Punjabi students in Canada launch campaign against dowry, feticide

bluebyrd35

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Europe, including Russia, has near 1 billion people, there could easily be enough Europeans to fill our immigrant quotas. Not all of Europe boomed after WW2, and most have the skills to get jobs in Canada.

Have you ever seen some of the bleak cities in Britain? Rows of houses and no trees, desolate looking. We could get 50,000 immigrants per year from Britain tomorrow.

How's the economy in Ukraine? Not so great, but 50 million live there, we could take 25,000 from there per year no problem. Or Italy, another 60 million people, and 35,000 per year won't want to live in Canada? Hard to believe. Then there's Romania, Spain, Slovakia, France etc.

Why are you assuming Europeans or even the average Russian wish to emmigrate here?? Most of Europe has better health and retirement plans that we do, even Greece. How many English, Welsh, Irish, German or Scotch immigrants have you come across recently?? Even our French speaking immigrants do not come from France but places like Taihiti. This is not because they are not admitted, it is because they are not interested in coming here. We would have to kidnap them!!

It is the poorer nations, like those from the middle eastern countries that want to come. There will be the same mixtures of beliefs, and personalities, characters as there has always been. Like the black Irish, Italian Mafia, a number of former Nazi's from Germany, Religious fanatics from all countries, we've had a few of all these immigrate here.
 

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They would cost less. they would need fewer ESL classes, they would integrate/assimilate faster. They wouldn't lobby the govt to wear knives in public under the guise of religion, they wouldn't cover their female bodies up and look like bandits.

Why are Asian immigrants better than others?

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Oh my word, how hilarious!! Some Canadians would like to see the gun registry revoked and I suspect would vote to see the right to carry arms instituted. Some would even support the idea of concealed weapons made legal. Why worry about concealed knives, at least it would take a minute to disentangle a sword or dagger. With a concealed gun they could shoot through their pocket.
 

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Oh my word, how hilarious!! Some Canadians would like to see the gun registry revoked and I suspect would vote to see the right to carry arms instituted. Some would even support the idea of concealed weapons made legal. Why worry about concealed knives, at least it would take a minute to disentangle a sword or dagger. With a concealed gun they could shoot through their pocket.

Some Canadians have concealed carry license. (Called Protected carry in Canada) I had one until I quit my prospecting (hobby) five years ago.
 

bluebyrd35

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Some Canadians have concealed carry license. (Called Protected carry in Canada) I had one until I quit my prospecting (hobby) five years ago.

Not quite the same as, simply having a 3 day waiting period to discourage murdering someone in a fit of anger. In some US states citizens are allowed to own AK 47's & rocket launchers. In fact, nephew got to fire the former but found the cost to fire the latter just a bit too expensive for the experience.

Are you in favour of allowing new immigrants having the same rights here in Canada?? Should they be allowed to carry their swords, cermonial daggers etc. concealed under their robes as a basic right?? Evidence is, that , even terrorists prefer guns to knives & swords. Your gun was registered and I assume you had at least some instructions or courses on the proper handling of a weapon. How about a newly arrived immigrant from a middle eastern country, if they can demonstrate they know how to use such a weapon??
 

DaSleeper

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Not quite the same as, simply having a 3 day waiting period to discourage murdering someone in a fit of anger. In some US states citizens are allowed to own AK 47's & rocket launchers. In fact, nephew got to fire the former but found the cost to fire the latter just a bit too expensive for the experience.

Are you in favour of allowing new immigrants having the same rights here in Canada?? Should they be allowed to carry their swords, cermonial daggers etc. concealed under their robes as a basic right??
Again....already happening...
Sikh students allowed to wear ceremonial dagger to school | swns.com
Evidence is, that , even terrorists prefer guns to knives & swords. Your gun was registered and I assume you had at least some instructions or courses on the proper handling of a weapon. How about a newly arrived immigrant from a middle eastern country, if they can demonstrate they know how to use such a weapon??
One such immigrant from Poland just 10 years in Canada got his protected carry permit as I did in 1980, but for trapping....although since his reason for carrying was for properly dispatching trapped animals, his permit was for a .22 cal only, while mine was for protection so my need and license was for .357 or .44 .
 

bluebyrd35

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Again....already happening...
Sikh students allowed to wear ceremonial dagger to school | swns.com

One such immigrant from Poland just 10 years in Canada got his protected carry permit as I did in 1980, but for trapping....although since his reason for carrying was for properly dispatching trapped animals, his permit was for a .22 cal only, while mine was for protection so my need and license was for .357 or .44 .


