Punjabi students in Canada launch campaign against dowry, feticide

[bluebyrd35]

I notice you have offered no links. That $10,000 is proposed and not fact for starters. As for the one billion spent in a year on immigration, how about the contributions made by those persons in a year or so?? As for those terrorists ..... Muslims in Canada number under .02% of the population, between 500,000 to 600,000. I wonder how many non-Muslims were then or are now so disenchanted with politics they want/ed to bomb buildings & cut off the heads of politicians?? doesn't mean they would follow through any more than those 100,000 Muslims would.

As for relaxing because you and others of your ilk want less foreigners to contend with, worrying me not at all. I will do fine, thank you. How about you and yours, can you do without medicare.....which the US is having a hard job supplying to even the children and the trend in both countries, to no company pensions?? One could run for office though and get a good pension that way LOL. Of course, you would run the risk of a good portion of the electorate wanting to sever head from body.

The post WW2 boom is over and has been since the late 40's. Where have you been? Even for the US who made and still gets a fair amount of their GNP from guns, weapons and wars, it is over. It has become a challenge to make money as few countries can afford to go to war now.

Yeah the price of a barrel of oil has come down but hey, have you notice the cost at the pump has risen?? Saw yesterday 1.35.9 a litre. But we have it good .....most of Europe pays about $11.00 plus a gallon.

 

[Kakato]

". Females in the Punjab, must at this point be rather rare and beating off the males with a stick, if that has been the practice for more than one generation.

No wonder they are so fu*ked up then,this sounds very painfull,no wonder they go after the guys instead.
An uncalloused hand and a nice gel based lubricant might be the ticket if these gals want to attract guys.

 

[bluebyrd35]

No wonder they are so fu*ked up then,this sounds very painfull,no wonder they go after the guys instead.
An uncalloused hand and a nice gel based lubricant might be the ticket if these gals want to attract guys.

Hoy!! you seemed to have gotten this backwards. The gals don't need to do anything but be female. It is the men who are competing for the few females.

 

[damngrumpy]

Do you really mean we should question the multicultural mosaic? That wonderful
feeling that we are all one within the boarders of Canada? Of course we knew this
when it all started, and we ignored it because the political correct crowd would not
like it one bit.
There is another story here though that we should consider. I have a number of
Punjabi friends and acquaintances. Some are old school won't deny that, but there
are two groups that come from that region of the world. The fundamentalists and
the Moderates.
The moderates are much more open to customs in this country and I would say that
most of this group is not prejudice at all, as many are married to people from other
cultures and racial groups. The fundamentalists are more concerned about the dowry
and control of their children It is really more about mixing religion and customs into
one package, that sometimes happens in both the Muslim groups and even fundamentalist
Christians.
This is also a generational thing. The parents and the grandparents cling to the old ways
and teach the children. The children grow up and go to institutions of higher learning and
their children really become Canadians and say to hell with everyone and do their own
thing, it is a cycle that almost every ethnic groups experiences.
I know of one case where this happened, not one daughter but two daughters married
Irish men and the parents said they would disown them only to have the girls say, OK.
Within a year everyone was a happy as they can be under the circumstances. I think all to
often we make much more out of this sort of thing than we need to as time takes care of it.

We can't force cultural change we merely drive it underground until people deal with it on
their own and reality takes it toll. The children move on and reform comes in its own time.
There are all kinds of examples, the Chinese, the Doukhobors, and others. Its not just an
Asian thing, Eastern Europeans, the British, the French, and other did the same. Now its
the Arabs and Punjabi's going through the experience.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

I notice you have offered no links. That $10,000 is proposed and not fact for starters. As for the one billion spent in a year on immigration, how about the contributions made by those persons in a year or so?? As for those terrorists ..... Muslims in Canada number under .02% of the population, between 500,000 to 600,000. I wonder how many non-Muslims were then or are now so disenchanted with politics they want/ed to bomb buildings & cut off the heads of politicians?? doesn't mean they would follow through any more than those 100,000 Muslims would.

