Doryman said:
There is evidence, everyday, of federal government attempts to take over Québec's competences.
Québec's destiny will be decided by Québécois.
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There is evidence, everyday, of federal government attempts to take over Québec's competences.
DasFX said:
Because we need the tools, and part of the tools is OUR money.
When I see the ministers of environment, federal and our provincial, 2 LIBERALS, Dion and Mulclair, unable to struck a deal on money to reduce GES, it explain everything. One out of many examples.
cub1c said:
Canada is one of, if not the most, decentralized nations in the world. Each province has enourmous power, especially Quebec. Which areas has Ottawa overstepped it bounds and how has it been detrimental to Quebec?
cub1c said:
I agree there is much waste and duplication in government, but this isn't only a Quebec issue.
I sometimes get the impression that Quebecers believe that an independent state would be devoid of mismanagement, waste and corruption. The politics will be the same; only the address will change from Ottawa, Ontario to Quebec City, Quebec.
cub1c said:
let's cut to the chase.........: What is your VISION for an independant nation of Quebec??? What will you have that you don't have now?? and why is it so important to have it.? What would you lose along the way??
Ocean Breeze said:
Yes, that is a great question. How will an independent Quebec serve its citizens better than the province of Quebec?
What type of country do you envision Quebec to become? Where do you see Quebec on the world stage? Canada has a tough enough time being noticed with 32 million people, despite being the second largest nation. I suspect Quebec will lose some of its population immediately after separation and I don't see a huge baby boom occurring just because of independence. So let's say Quebec will have a population of about 7 million people. That would make it the 96th most populace nation on Earth in-between Tajikistan and Honduras. In area Quebec would be the 19th largest nation in-between Mongolia and Peru (provided it remains intact).
I mean, it sure is a step down (no disrespect to those other countries). On top of these rankings, Quebec would become a French island with St. Pierre and Miquelon in a sea of English and Spanish.
If Quebec just wants to another unassuming nation that is simply there, then separation is perfectly fine. But you must agree, diminishing Quebec scope and reach by removing itself from Canada will not help it play a bigger role on the world stage.
RE: Québec's destiny will
Most of your anwsers could be found here.
http://quebeclibre.net
http://quebeclibre.net/pourquoi.html
http://quebeclibre.net/enjeux.html
Most of your anwsers could be found here.
http://quebeclibre.net
http://quebeclibre.net/pourquoi.html
http://quebeclibre.net/enjeux.html
Re: RE: Québec's destiny will
I don't want to read it on some web page. I thought Quebec independence was a passionate dream, that lived deep in the souls of Quebecers. I can find all the propaganda I want on the internet, I want to hear the true feelings and thoughts of a real Quebec Separatist.
cub1c said:
I don't want to read it on some web page. I thought Quebec independence was a passionate dream, that lived deep in the souls of Quebecers. I can find all the propaganda I want on the internet, I want to hear the true feelings and thoughts of a real Quebec Separatist.
Re: RE: Québec's destiny will
with due respect........not all of us read French, and the questions were posed to you .......for your personal take .
referring us to some sites is not answering the questions posed to YOU.
thanks.
cub1c said:
with due respect........not all of us read French, and the questions were posed to you .......for your personal take .
referring us to some sites is not answering the questions posed to YOU.
thanks.
Re: RE: Québec's destiny will
By learning you language, I can now understand your points and how you view things. Learning French is possibly the best way for you to understand my views.
Ocean Breeze said:
By learning you language, I can now understand your points and how you view things. Learning French is possibly the best way for you to understand my views.
Re: RE: Québec's destiny will
sorry........diversional tactics won't work. That does NOT answer any of the questions we posed..........and we refuse to try to read your mind. Seems that one thing is becoming evident and it is that those with separatism on their minds.....are might arrogant. :roll:
cub1c said:
sorry........diversional tactics won't work. That does NOT answer any of the questions we posed..........and we refuse to try to read your mind. Seems that one thing is becoming evident and it is that those with separatism on their minds.....are might arrogant. :roll:
Re: RE: Québec's destiny will
well.......you will have to separate before you can realize independance.
How do you plan to sustain your new nation?? Who will you trade with?? Will you reconnect with France and will France be your "mother " nation..??
cub1c said:
well.......you will have to separate before you can realize independance.
How do you plan to sustain your new nation?? Who will you trade with?? Will you reconnect with France and will France be your "mother " nation..??
RE: Québec's destiny will
Sorry but I can't compensate for your lack of knowledge about 23% of this countrys citizen, and also for your laziness.
I'm being judge for saying nothing, imagine if I say something.
Sorry but I can't compensate for your lack of knowledge about 23% of this countrys citizen, and also for your laziness.
I'm being judge for saying nothing, imagine if I say something.
Re: RE: Québec's destiny will
I'm thinking about trading bamboos with China.
Ocean Breeze said:
I'm thinking about trading bamboos with China.
Re: RE: Québec's destiny will
I read the stuff and frankly, I believe that most objective Quebec wishes to achieve can be done within Canada and the others desires are very superficial in that achieving them will not enhance the lives of the citizens. I mean, one point said that it would be more prestigious to have French as the only national language. French is already the official language of Quebec and the language of the majority. Being independent will not promote the growth of the French language.
cub1c said:
I read the stuff and frankly, I believe that most objective Quebec wishes to achieve can be done within Canada and the others desires are very superficial in that achieving them will not enhance the lives of the citizens. I mean, one point said that it would be more prestigious to have French as the only national language. French is already the official language of Quebec and the language of the majority. Being independent will not promote the growth of the French language.
Re: RE: Québec's destiny will
Why come back then?
You can't even explain the difference between a separatists and an indepndentist, which is basically a "soft-separatist" anyway, who more or less support sovereignty-association, which btw, ain't gonna happen.
cub1c said:
Why come back then?
You can't even explain the difference between a separatists and an indepndentist, which is basically a "soft-separatist" anyway, who more or less support sovereignty-association, which btw, ain't gonna happen.
Re: RE: Québec's destiny will
Technically, they'll have to apply for membership to the WTO, then NAfTA. In doing so, they will lose many of the protections they recieve as a province. Theress already about 30 other nations waiting in line for membership and it's in their interests to pressure Quebec into making concessions they might not ordinarlly have under representation of Canada. They'll also have to sort out deals with dozens of other countries, that'll take forever.Plus, alone against the American beast....say good by to protectionism of anything, including their language and whatever else makes them "distinct".
Ocean Breeze said:
Technically, they'll have to apply for membership to the WTO, then NAfTA. In doing so, they will lose many of the protections they recieve as a province. Theress already about 30 other nations waiting in line for membership and it's in their interests to pressure Quebec into making concessions they might not ordinarlly have under representation of Canada. They'll also have to sort out deals with dozens of other countries, that'll take forever.Plus, alone against the American beast....say good by to protectionism of anything, including their language and whatever else makes them "distinct".