Privatize Canada Post Parcel Delivery

[Chev]

“CalgaryFred
I wish a CP parcel delivery person would add their input to this conversation.”
Can’t help what goes on in Calgary, but am going to ask ‘our’ drivers in Edmonton what they do and how long they wait at doors of homes… I do know that some days they have hundreds of parcels to deliver and don’t have ‘all day’ to wait for someone to come to the door of a home/townhouse/apartment. The drivers have 8 hour shifts and have to do all they can in those hours.
Excuse me but as I said before: "If you don't like Canada Post, you are more than welcome to go to UPS or FedEx. Actually, maybe we would prefer if you did."

“CalgaryFred
I wish a CP parcel delivery person would add their input to this conversation.”
Can’t help what goes on in Calgary, but am going to ask ‘our’ drivers in Edmonton what they do and how long they wait at doors of homes… I do know that some days they have hundreds of parcels to deliver and don’t have ‘all day’ to wait for someone to come to the door of a home/townhouse/apartment. The drivers have 8 hour shifts and have to do all they can in those hours.
Excuse me but as I said before: "If you don't like Canada Post, you are more than welcome to go to UPS or FedEx. Actually, maybe we would prefer if you did."

Yes, I work at a Canada Post RETAIL OUTLET...

 

[Liberalman]

Yes, I work at a Canada Post RETAIL OUTLET...

A real post office or the drug store one?

 

[jjaycee98]

Loomis?

LOOMIS-they have been out of Business for nearly 10 years-bought out by DHL-where have you been?

 

[weaselwords]

Fred it's not Canada Post thats's the bugaboo here it's your shipper. If they are not willing to pay the the buck & a half for a delivery signature or not shipping COD it's not necessary for CP to knock on your door. You get the service you pay for.

 

[Liberalman]

Canada Post willo strike in the next few weeks because of rollbacks so you will have the opportunity to try out the other companies delivery services so open your money bags because you will pay through the nose

 

[eh1eh]

Lots of interesting replies. Thanks. I should clarify. I think that the parcel delivery service of Canada Post should be privatized, not the letter regular service. I see a national-unity need for continuing letter delivery to every address in the country.
CP parcel carriers will drop off a notice in my mail box but they never knock on my door. I work from home, my desk is 16 feet from the door, I even hear when someone knocks on my neighbour's door (I live in a townhouse); it is not the case that I do not hear them.
Private couriers always knock and I always hear them.
I complained many times years ago and nothing improved. I gave up.
Yesterday, I experienced another no-knock notice dropoff, and I just blew my top. I ranted and said a few things that I am not proud of -- I am not anti-union; I worked in a unionized workplace for 12 years and I know the tricks that we were taught by other unionized employees in order to make more work hours for ourselves, so I wonder whether this no-knock practice is an attempt to require two notice drop off trips for each package.
Private couriers always knock and I always hear them. I have never had to go down to UPS or FedEX to get my parcels; they even re-deliver; CP does not! I always have to go down to the drug store to get my CP parcels.
Maybe union protection has gone too far and the pendulum has to swing a little the other way. Or, maybe the reason for parcel carriers not knocking lies elsewhere. I wish a CP parcel delivery person would add their input to this conversation.

Canada Post parcel delivery is already privatized and has been for over 20 years. You have no clue of what you speak. If your guy doesn't knock it's because he is a dick and/or lazy and just wants to dump his packages at the local RPO, (retail postal outlet ). Oh, BTW, they are not unionized. I know this because I sub contract some of my 5-ton trucks to one of the companies that does package delivery in the Oshawa , ON area. This company also has contracts for many other cities in S. Ontario.

Close enough?

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[TenPenny]

Canada Post Parcel Delivery should be privatized. That is the only way that users of the service will get proper service. Currently, the unionized, coddled, anti-service employees are not interested in doing their jobs, so they should not have them. Cut their salaries by half, and get some people in there who value having a job and who take pride in doing their job well.
Let the free market set the postal rates for parcel delivery.
UPS, FedEx, or other large courier companies could bid to take over the parcel service and vastly improve the service for Canadians.
I look forward to your comments.
Thank you.