As for relaxing because you and others of your ilk want less foreigners to contend with, worrying me not at all. I will do fine, thank you. How about you and yours, can you do without medicare.....which the US is having a hard job supplying to even the children and the trend in both countries, to no company pensions?? One could run for office though and get a good pension that way LOL. Of course, you would run the risk of a good portion of the electorate wanting to sever head from body.

The post WW2 boom is over and has been since the late 40's. Where have you been? Even for the US who made and still gets a fair amount of their GNP from guns, weapons and wars, it is over. It has become a challenge to make money as few countries can afford to go to war now.

Yeah the price of a barrel of oil has come down but hey, have you notice the cost at the pump has risen?? Saw yesterday 1.35.9 a litre. But we have it good .....most of Europe pays about $11.00 plus a gallon.

Look up ESL, the term didn't exist in the 1970s, it is fairly recent. And those classes cost money. Immigrants who came to Canada prior to the 1980s got no ESL classes, and about zero in govt support. They found a job, worked and became Canadian. The method was to attract individuals, who would very often marry a native born Canadian. This assimilation process is quite fast and quite effective.


Here it states the fed govt spends almost a $1 billion settling new immigrants each year, which is about $3500 per immigrant per year. That's in direct costs, so it's much more if medical, EI, welfare costs are in are included. Could be much cheaper. Expensive immigrants are improper immigrants.

http://www.metronews.ca/ottawa/comm...stions-about-the-future-of-immigration--page1



You can find here in 2007, an Environics poll found 12 per cent of Canadian Muslims - up to 119,000 people - could sympathize with a Toronto 18-type mass-casualty plot. The Toronto 19 planned to bomb parliament and the stock exchange, and also cut off the heads of politicians. These violently sympathizing anti-Canadian immigrants are improper immigrants.

Ten years later, what kind of ally is Canada?

 

[CDNBear]

Look up ESL, the term didn't exist in the 1970s, it is fairly recent. And those classes cost money. Immigrants who came to Canada prior to the 1980s got no ESL classes, and about zero in govt support. They found a job, worked and became Canadian. The method was to attract individuals, who would very often marry a native born Canadian. This assimilation process is quite fast and quite effective.

So you think inviting European immigration will not need ESL funding?

 

[bluebyrd35]

Oh yes those classes cost money. Did you know that many French speaking Canadians have begun to realize they are deliberately kept from learning one of the official Canadian languages?? On the other hand many immigrants come already knowing English to Quebec and then are integrated into the French schools.

I didn't see the cost in the link you posted but I did see this:-

"The department acknowledges that Canada has an “aging population,” that we are experiencing “fertility rates below replacement values,” and that Canada’s labour force is experiencing “slowing” growth. Aging baby boomers are creating a bulge in Canada’s retirement rates, which raises the question of who will be there to pay the taxes to cover the costs of their care."

In my opinion, it is essential that Canada not cut back on immigration but switch focus. Admitting more persons willing to work in the service industry rather than having it heavily favouring those holding degrees or professionals. We have too many such driving taxis and working at McDonald's because we are top heavy in these categories.

As for those violent Muslims, it is not easy to pass unnoticed in Canada. Anyone buying tons of fertilizers and not owning a farm stands out. The non-violent Muslims will also have their antennas active as well, not wishing to be lumped in the same category.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Oh yes those classes cost money. Did you know that many French speaking Canadians have begun to realize they are deliberately kept from learning one of the official Canadian languages?? On the other hand many immigrants come already knowing English to Quebec and then are integrated into the French schools.

I didn't see the cost in the link you posted but I did see this:-

"The department acknowledges that Canada has an “aging population,” that we are experiencing “fertility rates below replacement values,” and that Canada’s labour force is experiencing “slowing” growth. Aging baby boomers are creating a bulge in Canada’s retirement rates, which raises the question of who will be there to pay the taxes to cover the costs of their care."

