Public Flogging in Iran

karrie

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Incredible,you are defending public flogging. I suppose then that genital mutilation is OK ,as well as stonings and beheadings. I guess if the guy next door is cornholing his 5 year old son ,that's OK too,as long as he isn't touching your kids.

well, there is SOMEthing to the point smilingfish is making.

They flog people and we find it appalling
Texans hand out the death penalty, and I find that appalling
We lock people up in prisons and are happy when they are raped and beaten, and many find that appalling
You mention genital mutilation, which most people find appalling.
Yet North America still practises routine, unnecessary male genital modification... I find that appalling.

I think smilingfish's point is a good one. While it's not excusable behavior, is it any worse than anything we do? Do we have a right to judge?
 

karrie

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I'll do a little investigation when I have the time to determine for my own interest whether or not the offending member is up to that or not. If you wish to be informed of my findings let me know. It's quite common practice with many forums to demand that. If you don't approve of the idea then just forget it.

I've been on this forum a long time now Morris. And I'm trying to tell you, this is not 'trolling' behavior on Toro's part. This is a common posting pattern for many members.

Each member profile has the option in a menu on it for you to look at the threads that poster has started. Take a look through most member's posts. The large majority do NOT include their viewpoint with their OP.

It's the way it's done here, and I'm simply trying to tell you that critiquing it and calling it poor behavior is essentially insulting the entire forum membership, which is unfortunate.
 

Morris C

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Docdred- To put it briefly, because I have no desire to belabour the point especially with your ilk:

Corporal punishment in public view doesn't come even close to the human rights abuses committed by the land of the gun when they execute people, including those who were mere children, for some crimes. AI has something to say about that too. You appear to be too shallow minded to understand that you are only condoning the practices of your country and not practices of other countries because you are biased toward your own country. If I accomplish anything on this forum I hope it is to illustrate to people like you that you reallly have no interest in people in the least.
 

wallyj

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Well thank you unforgiven! And as I said, if it's not in the rules to express an opinion in an opening post then it should be. After all, a person should at least give others an idea on where he/she stands on the issue. I would call it trolling if he/she didn't because that's what trolling really is all about isn't it.


I hope that gives some of the people here an idea of who I am for a start.
I think we have an idea.
 

Morris C

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I've been on this forum a long time now Morris. And I'm trying to tell you, this is not 'trolling' behavior on Toro's part. This is a common posting pattern for many members.

Each member profile has the option in a menu on it for you to look at the threads that poster has started. Take a look through most member's posts. The large majority do NOT include their viewpoint with their OP.

It's the way it's done here, and I'm simply trying to tell you that critiquing it and calling it poor behavior is essentially insulting the entire forum membership, which is unfortunate.

Unfortunately you have a bone in your teeth and are now not paying attention. I'm simply saying that to give one's POV in the OP is good practice and is demanded by many other forums. If you don't like the idea then forget it because I am not going to continue to accomodate yourdevelooping agenda any more.

Haha, and you thought that I would be ignored! I'm getting more business than I can handle at the moment right now. Albeit mostly all inane nonsense and totally off topic. Doesn't this forum have anyh rules against that??? Now let's just forget and reject my idea and get back to the topic before we cause any more disruptions.
 

Toro

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I think smilingfish's point is a good one. While it's not excusable behavior, is it any worse than anything we do? Do we have a right to judge?

Yes we do have the right to judge.

Since when did human rights and decency have borders?

Simply because bad things happen here does not mean we should not bring public bad things that happen elsewhere?

If that is the standard by which we hold, what right to you have to judge anybody for anything.

To say we don't have a right to judge is a morally bankrupt argument because there are no universal standards of morality. Nazi's gassing Jews? Who cares? Whites lynching blacks? Not my problem. Americans killing Iraqis? Guess Canadians have no right to judge.
 

wallyj

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well, there is SOMEthing to the point smilingfish is making.

They flog people and we find it appalling
Texans hand out the death penalty, and I find that appalling
We lock people up in prisons and are happy when they are raped and beaten, and many find that appalling
You mention genital mutilation, which most people find appalling.
Yet North America still practises routine, unnecessary male genital modification... I find that appalling.

