Quebec sovereignists in parliament: where to draw the line?

darkbeaver

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Sovereignists for all their bluster have done nothing but bind the nation together more solidly than was the case before their rise. I like them, they ain't going to walk away from a piece of the whole pie, they are nation builders in spite of their stated objectives.
 

darkbeaver

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And where do we draw the line there?

Let's suppose that your party has a choice between forming a coalition with the following parties:

1. A decentralist world federation party.
2. a centralist world federation party.
3. a centralist Canadian federation party.
4. a decentralist Canadian federation party.
5. a sovereignty association party.
6. a centralist sovereignist party.
7. a decentralist sovereignist party.
8. a pro-city-state party.
9. an anarchist party.

Personally, I'd feel most comfortable with a coalition with 1 above, but would probably feel comfortable with 3-9 above, and not too comfortable with 2 above.

How would you rate yourself according to these criteria?

New World Order by another name Machjo. This is already the case with the BIS and it's decentralist central banks. I am very suspicious of any global overriding organization.
 

Machjo

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New World Order by another name Machjo. This is already the case with the BIS and it's decentralist central banks. I am very suspicious of any global overriding organization.

So you'd prefer rather than UN forces that nation X invade nation Y. Doesn't go down too well for many.

Rather than make the market more efficient with a common currency, you'd rather rich folks making money... buying and selling money?

You'd rather, rather than help the poor, that we spend billions upon billions so each nation can have its own military rather than just have nations share a common force and use the savings to help the poor?

Are you aware of all the inefficiencies in the global system today owing to lack of central planning in a global market? It's still easy, believe it or not, for a criminal to just hide out in another country today.

A world federation could make the economy much more efficient, saving billions if not trillions of dollars that could go towards helping the poor. It could also allow for more decentralized power in the hands of local govenrments, sicne we would no longer need strong national govenrments to protect 'national' interests. So in this respect, world federation could in fact lead to more, not less, decentralization.
 

Cliffy

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A world federation could make the economy much more efficient, saving billions if not trillions of dollars that could go towards helping the poor.

It would also make it easy for a despot to take over the world, like a Hitler or George Bush, which is what the NWO is all about. I don't think they are interested in saving money to help the poor.
 

Machjo

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A world federation could make the economy much more efficient, saving billions if not trillions of dollars that could go towards helping the poor.

It would also make it easy for a despot to take over the world, like a Hitler or George Bush, which is what the NWO is all about. I don't think they are interested in saving money to help the poor.

Using that logic, central power in Canada is equally dangerous, so we ought to decentralize into city states. Oh no, wait, they coud still take over that. Maybe what we need is anarchy, just to be safe.

What about popular rule? I realize that to hold a worldwide grassroots election could be a little tricky, but it could be doen along a pyramidal structure. For example, imagine if the local population voted for its local government, local govenrments the national one, and national governmetns the world one. It would be well nigh impossible for a despot to take over the world. Remember too that the world has so many cultures. The only way a world federaiton could possibly work is if it were decentralized. If too centralized, it would not only be highly inefficient, but also face incredible opposition.

The idea that some despot could take over the world is just paranoia.
 

Liberalman

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You got to remember that it was Conservative Harper that said that Quebec is a nation within a nation.

This means that he is saying that Quebec has a right to separate.
 

Vanni Fucci

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You got to remember that it was Conservative Harper that said that Quebec is a nation within a nation.

This means that he is saying that Quebec has a right to separate.

Actually, what he said was that he recognized Quebec as a nation within a united Canada...which means nothing really...really pissed off the sovereignists as well...

It seems that Harper has a knack for picking the scab of national unity for the sake of partisan political games...