Firstly, that was Bedford, Mass., not Canada. If one is allowed to own and carry a gun in that state, why would they not be allowed a cermonial dagger. Secondly, one is eligible to become a citizen after living in Canada 3 out of the previous 4 years. After 10 years that Polish immigrant was for all intents and purposes a Canadian.
 

DaSleeper

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Firstly, that was Bedford, Mass., not Canada. If one is allowed to own and carry a gun in that state, why would they not be allowed a cermonial dagger. Secondly, one is eligible to become a citizen after living in Canada 3 out of the previous 4 years. After 10 years that Polish immigrant was for all intents and purposes a Canadian.

Sorry I was looking for this case...closer to your home....CBC News Indepth: Kirpan case
 

bluebyrd35

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Sorry I was looking for this case...closer to your home....CBC News Indepth: Kirpan case
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Ah...... but it, a Kirpan, must be plastic or sealed in it's sheath, so it cannot be used as a weapon. The alternative a miniature worn as a symbol on a chain around the neck. Both, seem to me a great solutions. However, as far as I know a gun is not permitted to be worn openly or even hidden, rendered inoperable. It is certainly NOT a religious object. There is an excellent reason for this. Simply waving such an article in someone's face, will permit abuse of power, as how does one tell if it is useable or not?? I am sure a bank teller or a convenience store cashier would be foolish to assume the firing pin was removed.
 

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Why are you assuming Europeans or even the average Russian wish to emmigrate here?? Most of Europe has better health and retirement plans that we do, even Greece. How many English, Welsh, Irish, German or Scotch immigrants have you come across recently?? Even our French speaking immigrants do not come from France but places like Taihiti. This is not because they are not admitted, it is because they are not interested in coming here. We would have to kidnap them!!

It is the poorer nations, like those from the middle eastern countries that want to come. There will be the same mixtures of beliefs, and personalities, characters as there has always been. Like the black Irish, Italian Mafia, a number of former Nazi's from Germany, Religious fanatics from all countries, we've had a few of all these immigrate here.

If you've been following the news, you might find some Greeks want to come here. I met an Irish plumber recently.

Kidnap people who want to come to Canada, give me a break. There's waiting list of a million or so. We can pick who we want. And we now need economic immigrants, not family class. Family class are duds, wherever they are from, especially Asia and Africa. Need people for low end jobs? Then pick Mexicans. Need engineers? Pick Germans. But for effective immigration, it has to be depoliticized, it has to be made a part of the ministry of Manpower and Immigration, so economics is prodominant.

. Ottawa takes aim at immigrant waiting lists a million names long - The Globe and Mail
 

bluebyrd35

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LOL "If you've been following the news, you might find some Greeks want to come here."

Why?? Their retirement age has been 53 years, I believe it will go up to 61. Geez, they are talking here about raising it to 67 to 70 and even at that, many persons I talk to feel they will never be able to retire.....guess where..... in Canada!!
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I met an Irish plumber recently.

A really rare occurance ....right?? How long has he been in Canada?? I have two engineers in the family. While they have been fairly consistently employed, many others have not.

As for leaving family behind, would you leave yours?? I don't say bring over grandparents until they can be supported but leaving one's wife and children behind?? Wives do work, and children go on to become economically viable citizens. Two out of the four pharmacists in our small town were Vietamese boat persons.

It seems to me having a department of immigration closely tied to manpower, is a good thing. At least immigration knows the shortages are. I suppose they could read it on the internet but by the time the shortage is acute,it is already a problem. Too many of those you feel are poor choices are willing to work. If the average Canadian,from a reasonably young country, consider it below them to work in service industry, how do you suppose those from older and very socially supportive ones, feel about it??

Inspite of your opinion, the ones with the best work ethics come from poorer countries, you know the ones!! Those of the middle east, Africa, Taihiti, etc. are the ones who will do the work.



It is becoming more and more difficult to find those without a decent education, who expect to get paid for it. Mexicans do not wish to immigrate here. They come here from early spring to late fall now, to work. They then go home with enough to give them a good life for the rest of the year.
 