In my opinion, it is essential that Canada not cut back on immigration but switch focus. Admitting more persons willing to work in the service industry rather than having it heavily favouring those holding degrees or professionals. We have too many such driving taxis and working at McDonald's because we are top heavy in these categories.

As for those violent Muslims, it is not easy to pass unnoticed in Canada. Anyone buying tons of fertilizers and not owning a farm stands out. The non-violent Muslims will also have their antennas active as well, not wishing to be lumped in the same category.

The article/link states the costs. It's in the media, it's true because it's in the fed govt budget. The media for some reason doesn't like to publicise these costs.

Quebecers may be learning English because they realize an independent Quebec will never happen and passively supporting it only gave separatist MPs fat pensions and a lower standard of living for themselves. And learning English might get them better jobs. Duh.

Remember, Montreal and St James street, was the financial centre of Canada until separatism came along in the 1960-70s. The big biz guys said nuts to this and went down the road to TO. The big biz boys were also cowards. Eaton's didn't have the balls to stand up to the PQ and keep their apostrophe and S and became Eaton. What could the PQ have done? Likely nothing, but we will never know.

Why take in any Muslim immigrants? There are millions of people who want to come to Canada who have zero sympathy towards those who wish to violently overthrow the govt. Who don't support sharia law, who believe in democracy and equality, and believe in a modern secular society. We owe Muslims nothing.

Less educated Latin Americans/Mexicans/Portuguese tend to go into service jobs. They can easily replace Muslims with no security issues at all. Problem solved.

 

[CDNBear]

Less educated Latin Americans/Mexicans/Portuguese tend to go into service jobs.

And they won't need ESL funding?

 

[bluebyrd35]

'Quote: Quebecers may be learning English because they realize an independent Quebec will never happen and passively supporting it only gave separatist MPs fat pensions and a lower standard of living for themselves. And learning English might get them better jobs. Duh.
...............
You have it wrong. French speaking Quebecers may want to learn English but the government does not allow it. They are virtually hostages. The poor buggers went from being ruled by the church to that of the government. The church ordered them to produce children and the government now tries to bribe them. Those who can afford it send their children to private schools outside of the Province.

As for not taking in Muslims, now that is rather short-sighted. Islam is growing. It is just common sense, to learn to understand them while treating them with respect. Used to see many Muslim women in full black outfits, nowadays, they may wear a head scarf, but then orthodox Jews also wear head scarfs. Next generation even that will have disappeared.

Have you thought at all about how to support all the old people retiring over the next few years??? The government is talking about raising the age of retirement to 70 or higher and even that only puts off for a year or two the shortages in the pension funds.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

'Quote: Quebecers may be learning English because they realize an independent Quebec will never happen and passively supporting it only gave separatist MPs fat pensions and a lower standard of living for themselves. And learning English might get them better jobs. Duh.
...............
You have it wrong. French speaking Quebecers may want to learn English but the government does not allow it. They are virtually hostages. The poor buggers went from being ruled by the church to that of the government. The church ordered them to produce children and the government now tries to bribe them. Those who can afford it send their children to private schools outside of the Province.

As for not taking in Muslims, now that is rather short-sighted. Islam is growing. It is just common sense, to learn to understand them while treating them with respect. Used to see many Muslim women in full black outfits, nowadays, they may wear a head scarf, but then orthodox Jews also wear head scarfs. Next generation even that will have disappeared.

Have you thought at all about how to support all the old people retiring over the next few years??? The government is talking about raising the age of retirement to 70 or higher and even that only puts off for a year or two the shortages in the pension funds.

Why bothering learning about religions? They are bunk, thus, a waste of resources. Ain't no great spirit in the sky or anywhere else.

