Queen Honours Cretien

[SirJosephPorter]

An example: a low life with a criminal record, from a 3rd world country, comes into the country illegally. Because of the darn charter, he is clothed, housed and fed on our tax dollars. Without the charter he is put on a leaky boat back to where he came from.

Charter has nothing to do with that, Risus, that is the government policy. Charter doesn’t say that Canada must give shelter to illegal aliens, most of the Charter provisions do not even apply to non citizens (only a few of them do), those on temporary visa here or those who are here illegally.

But if the government decides to deport somebody like that immediately, Charter won’t stop the government from doing so. Perhaps he may be able to appeal, but while the appeal is being processed, he can be imprisoned.

What you are talking of here is the government policy, it has nothing to do with Charter. The status of an illegal alien today is no different from it was in pre Charter days.

 

[Goober]

And you know that, how? Are you an expert in military matters? Or have you been reading conspiracy theorists?

If Chretien sent Canadian soldiers to death knowingly (as you seem to imply), do you suppose the opposition would have kept quiet about it for even a minute? Conservatives, NDP would have raised merry Hell about it. Newspapers would be full of nothing else but how the PM knowingly sent Canadian soldiers into battle to a certain death. Gomery inquiry would have paled in comparison.

But evidently the opposition had more sense than that, they knew they could not make such a preposterous accusation stick.

Do you suppose Canadians would have given Chretien three back to back majorities, knowing that he deliberately sent Canadian soldiers to die?

You have evidently been reading conspiracy theorists.

SJPNo I am not a Military Genius but when you send as Chretien/Martin did - poorly equipped troops they die because of not having the proper equipment - The opposition stated for years that DND was poorly equipped - Yet you disagree with that - Has any politician stated that Chretien/Martin has blood on their hands - No - But they do Did you bother to read the list of Soldiers and how they died on the CBC'S website - No I would say - The Military stated time and again along with many organization that soldiers were poorly equipped - Choppers were needed to lessen the number of soldiers killed as road supply thru Taliban controlled areas would be minimial and only as required - Same with the Iltis deployed to Afghanistan -Purchased from Bombardier for $67,000 copy - for junk - Yet are you a military expert - Have you bothered to research it - No - why - because it would bring tarnish to Chretien /Martin.

 

[Goober]

And you know that, how? Are you an expert in military matters? Or have you been reading conspiracy theorists?

If Chretien sent Canadian soldiers to death knowingly (as you seem to imply), do you suppose the opposition would have kept quiet about it for even a minute? Conservatives, NDP would have raised merry Hell about it. Newspapers would be full of nothing else but how the PM knowingly sent Canadian soldiers into battle to a certain death. Gomery inquiry would have paled in comparison.

But evidently the opposition had more sense than that, they knew they could not make such a preposterous accusation stick.

Do you suppose Canadians would have given Chretien three back to back majorities, knowing that he deliberately sent Canadian soldiers to die?

You have evidently been reading conspiracy theorists.

SJP - Just some info - pick it apart - I eagely await your twisted replies - Report of the Standing Committee onNational DefenceRick Casson, MPChairJun-0739th PARLIAMENT, 1st SESSIONhttp://www.afghanistan.gc.ca/canada-afghanistan/assets/pdfs/scond_e.pdfPg 8Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan have been provided with some of the bestequipment in the world and, perhaps of more importance, the national defenceprocurement process has been dramatically successful in delivering new, importantoperational equipment quickly. Where it traditionally took up to 10 or more years for majorequipment to reach the troops in the field, new artillery guns, new mine-resistant armouredpersonnel carriers, uninhabited aerial vehicles and additional armour plating for trucks allarrived in Afghanistan within one year of the request by commanders. This represents astartling and welcome display of government will and cooperation among military andbureaucratic officialsNote - This equipment was finally coming thru in 2007 or later - Pg 71Canadian Forces elements in Afghanistan depend, in large part, on vehicle convoysto transport troops into action, re-supply forward operating bases and conduct routineadministrative movement in the Kandahar city area. Any road movement is liable to attackby an improvised explosive device, a suicide bomber or ambush by insurgents. Having amedium lift helicopter to move troops around the operational area will mitigate the risk ofroad movement and increase the speed of tactical deployments.Lieutenant-General Leslie also pointed out that those same helicopters areoperationally required here in Canada, for a variety of domestic operations. They areparticularly valuable in moving people and supplies in the area of floods, fires andice-storms.DND is currently pursuing a project worth a total of $4.7 billion to acquire a fleet of16 medium-heavy lift helicopters for the Canadian Forces. However, the project scheduledoes not provide helicopters to the Canadian Forces in Afghanistan before February 2009.The Committee therefore feels that the project should be accelerated to the degreerequired to give our deployed troops the necessary helicopters as soon as practicable.RECOMMENDATION 9The government should accelerate its effort to expedite the deliverymedium-heavy lift helicopters to support combat operations of theCanadian Forces in Afghanistan and ensure that the helicoptersacquired are effective in both domestic and international operations.14 Remember this report was in 2007 - 6 years after Candian Soldiers were on the ground -

 

[Goober]

And it is nonsense to say that economic recovery had started before Liberals came into power. Kim Campbell wouldn’t answer the simple question ‘what is the deficit’ time and again. Deficit was skyrocketing when Chrétien came to power. I remember when Martin proclaimed that he will balance the budget in a few years, reporters plainly were skeptical, they did not believe him. They kept asking him what happens if he could not balance the budget. To which his confident reply was, ‘we will balance it’.

Economy was very much on life support when Chrétien came to power, he is the one who rescued it. It was not a coincidence that Canadians gave him three back to back majorities.