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Here's the ivory tower on immigration, the first sentence is key.

We have to compete globally for people? Not at all. We have immigration and can control how many people that may enter the country. We can import huge numbers of people, no problem. Or far fewer The writer might mean smart, educated people, but he never states this. Quite an omission. Maybe everyone just knows what he means. Or he writes in code. I'll put him down as confused.

The biz profs must think Canada has given up its sovereignty because of the word global. We always seem to have to do so much to please the world. Gets irritating.


The critical importance of expanding transit now



Mobility is the key to stay competitive globally



Vancouver is in a global competition for people, jobs and investment.

Central to creating a competitive global city region is mobility and the efficiency with which people can move around the region both in terms of the dollar costs of movement and, especially, the time costs.

In such a global setting, creating an efficient, user friendly, cost-effective and sustainable public transit system is of critical importance.
Accordingly, building out our rapid transit system to service the rapidly growing municipalities in the northeast of the Metro Vancouver region and south of the Fraser River in Surrey is absolutely essential if we are to build a globally competitive urban region.

The recent decision by the TransLink Mayors' Council to fund the Evergreen Line and the additional transit lines in Surrey is thus to be applauded as a vital step to position our region to compete globally.

TransLink faces significant longterm financing issues which can be addressed in the near future.
However, the necessity of developing an efficient system through investment decisions today cannot wait for long-term sustainable
funding solutions which will doubtless involve a complex set of negotiations and agreements between TransLink, the province, the
Government of Canada, Metro Vancouver and its constituent municipalities.

The fortitude shown by the Mayors' Council in moving ahead quickly before long-term funding solutions are developed is laudable and deserves the support of all in our region.

With capital funding for system expansion now assured, we can now move forward to develop longer term and sustainable funding environments for TransLink and our region.

The decisiveness of the Mayors' Council allows the relevant governments to now move ahead to develop sustainable and robust funding models for TransLink which can support our region's future as a prosperous global business centre providing a high quality of life for all of its present and future residents.



Michael Goldberg is professor emeritus of the Sauder School of Business at the University of British Columbia.

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/critical+importance+expanding+transit/5565677/story.html
 

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LOL "If you've been following the news, you might find some Greeks want to come here."

Why?? Their retirement age has been 53 years, I believe it will go up to 61. Geez, they are talking here about raising it to 67 to 70 and even at that, many persons I talk to feel they will never be able to retire.....guess where..... in Canada!!
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I met an Irish plumber recently.

A really rare occurance ....right?? How long has he been in Canada?? I have two engineers in the family. While they have been fairly consistently employed, many others have not.

As for leaving family behind, would you leave yours?? I don't say bring over grandparents until they can be supported but leaving one's wife and children behind?? Wives do work, and children go on to become economically viable citizens. Two out of the four pharmacists in our small town were Vietamese boat persons.

It seems to me having a department of immigration closely tied to manpower, is a good thing. At least immigration knows the shortages are. I suppose they could read it on the internet but by the time the shortage is acute,it is already a problem. Too many of those you feel are poor choices are willing to work. If the average Canadian,from a reasonably young country, consider it below them to work in service industry, how do you suppose those from older and very socially supportive ones, feel about it??

Inspite of your opinion, the ones with the best work ethics come from poorer countries, you know the ones!! Those of the middle east, Africa, Taihiti, etc. are the ones who will do the work.



It is becoming more and more difficult to find those without a decent education, who expect to get paid for it. Mexicans do not wish to immigrate here. They come here from early spring to late fall now, to work. They then go home with enough to give them a good life for the rest of the year.

First of all, we are going to get educated people from the third world? Some perhaps, but then, why are we taking educated people from countries that need them more? And most immigrants are family class anyway, so they face a tough job market as the lack skills.

And, why do so many Mexicans seem to keep trying to get into the USA? They cross in massive numbers all year, the USA has even built a wall to try and stop them and numerous laws and it doesn't seem to be working. Okay, many Mexicans want to avoid a drug war, but they also want to get out of a third world country. I like them because they have no religious issues and seem willing to take the low ends jobs it is believed Canadians won't do. Which our slack EI system lets rural and Atlantic Canadians game the system.