You do realize that Canada Post owns Purolator, don't you?

 

[Chev]

A real post office or the drug store one?

Canada Post RETAIL OUTLET are in stores. and it is still a 'real' post office.

Canada Post parcel delivery is already privatized and has been for over 20 years. You have no clue of what you speak. If your guy doesn't knock it's because he is a dick and/or lazy and just wants to dump his packages at the local RPO, (retail postal outlet ). Oh, BTW, they are not unionized. I know this because I sub contract some of my 5-ton trucks to one of the companies that does package delivery in the Oshawa , ON area. This company also has contracts for many other cities in S. Ontario.

Close enough?

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Canada Post parcel delivery drivers are employed by Canada Post and yes they are union. And I know this because I work with these drivers every day.

 

[Liberalman]

Canada Post RETAIL OUTLET are in stores. and it is still a 'real' post office.

Canada Post retail outlet in stores is franchises like Shoppers Drug Mart. There are the corporate ones as well.

The franchise post offices, which is semi private, are making the real money like paying their employees minimum wage and they are not passing they’re saving to the customer.

Privatization does not mean cheaper rates just because profits go to the business owner or shareholders.

Privatization does not mean better service more like cut in service.

 

[petros]

Some people's kids just have no clue at all.

 

[Omicron]

Canada Post Parcel Delivery should be privatized. That is the only way that users of the service will get proper service.

In the US they privatized their postal service, and it got so bad they're starting to talk about turning it back into a public service.

Currently, the unionized, coddled, anti-service employees are not interested in doing their jobs, so they should not have them. Cut their salaries by half, and get some people in there who value having a job and who take pride in doing their job well.

Oh fer sure, that's a totally excellent way to make people want to deliver a good service and take pride in their work: cut their salary in half.

Let the free market set the postal rates for parcel delivery.

It already has. The competition is Fedex and Purolater, and the results are that it's more expensive to ship that way.

UPS, FedEx, or other large courier companies could bid to take over the parcel service and vastly improve the service for Canadians.
I look forward to your comments.
Thank you.

All services fall into one of two categories: Those where the provider makes more money by improving the service, and those where the provider makes more money by cutting the service.

For example, restaurants make more money by serving better food. Car manufacturers make more money by delivering better cars.

Hospitals, on the other hand, make less money by delivering good health care. For them, it's better on their profit margins when they can deliver as little care as possible for the money being paid.

The common-sense thing for national leaders to do is stand back, take a look at each service, determine if it's the type that delivers more-and-better when motivated by the profit incentive, or if it's the type where shareholders get more dividends by shaving quality-and-quantity of service.

It's just as stupid to concentrate everything in the hands of the private sector as it is to concentrate it all in the public sector.

 

[eh1eh]

You do realize that Canada Post owns Purolator, don't you?

Thin on reality in this thread. lulz.


Oh, edit, Omicron, you are making sense.

 

[coldstream]

Unions had their place. It's a good thing that they where formed & accomplished what they did.
We now already have 40 hr. work weeks, safe working conditions, fair wages, etc...so what're
they doing now? What role do (& are) they playing currently?

IWhat role do (& are) they playing currently?

Without a doubt, the loss of unions will see a reversion to the basest form of worker exploitation. Unions have already been decimated by Free Trade. You see now a concerted agenda to pass 'freedom to work' laws in the U.S. the will eliminate unions as a political voice for fair labour laws.

It will create a situation where workers will be forced in competition with each other, which corporations will use to create a desperate, captive labour pool, willing to work for subsistence wages... exactly as they have done in the international arena with the establishment of maquilladoras (Free Trade Zones). You have to realize that the Global Investment is utterly AMORAL, it is viciously predatory. And its into its jaws that our current neocon, libertarian paradigm is leading us.

Part of this CULT, is the privatization movement, which discredits all public ownership. In fact government should own ALL natural monopolies, as exist only in sectors with huge infrastructure costs that make replication and competition economically nonsensical. They exist in transportation, utilites, communications.. and should apply to natural resources as well.