Fact is, family class immigrants who make up the majority of our curent immigrants are making the problem worse, not better. They're sucking in resources, not creating them. We need real economic immigrants. It's a cottage industry worrying about the future these days. People are lving longer and working longer, those are facts too.

Yeah, Quebecers are being bribed with money from the rest of Canada with unfair equalisation payments.

 

[bluebyrd35]

How can one counter with facts logically, without knowing what another's beliefs are?? Changing anothers thinking by pointing out obvious discrepancies is the best manner, much better than going to war or cutting off contact. How do you feel about chopping off the heads of unbelievers?? Is it going to change your beliefs?? Nah!! In fact it will probably cause greater resentment & creates a much more vicious enemy.

As for immigrants sucking up resources, good lord, at least they contribute from the second year on, not like old retirees, and the handicapped, and the mentally ill. Should we be euthanizing those or send them back to their country of origin?? Remember, only the Innuit and the Indians are the true native Canadians.

As for those unfair equalization payments.....Where was Canada when the rights re language and schooling were taken from French & English alike?? All those English & French Canadians who turned tail and ran or stood by, during that time should be making retribution payments, in my opinion. That is what happens when appeasing bigots and fanatics. So, going to extremes doesn't work. Cutting people of a certain religion out of a society or kowtowing to them will cause problems.

Accept the immigrants that are likely to make a contribution to our society, and make them understand that they are free to practice whatever religion they wish to on their own time, and in private. The opposite side of the coin, must be enforced as well. Other religious denominations must also follow those rules. That includes stopping all the moaning some do about lack of prayers in schools or other public places.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

How can one counter with facts logically, without knowing what another's beliefs are?? Changing anothers thinking by pointing out obvious discrepancies is the best manner, much better than going to war or cutting off contact. How do you feel about chopping off the heads of unbelievers?? Is it going to change your beliefs?? Nah!! In fact it will probably cause greater resentment & creates a much more vicious enemy.

As for immigrants sucking up resources, good lord, at least they contribute from the second year on, not like old retirees, and the handicapped, and the mentally ill. Should we be euthanizing those or send them back to their country of origin?? Remember, only the Innuit and the Indians are the true native Canadians.

As for those unfair equalization payments.....Where was Canada when the rights re language and schooling were taken from French & English alike?? All those English & French Canadians who turned tail and ran or stood by, during that time should be making retribution payments, in my opinion. That is what happens when appeasing bigots and fanatics. So, going to extremes doesn't work. Cutting people of a certain religion out of a society or kowtowing to them will cause problems.

Accept the immigrants that are likely to make a contribution to our society, and make them understand that they are free to practice whatever religion they wish to on their own time, and in private. The opposite side of the coin, must be enforced as well. Other religious denominations must also follow those rules. That includes stopping all the moaning some do about lack of prayers in schools or other public places.

Right, a person's religion ought to be private, people can worship privately no problem, but they can't bring their beliefs into the public political arena like schools. We need a society built on facts, not. "Capital punishment is acceptable because it lets g/God decide on his soul." That's no way to run a country. It's medieval like Afhganistan.

We simply have underperforming immigrants because the immigration system has been politcized. There is no longer an economic argument for immigrants of the family class which make up most of them. Immigrants who come here have to know the score, like knowing English for one, which they did decades ago, but then most came from Western Europe and had a far better understanding of Canada because they were Europeans like us. Now, multiculturalism demands non-European immigrants. But on the other hand, Asians came to Canada prior to 1980 and survived without govt support like Europeans. We just have a bad mix at present, making little Asian villages in Canada that inhibit assismilation and understanding of the country.

I'm a native Canadian, I have no other homeland. Do you have another homeland?

Quebec already has a greater voting weight in Parliament than BC, and they get more than their share of equalization money too? Unfair. Need a fix here.

 

[TenPenny]

Right, a person's religion ought to be private, people can worship privately no problem, but they can't bring their beliefs into the public political arena like schools. We need a society built on facts, not. "Capital punishment is acceptable because it lets g/God decide on his soul." That's no way to run a country. It's medieval like Afhganistan.