I think smilingfish's point is a good one. While it's not excusable behavior, is it any worse than anything we do? Do we have a right to judge?
Yes,there is something to his point. Public flogging is only one of the barbaric practices in thier culture. I can accept that and quite frankl;y there is a few people that in our country deserve it.But,to suggest that we turn a blind eye to the other barbaric practices ,stoning,beheading,and the complete subjugation of females under the pretext of not judging others by our standards is appalling(with 2 p's).
 

wallyj

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Yet North America still practises routine, unnecessary male genital modification... I find that appalling. Are we talking circumcision or implants? Circumcision was orignally thought to improve hygiene,not to discourage pleasure, and is slowly being dicontinued as we learn to clean better. And I think my little fella enjoys being able to look around when I take him out,rather than waiting for me to pull down his hood.
 
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In my culture, it is common for a girl of 16 to marry, and usually to marry an older man. Girls of the appalachians are trained in homemaking from a very early age. Mothers pass on to thier daughters what the job of wife entails and the girls go willingly into it at such an early age. It doesnt happen often anymore, but in my generation and those previous to mine, it is commonplace.

So if the girl is culturally aclimated, is it immoral? If you grow up expecting certain things to happen, and you prepare for them, does it matter that another culture disagrees?

I think the important element here is choice. If you have chosen a country and a religion that say if you consume alcohol and have extramarital sex you will be flogged, then I personally don't think we westerners should have anything to say about it. After all, it's not like they flogged him for eating rice on tuesday instead of friday. He had the option to not do the things he did.

I have an issue with female circumcision because it involves a permanent physical change before the child is old enough to make a decision. Hypocritically, I have none of that issue about males. But it is my understanding that female circumcision leaves the person impotent, whereas male does not.

Anyway, I lean toward the "let them do thier thing" side most of the time. Canada may be a multicultural country but it really has little tolerance for non-western cultures even in her aboriginal peoples.
 

Morris C

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Oh my goodness - errr Morris is it? If, as you say, you're an old hat with 'forums like this' then I'm quite surprised that you don't know posts that patronize a community in general before even getting to know the individuals that make up that community is not likely to be perceived as anything but... well, trollish. :lol:

We welcome all people here, and would like to welcome you too - but we're not interested in having a complete strange wander into our midst and verbally peer down his nose at the forum, nor it's members.

As Karrie said, why don't you make your way over to the intro thread, share some stuff about yourself and allow us to get to know you a bit. You could also wander the threads a bit and check out the different posting styles of the membership, and perhaps engage someone you find interesting in discussion. It's a big place, I'm sure you'll find something to your liking if you go looking for just that.

Well golly gee, errrrr Zan is it? Thanks again for the welcome. IF I can say anything positive for this forum so far it's that you people certainly do welcome others repeatedly! I'm beginning to wonder what thta's all about! If you think I'm peering down my nose at you then that's your unfortunate misconception. However I would admit that I am peering down my nose at a few assorted individuals on this forum already. I'll just pass on the suggestions of checking out the posting styles of others though if it's all the same with you. I trust it is.
 

Morris C

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Folks, and assorted mods: Many forums also insist that complaints and bickering of the sort that is going on here is conducted in public as opposed to interrupting the continuity of threads. Any opinion on that? It's just that it seems to me that some people are deliberately prolonging this bickering over nothing and it's all because I made a criticism regarding some people not stating a position in their OP. Go figure!
 
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Incredible,you are defending public flogging. I suppose then that genital mutilation is OK ,as well as stonings and beheadings. I guess if the guy next door is cornholing his 5 year old son ,that's OK too,as long as he isn't touching your kids.

ROFLMAO...dude i love you.....i mean really have me screaming in here....
 

shadowshiv

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Ever watch our televangalists? It's a good thing our laws prevent this sort of thing because they would be enforcing morality in a heartbeat if given half a chance.

Robert Tilton and his Vow......of Faith!8O
 

karrie

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Yes we do have the right to judge.

I guess when I think of the term 'judge' I think of making the decision that 'we're good, you're bad'.

It bears with it (to me) a conotation of superiority.

While there are a lot of things I would condemn, discourage, or speak out against, judging another culture bears a much more sanctimonious conotation. But then, that may just be my perceptions of it.