 

[JLM]

Without a doubt, the loss of unions will see a reversion to the basest form of worker exploitation. Unions have already been decimated by Free Trade. You see now a concerted agenda to pass 'freedom to work' laws in the U.S. the will eliminate unions as a political voice for fair labour laws.

It will create a situation where workers will be forced in competition with each other, which corporations will use to create a desperate, captive labour pool, willing to work for subsistence wages... exactly as they have done in the international arena with the establishment of maquilladoras (Free Trade Zones). .

There are labour laws in place today looking after a lot of the sh*t Unions were involved in 100 years ago. You just can't send 9 year old kids down the mine anymore for 50 cents a week and 14 hour days. I never had problems with Union employees just the 5th level of bureaucracy that the Union exec comprises- I just resented the dues I contributed for their conventions at Harrison Hot Springs. Worker competition would sure be a terrible thing- who knows where that could lead? Maybe to a customer getting value for his dollar. :lol:

 

[Liberalman]

Unions are here to stay just because when
workers stand together they get more benefits and wages.

 

[JLM]

Unions are here to stay just because when
workers stand together they get more benefits and wages.

That's only good for so long and when the customer is strapped or p*ssed off, that pretty well puts the kibosh on that.

 

[Chev]

Canada Post retail outlet in stores is franchises like Shoppers Drug Mart. There are the corporate ones as well.

The franchise post offices, which is semi private, are making the real money like paying their employees minimum wage and they are not passing they’re saving to the customer.

Privatization does not mean cheaper rates just because profits go to the business owner or shareholders.

Privatization does not mean better service more like cut in service.

Canada Post sets the prices, all post offices (retail and your ‘real’ ones) have the same computer programs and prices. Business owners can not change prices. And (it’s not your business) but my co-workers and I, at a retail outlet, make more than minimum wage.
As far as privatization meaning a cut in services… all post offices (retail and your ‘real’ ones) sell the same products and services. For information sake, we have customers come to us because they don’t like how they’re treated and/or spoken to by clerks at your ‘real’ post offices. And we also have more ‘higher ups’ we have to answer to, such as Canada Post Business managers and the people who own the stores (drugstores or otherwise) where we are located.

Some people's kids just have no clue at all.

I assume you are speaking to me?

In the US they privatized their postal service, and it got so bad they're starting to talk about turning it back into a public service.

Oh fer sure, that's a totally excellent way to make people want to deliver a good service and take pride in their work: cut their salary in half.

It already has. The competition is Fedex and Purolater, and the results are that it's more expensive to ship that way.


All services fall into one of two categories: Those where the provider makes more money by improving the service, and those where the provider makes more money by cutting the service.

For example, restaurants make more money by serving better food. Car manufacturers make more money by delivering better cars.

Hospitals, on the other hand, make less money by delivering good health care. For them, it's better on their profit margins when they can deliver as little care as possible for the money being paid.

The common-sense thing for national leaders to do is stand back, take a look at each service, determine if it's the type that delivers more-and-better when motivated by the profit incentive, or if it's the type where shareholders get more dividends by shaving quality-and-quantity of service.

It's just as stupid to concentrate everything in the hands of the private sector as it is to concentrate it all in the public sector.

USPS is 'in the red' is it not? It cost $1.03 for me to send a letter to family in Oklahoma. Cost family there 0.75 to send a letter to me. A parcel from family in Oklahoma to me cost $10.89. I believe it would probably cost about twice a much for me to send it right back too them. Perhaps therein lies one of USPS biggest problems. Would you agree?

CalgaryFred I heard a complaint today from a lady who came to pick up a parcel and said the CP driver never knocked or rang the doorbell. When our manager commented on the time of day the delivery was attempted (10a.m.) the lady replied, I didn’t have my hearing aid in yet. I wonder how many people complain drivers don’t knock, when the people are in the shower/bathroom, taking out the garbage, in the basement, doing laundry, etc… Hmmm…
I watched one of 'our' drivers, yesterday, at a house across the street from me. He knocked and rang for 5 minutes, took the parcel back to his truck, sat there and filled out the delivery notice and went and put it in the mailbox. I realize some people have mobility issues.
How long do you expect the drivers to stand and knock and ring?