So, with that in mind, we should not have official holidays at Christmas or Easter, and Sunday should not be a special day.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

So, with that in mind, we should not have official holidays at Christmas or Easter, and Sunday should not be a special day.

No no no, we keep the good stuff like holidays which we need anyway. We're not French revolutionaries, wishing to change the names of the days of the week.

 

[CDNBear]

How can one counter with facts logically, without knowing what another's beliefs are??

Dumpster doesn't counter with facts logically, because he has no idea about what he speaks, period.

We need a society built on facts, not.

That's why people like you, have no constructive value in socio-political policy.

You base nothing on fact.

underperforming

politcized.

assismilation

For someone that is constantly smack talking about ESL and First Nations being uneducated. You sure do need some ESL, and this is being pointed out by a member of the First Nations.

I love irony.

No no no, we keep the good stuff like holidays which we need anyway.

You have to love that logical inconsistency.

 

[bluebyrd35]

Yes of course Quebec has more voting weight than BC, after all we are the second most heavily populated Province in Canada. Our population here was first controlled by the church and then later, through language and the separatist government. Immigration has changed the face of Quebec!! Immigrants were always integrated into the English school system & community until the passage of bill 101, the purpose of which was to increase the French speaking population which was falling drastically. This decline was caused by the revolution in communications and availability of birth control. Oh and those immigrants have had the reverse effect.......Quebecers are outwardly focused and more cosmopolitan than the rest of Canada, now. What a change!!

Multiculturalism has nothing to do with why we are admitting more Asians and Eastern immigrants. Europeans have good economies and a good standard of living, in many cases the social programs are better than North America. Why would they want to emmigrate?? Asians and Eastern societies are where the Europeans were, when they were our main import. Fanatics are spawned from all societies, religions or politics and of course one or two such individuals will surface from time to time. This has not changed.

I was born in Canada, and the sole claim to American Indian ancestry is remote and on the maternal side.

 

[VanIsle]

the sole claim to American Indian ancestry is remote and on the maternal side.
You base this statement on???

 

[bluebyrd35]

the sole claim to American Indian ancestry is remote and on the maternal side.
You base this statement on???

My family history. My mother's great great great grandmother was an American Indian.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Yes of course Quebec has more voting weight than BC, after all we are the second most heavily populated Province in Canada. Our population here was first controlled by the church and then later, through language and the separatist government. Immigration has changed the face of Quebec!! Immigrants were always integrated into the English school system & community until the passage of bill 101, the purpose of which was to increase the French speaking population which was falling drastically. This decline was caused by the revolution in communications and availability of birth control. Oh and those immigrants have had the reverse effect.......Quebecers are outwardly focused and more cosmopolitan than the rest of Canada, now. What a change!!

Multiculturalism has nothing to do with why we are admitting more Asians and Eastern immigrants. Europeans have good economies and a good standard of living, in many cases the social programs are better than North America. Why would they want to emmigrate?? Asians and Eastern societies are where the Europeans were, when they were our main import. Fanatics are spawned from all societies, religions or politics and of course one or two such individuals will surface from time to time. This has not changed.

I was born in Canada, and the sole claim to American Indian ancestry is remote and on the maternal side.

Europe, including Russia, has near 1 billion people, there could easily be enough Europeans to fill our immigrant quotas. Not all of Europe boomed after WW2, and most have the skills to get jobs in Canada.

Have you ever seen some of the bleak cities in Britain? Rows of houses and no trees, desolate looking. We could get 50,000 immigrants per year from Britain tomorrow.

How's the economy in Ukraine? Not so great, but 50 million live there, we could take 25,000 from there per year no problem. Or Italy, another 60 million people, and 35,000 per year won't want to live in Canada? Hard to believe. Then there's Romania, Spain, Slovakia, France etc.