SJP

Get some water as what you swallow now is your own BS - Drink heavy

SJPGet some water as what you swallow now is your own BS - Drink heavy
Canadian Economic Observer: Section 3: Feature article
Statistics Canadawww.statcan.gc.ca

September 1947 to March 1948
February 1949 to July 1949
June 1951 to December 1951
April 1953 to April 1954
April 1957 to January 1958
February 1960 to March 1961
March 1970 to June 1970
January 1975 to March 1975
February 1980 to June 1980J
uly 1981 to October 1982

April 1990 to April 1992
When did Chretien the Crook get elected?????

 

[AnnaG]

Why indeed? It could only be because he deserves it (at least in the eyes of the Queen). Quite a feather in the cap for Chrétien and indeed for Canada, in spite of all the whiners (the whiners probably would like to see Mulroney, Harper or somebody like that get the award, presumably that will show that Queen knows her business).

Mulroney? Harper? Are you off your nut? Mulroney seems to be is as much a crook as ChRETIeN. What has Harper done to merit that much credit?
He deserves it? He's a crook. So he did his job sometimes, big deal. Other pols have done their jobs just as well.

As I said, I think the Queen's off her rails. Sometimes that happens with age. So two big awards within a year have been rendered into jokes. What's next, George Clooney wins the Miss Universe title or something? I think this award stuff is just hilarious.

 

[AnnaG]

And it is nonsense to say that economic recovery had started before Liberals came into power. Kim Campbell wouldn’t answer the simple question ‘what is the deficit’ time and again. Deficit was skyrocketing when Chrétien came to power. I remember when Martin proclaimed that he will balance the budget in a few years, reporters plainly were skeptical, they did not believe him. They kept asking him what happens if he could not balance the budget. To which his confident reply was, ‘we will balance it’.

Economy was very much on life support when Chrétien came to power, he is the one who rescued it. It was not a coincidence that Canadians gave him three back to back majorities.



SJP

Get some water as what you swallow now is your own BS - Drink heavy

SJPGet some water as what you swallow now is your own BS - Drink heavy
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/11-010-x/2009003/part-partie3-eng.htmBitmap
Statistics Canadawww.statcan.gc.ca

September 1947 to March 1948
February 1949 to July 1949
June 1951 to December 1951
April 1953 to April 1954
April 1957 to January 1958
February 1960 to March 1961
March 1970 to June 1970
January 1975 to March 1975
February 1980 to June 1980J
uly 1981 to October 1982

April 1990 to April 1992
When did Chretien the Crook get elected?????

I couldn't see your link.

 

[Goober]

I couldn't see your link.

AnnaG

This should work.

Canadian Economic Observer: Section 3: Feature article

 

[AnnaG]

AnnaG

This should work.

Canadian Economic Observer: Section 3: Feature article

That worked.
I found Jean ChRETIeN : Prime Minister from
November 4, 1993 to December 12, 2003.
Recession date from April 1990 to April 1992. So, April '92 and on was recovery from recession. It had a year and some months of recovery time before ChRETIeN squirmed his way into the PMO.

 

[Goober]

That worked.
I found Jean ChRETIeN : Prime Minister from
November 4, 1993 to December 12, 2003.
Recession date from April 1990 to April 1992. So, April '92 and on was recovery from recession. It had a year and some months of recovery time before ChRETIeN squirmed his way into the PMO.

AnnaG Those are just real life facts and as such are not relevant to SJP's worship of Chretien - Note in another post how he paid no attention to corruption - as they all do it he states - - None as well as Jean - So fact to SJP are ignored otherwise his God would be found to have feet of clay - Can't have Liberals thinking that now can we. Same as the points I brought up about the Military and soldiers dying because of a lack of equipment - Nope can't have that laid at a Liberals feet now can we.

 

[AnnaG]

Well, to be fair, though, there are conservatives who think conservative pols can do no wrong, too. Best play it safe and distrust all of them. lol

 

[Goober]

Well, to be fair, though, there are conservatives who think conservative pols can do no wrong, too. Best play it safe and distrust all of them. lol

AnnaGI stated repeatedly on that Other Forum that I did not want a Majority Govt - I want them critters all on a short leash - Preferably with that kit you can place on a dogs neck to control their barking - Gives them a little shock - I think that should be made mandatory for Politicians that when the say something stupid or outright BS - A little shock therapy could work wonders on cooperation.

 

[AnnaG]

Cool idea, Goober. lol Could also modify it so that when someone like Martin says "Canadians are....." or "Canadians want ..." they get zapped, too. The rich creep doesn't have a clue what an ordinary Canuck's life is like.
And when Harpy or someone like him starts backing down on a promise .... ZAPPO!!

I want the remote!

 

[Goober]

Cool idea, Goober. lol Could also modify it so that when someone like Martin says "Canadians are....." or "Canadians want ..." they get zapped, too. The rich creep doesn't have a clue what an ordinary Canuck's life is like.
And when Harpy or someone like him starts backing down on a promise .... ZAPPO!!

I want the remote!

Yes I do like the idea-

 

[big]

What does indebtedness have to do with deficit, big? The two are totally different. Deficit may lead to indebtedness, but it is not the same as debt.

You are missing all my subtleties. I will not explain to you why the Queen has her face on our currency.

 

[big]

Why indeed? It could only be because he deserves it (at least in the eyes of the Queen). Quite a feather in the cap for Chrétien and indeed for Canada, in spite of all the whiners (the whiners probably would like to see Mulroney, Harper or somebody like that get the award, presumably that will show that Queen knows her business).

You are not a king to speak like that. Give the answer of a subject, like I did.