it skyrocketed under Reagan.

How was inflation?



I've called out most politicians being white old men before nobody seemed to care, not sure why you care about this.


Again... you aren't fooling anyone.



That's what I said, the title of the thread was "Blacks and Crime"

If you want to make things up about me go right ahead.

I went on to question whether it was true or if it was a perception brought about by the media.



You misrepresented me by making a false statement.

Yes I got the title of the thread wrong. However the thread is CHOCKFULL of goodies. I'd quit while you are not so far behind.

Remember this little gem from the thread?


"I was just asking why blacks are resposible for most crime."- Avro

THAT was your exact quote from one of the posts.

I did get pounded, I took on an issue that is very taboo. There is a guy in Toronto named Spider Jones, great guy and a former boxer. A black man who has brought up this very issue and gang violence as well trying to get something done about it. Ignoring it solves nothing.



You got pounded because of the stuff you were trying to float. When you got called on it you tried to move the goal post. I just reread the thread and got a chuckle out of it. You outdid yourself on that one.

As accurate as Obama being a Muslim or Kenyan.

That isn't accurate at all. Geez.
 

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How was inflation?

I wasn't talking about inflation, I was talking about debt.

Not sure about inflation under any of them.



Notice any trend?




Again... you aren't fooling anyone.

Okay.




Yes I got the title of the thread wrong. However the thread is CHOCKFULL of goodies. I'd quit while you are not so far behind.


Yes you did get the title wrong, glad you admit it. I won't quit, if you are ready to revisit it I will come along just not in this thread.

We can start from here...

Among men, blacks (28.5%) are about six times more likely than whites (4.4%)
to be admitted to prison during their life. Among women, 3.6% of blacks and
0.5% of whites will enter prison at least once. (U.S. Department of Justice)
Based on current rates of incarceration, an estimated 7.9% of black males
compared to 0.7% of white males will enter State of Federal prison by the
time they are age 20 and 21.4% of black males versus 1.4% of white males will
be incarcerated by age 30. (U.S. Department of Justice)
Some have noted that more black men are in prison in America than are in
college. (The Black and White of Justice, Freedom Magazine, Volume 12)

Remember this little gem from the thread?


"I was just asking why blacks are resposible for most crime."- Avro

THAT was your exact quote from one of the posts.

I don't deny saying that.



You got pounded because of the stuff you were trying to float. When you got called on it you tried to move the goal post. I just reread the thread and got a chuckle out of it. You outdid yourself on that one.

What did I try to float that got repudiated? Very hard to find stats on black crime because no one is willing to do a study on it. I found some numbers via the FBI that seemed to verify my claim and posted them....that I believe was the last post.



That isn't accurate at all. Geez.

I know that, didn't seem you were very convinced in the thread I started about Obama and his birth certificate.

Perhaps you have now come to the correct conclusion despite about 30% of Americans who seem to think otherwise. Glad you're not one of them.

http://cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/Revenue_v_Spending.png
 

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at least he gets things done. even with the party of no down his neck.

Get's things done?

He hasn't done anything but uphold Bush policies.

Obama to this date has been a failure, especially measured against this messiah like persona dumbocrats were inflating him with.

He can't even control his own party for crying out loud.:roll:
 

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I wasn't talking about inflation, I was talking about debt.

Not sure about inflation under any of them.



Notice any trend?

Well clearly the Carter Presidency was an utter disaster.



Yes you did get the title wrong, glad you admit it. I won't quit, if you are ready to revisit it I will come along just not in this thread.

Again you are having comprehension difficulties. Scroll up and you will see that I was unsure of the title of the thread.

We can start from here...

Among men, blacks (28.5%) are about six times more likely than whites (4.4%)
to be admitted to prison during their life. Among women, 3.6% of blacks and
0.5% of whites will enter prison at least once. (U.S. Department of Justice)
Based on current rates of incarceration, an estimated 7.9% of black males
compared to 0.7% of white males will enter State of Federal prison by the
time they are age 20 and 21.4% of black males versus 1.4% of white males will
be incarcerated by age 30. (U.S. Department of Justice)
Some have noted that more black men are in prison in America than are in
college. (The Black and White of Justice, Freedom Magazine, Volume 12)

Why not start from here?

"Why are the majority of crimes committed by blacks?" - Avro



What did I try to float that got repudiated? Very hard to find stats on black crime because no one is willing to do a study on it.

See above

I found some numbers via the FBI that seemed to verify my claim and posted them....that I believe was the last post.

Oh yeah? You may want to read that data again or have someone explain it to you.


I know that, didn't seem you were very convinced in the thread I started about Obama and his birth certificate.

I know that I told you I did not know anything about the claim either way. I know I said it didn't concern me because I said it doesn't matter. I know you tried vainly to catch me in something but I wouldn't bite because I repeatedly said to you I didn't know much about the topic at hand. I know you got all worked up trying to get me going yet failed.

Perhaps you have now come to the correct conclusion despite about 30% of Americans who seem to think otherwise. Glad you're not one of them.

Perhaps you have convinced yourself that I cared either way.

at least he gets things done. even with the party of no down his neck.

Party of No?

As of today the Democrats control both the Senate, House of Reps, and the Oval Office. The GOP (aka to the Dems "Party of No") can't do a darn thing except fillibuster.

Not one thing can stop the Democrats in getting things passed today. Come November that may be different.

Face it Critter... the Democrats failed miserably and stand to lose everything they gained in 2006 and 2008.