Proportional Representation is Bull Sh*t!

[JLM]

The losers want it, the winners are happy with the Status Quo! Looking at it another way take your job which may be made up of a crew of 20 people. Do you want one guy to be the boss or do you want the whole crew taking turns at it? Right away you can see problems with assigning responsibility and accountability. Rule of thumb - the majority of the time, Simple is best! Don't f**k with a system that has worked for years.

 

[Durry]

Socialists like Prop Rep

 

[MHz]

The losers want it, the winners are happy with the Status Quo! Looking at it another way take your job which may be made up of a crew of 20 people. Do you want one guy to be the boss or do you want the whole crew taking turns at it? Right away you can see problems with assigning responsibility and accountability. Rule of thumb - the majority of the time, Simple is best! Don't f**k with a system that has worked for years.

'Worked properly for everyone' is not the same as the term you used. When 3% gains and 97% lose and the report is from somebody belonging to the 3% it will say the program is working.


In real world terms how many letters from South Africans did it take to get world attention and the validity of the letters was taken at face value like the 'incubator story' in the PR for Gulf War I. 700,000 similar letters could have been written by people chased from theory home by Jews as they invaded the the land gifted to them by the Rothschild bankers, 60 years later the story is out and nobody gives a shit because of who is backing the play.

 

[OpposingDigit]

If a group of people who gained only 37 percent of the votes/ballots cast can rule as a majority, there is something wrong with the system.

 

[JLM]

If a group of people who gained only 37 percent of the votes/ballots cast can rule as a majority, there is something wrong with the system.

Not if the next group only got 36%.

 

[pgs]

Not if the next group only got 36%.

And a bunch more get progressively less . Yup let’s let those who got less have the final say . Good idea .

 

[Mowich]

Not if the next group only got 36%.

FPTP for me, JLM - just filled out my ballot and putting it in the mail today.

 

[Hoid]

proportional rep is the system that is actually going to elect nazis and other extremist candidates just as it has everywhere it has been tried.

it is a delicious irony that the nazis and other extremists are too stupid and too conditioned to be anti-everything that they don't understand this.

 

[pgs]

FPTP for me, JLM - just filled out my ballot and putting it in the mail today.

Have yet to get mine , will only vote FPTP and will not even rate the other three .

 

[OpposingDigit]

"A form of proportional representation has been used in Belgium since 1899. Besides Belgium, Italy and Israel, some form of PR is used in Australia, Austria, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Greece, Iceland, Hungary, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Scotland, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Venezuela and many other countries around the world.

The only major developed countries clinging to the first-past-the-post system are: Canada, the U.S., Great Britain, and India.

Federally in Canada there has been only one government elected since 1960 with a simple majority of the votes cast. One government in almost a half-century!! Provincially, you have to go back to 1937 to find a true majority government. In 1987, the Ontario Liberals won 73 percent of the seats with just 47 percent of the votes. In 1990, the New Democratic Party won 57 percent of the seats with just 38 percent of the votes.

In the elections in Quebec in 1998, British Columbia in 1996, and Saskatchewan in 1986, the Party which won a majority of seats placed second in the electoral vote. How democratic is that?

Because "democracy" is best defined as "majority rule," this illustrates why our system is undemocratic.

Mixed Member Proportional representation MMP system seems to be the way to go."
https://www.fairvote.ca/mixed-member-proportional
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed-member_proportional_representation

 

[Hoid]

it will allow those candidates that are too extreme to get party nominations to compete on an even playing field.

 

[Bar Sinister]

The losers want it, the winners are happy with the Status Quo! Looking at it another way take your job which may be made up of a crew of 20 people. Do you want one guy to be the boss or do you want the whole crew taking turns at it? Right away you can see problems with assigning responsibility and accountability. Rule of thumb - the majority of the time, Simple is best! Don't f**k with a system that has worked for years.

Apparently you don't understand that democracy is not about someone being boss; it is about allowing the people to be the boss of those they elect. But have it your way. The current system in Canada allows the Liberals to get elected 2 years out of every 3 and allowed that party to dominate the 20th Century.

 

[JLM]

Apparently you don't understand that democracy is not about someone being boss; it is about allowing the people to be the boss of those they elect. But have it your way. The current system in Canada allows the Liberals to get elected 2 years out of every 3 and allowed that party to dominate the 20th Century.

And it would be better if the Conservatives were elected 2 years out of every 3?

 

[pgs]

"A form of proportional representation has been used in Belgium since 1899. Besides Belgium, Italy and Israel, some form of PR is used in Australia, Austria, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Greece, Iceland, Hungary, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Scotland, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Venezuela and many other countries around the world.

The only major developed countries clinging to the first-past-the-post system are: Canada, the U.S., Great Britain, and India.

Federally in Canada there has been only one government elected since 1960 with a simple majority of the votes cast. One government in almost a half-century!! Provincially, you have to go back to 1937 to find a true majority government. In 1987, the Ontario Liberals won 73 percent of the seats with just 47 percent of the votes. In 1990, the New Democratic Party won 57 percent of the seats with just 38 percent of the votes.

In the elections in Quebec in 1998, British Columbia in 1996, and Saskatchewan in 1986, the Party which won a majority of seats placed second in the electoral vote. How democratic is that?

Because "democracy" is best defined as "majority rule," this illustrates why our system is undemocratic.

Mixed Member Proportional representation MMP system seems to be the way to go."
https://www.fairvote.ca/mixed-member-proportional
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed-member_proportional_representation

Proportional representation was used in B. C. Up until Wacky Bennett got rid of it as unworkable . Funny that fact is being left out of the debate . I bet less then one in ten even know PR was used in B.C.

 

[Cliffy]

FPTP is nice if you like dictatorships by the 37%. PR will force political enemies to cooperate. I much prefer the abolition of the party system where all candidates are independents, like in Nunavut. Then there is no possibility of dictatorships of asshole parties that are bought and sold like the Liberals and Conservatives.

 

[pgs]

FPTP is nice if you like dictatorships by the 37%. PR will force political enemies to cooperate. I much prefer the abolition of the party system where all candidates are independents, like in Nunavut. Then there is no possibility of dictatorships of asshole parties that are bought and sold like the Liberals and Conservatives.

Good vote independent,it is your right .

 

[Hoid]

FPTP is nice if you like dictatorships by the 37%. PR will force political enemies to cooperate. I much prefer the abolition of the party system where all candidates are independents, like in Nunavut. Then there is no possibility of dictatorships of asshole parties that are bought and sold like the Liberals and Conservatives.

you are going to get way more extremists in government and they will hold far more power.

look at Germany and the nazis right now today.

you have to go into the thing with your eyes open.

 

[Bar Sinister]

And it would be better if the Conservatives were elected 2 years out of every 3?

Just pointing out to a conservative that the present undemocratic system does not work in his favour. But to answer your question, no - we have copied enough failed American policies already.

 

[Cliffy]

you are going to get way more extremists in government and they will hold far more power.

look at Germany and the nazis right now today.

you have to go into the thing with your eyes open.

You have succumbed to the BC Liberal fear propaganda. I have seen them and they are stupid.

 

[Ron in Regina]

FPTP is nice if you like dictatorships by the 37%. PR will force political enemies to cooperate. I much prefer the abolition of the party system where all candidates are independents, like in Nunavut. Then there is no possibility of dictatorships of asshole parties that are bought and sold like the Liberals and Conservatives.