 

[JLM]

Canada Post sets the prices, all post offices (retail and your ‘real’ ones) have the same computer programs and prices. Business owners can not change prices. And (it’s not your business) but my co-workers and I, at a retail outlet, make more than minimum wage.
As far as privatization meaning a cut in services… all post offices (retail and your ‘real’ ones) sell the same products and services. For information sake, we have customers come to us because they don’t like how they’re treated and/or spoken to by clerks at your ‘real’ post offices. And we also have more ‘higher ups’ we have to answer to, such as Canada Post Business managers and the people who own the stores (drugstores or otherwise) where we are located.



I assume you are speaking to me?


USPS is 'in the red' is it not? It cost $1.03 for me to send a letter to family in Oklahoma. Cost family there 0.75 to send a letter to me. A parcel from family in Oklahoma to me cost $10.89. I believe it would probably cost about twice a much for me to send it right back too them. Perhaps therein lies one of USPS biggest problems. Would you agree?

CalgaryFred I heard a complaint today from a lady who came to pick up a parcel and said the CP driver never knocked or rang the doorbell. When our manager commented on the time of day the delivery was attempted (10a.m.) the lady replied, I didn’t have my hearing aid in yet. I wonder how many people complain drivers don’t knock, when the people are in the shower/bathroom, taking out the garbage, in the basement, doing laundry, etc… Hmmm…
I watched one of 'our' drivers, yesterday, at a house across the street from me. He knocked and rang for 5 minutes, took the parcel back to his truck, sat there and filled out the delivery notice and went and put it in the mailbox. I realize some people have mobility issues.
How long do you expect the drivers to stand and knock and ring?

Nothing worse that waiting for something like that and then have to run for a big sh*t.

 

[jjaycee98]

I know I have no idea what all the ramifications are but I know several times I've been quite chagrinned at having to pay over $6 to mail something the size of my thumb.

Have no idea what the current rates are but quite recently it was cheaper to ship by Greyhound and generally faster too.

This used to be true. Greyhound is only a Name now. It is not the original company, and rates have risen dramatically. I use prepaid packets that cost me $10.97 each. To send the same by regular frieght charges is twice that.

The item you say cost you $6 by parcel post would now be more money to send by any other means. The sad truth is that we; who were used to cheap Mail service, are just living in the past. Canada Post is now expected to make a profit for "we, the people", rather than being subsidized to the tune of millions of dollars.

To supply mail service to those in remote places, all fees have to be raised-given all those fuel costs and labour costs we are always complaining about. If we expect people to live in places like Fort Nelson and Fort Liard and Watson Lake and all the tiny communities in the North, so that they can keep sending NG, Oil and Minerals to those of us along the 49th to 53 parrallel, then we have to be willing to pay the price.

 

[Liberalman]

Canada Post sets the prices, all post offices (retail and your ‘real’ ones) have the same computer programs and prices. Business owners can not change prices. And (it’s not your business) but my co-workers and I, at a retail outlet, make more than minimum wage.
As far as privatization meaning a cut in services… all post offices (retail and your ‘real’ ones) sell the same products and services. For information sake, we have customers come to us because they don’t like how they’re treated and/or spoken to by clerks at your ‘real’ post offices. And we also have more ‘higher ups’ we have to answer to, such as Canada Post Business managers and the people who own the stores (drugstores or otherwise) where we are located.

Business owners can not change prices.

Some private post offices do

but my co-workers and I, at a retail outlet, make more than minimum wage

Private post office employees don’t make much over the minimum wage

we have customers come to us because they don’t like how they’re treated and/or spoken to by clerks at your ‘real’ post offices

In a private post office the retail clerks just are not held responsible as in a real post office.

Also in the private post office the concept of Security of the Mail is just not understood and that why they do not get paid well