Prisoners used for organ donation China

Colpy

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cortezzz said:
i have said that some of the stories would be true

i think it fair to suggest many others would be fabrication-- if its like many previous wars

the story circulating -- about Saddams troops entering a Kuwaiti hospital, unlpugging infant ICU beds then dragging them outside to die
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that was---- completely false---as is now admitted

just an example

of course-- many other stories regarding saddams abuses-- are clearly true

the point is there will be a mix of falsity and truth-- in these --- demonization type---stories

It is true the stories from Kuwait were propaganda, and I don't know who started them. But they were quickly debunked, and exposed as propaganda.

The organ "harvesting" story has been going on for years, supported by some very respected Chinese dissidents now in the west.......everything points to it being true.
 

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I think this article is true. China is a communist country and they do pretty much whatever they want.
 

Machjo

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JonB2004 said:
I think this article is true. China is a communist country and they do pretty much whatever they want.

Oh give me a break. China is the furthest thing from a communist country. Both Canada and the US are closer to communism than is China in an economic sense. God the ignorance of some people. I'm tired of repating it. It's a one party state. yes there are injustices. No I'm not a communist myself nor do I profess it. But I'll tell you right now I can buy most anything in this nation which you simply could never find in Canada.
 

Curiosity

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Regardless of the inhumanity of the Chinese regard for life.... the U.S. does not seem deterred and conducts a brisk trade with the nation....

http://today.reuters.com/business/n...RIDST_0_BUSINESSPRO-CHINA-USA-BUSINESS-DC.XML


China's Hu raises US business hopes, doubts remain
Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:11 AM ET

By Paul Eckert, Asia Correspondent

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Hu Jintao failed on Thursday to placate U.S. critics of China's trade surplus and currency policies, but some business leaders saw promise in his pledges to curb software piracy and boost domestic demand.

In talks with President George W. Bush, Hu offered a general assurance that China would continue reforms to make its exchange rate more flexible and repeated Beijing's stance it did not make a policy of running a trade surplus.

At a dinner hosted by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and other business groups, Hu said China would honor market-opening trade agreements, better protect intellectual property rights and "increase its imports from the United States," through policies to boost domestic demand.

Frank Vargo, vice president for international economic affairs at the National Association of Manufacturers, said his group was disappointed Hu did not show a greater appreciation of the problems caused by China's exchange rate regime.

"President Bush had made it plain that he placed a high priority on this, and from what we have seen so far, rather than scoring some points, China seems to have fumbled the ball," Vargo said.

Vargo's group has been vocal in demanding that China move to a market-oriented exchange rate, arguing Beijing keeps its currency artificially undervalued to hold down the prices of its exports, contributing to a U.S. trade deficit of $202 billion with China in 2005.

Sen. Max Baucus, a Montana Democrat who is co-sponsor with Iowa Republican Sen. Charles Grassley of proposed legislation that would force the Bush administration to get tough with China over currency, noted "tentative progress" in tackling trade disputes.

"I am disappointed, however, that President Hu did not today make specific commitments on how and when China will allow its currency to move to a more market-driven rate," he said.

'CONCRETE ACTION' NEEDED

Grassley, chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, which has jurisdiction over international trade, issued a statement welcoming Hu's recognition of U.S. trade concerns.

"Now we'll see what comes of those remarks. Good words need to be followed by concrete action," he said, warning that frustration in Congress would grow without movement.

Analysts said much of the progress linked to Hu's visit came last week at high-level trade talks that promised to reopen China's beef market to U.S. imports and in a big Chinese shopping delegation that signed more than 100 contracts with U.S. companies totaling some $16 billion.

Romeo Dator, a portfolio manager for San Antonio-based U.S. Global Investors Inc., said Hu's talk of boosting demand by building infrastructure struck a "positive tone."

"A lot of the industries that are here in the United States can help them build out their infrastructure," he said, adding that prospects looked good for companies that sell machinery to build highways and railroads.

Robert Holleyman, president of the Business Software Alliance, welcomed China's pledges to fight piracy, including commitments by leading computer makers to install legal software on personal computers before they leave the factory.

I am lost regarding ethics of economics and trade, but when I read the original article about prisoner's body parts being harvested...
and "brisk trade".... something doesn't click.

Was the "body parts" story placed perhaps to sabotage trading between the two countries... or are they related at all?
 

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Colpy said:
cortezzz said:
i have said that some of the stories would be true

i think it fair to suggest many others would be fabrication-- if its like many previous wars

the story circulating -- about Saddams troops entering a Kuwaiti hospital, unlpugging infant ICU beds then dragging them outside to die
---
that was---- completely false---as is now admitted

just an example

of course-- many other stories regarding saddams abuses-- are clearly true

the point is there will be a mix of falsity and truth-- in these --- demonization type---stories

It is true the stories from Kuwait were propaganda, and I don't know who started them. But they were quickly debunked, and exposed as propaganda.

The organ "harvesting" story has been going on for years, supported by some very respected Chinese dissidents now in the west.......everything points to it being true.

i think you are probably right about this
 

Curiosity

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Activist Dr. Wang - is exposing Falon Gong practices and finally the media are picking it up....this is as "old story" of a practice which has not gone away or tragically been stopped.

Apparently there are articles the past weeks in National Review, Washington Times and Washington Post....C-SPAN has been interviewing another Chinese Representative concerning Wang's challenge to Hu.... here's another link

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/74819

Concentration Camp for Falun Gong Disclosed; Prisoners Killed for Organ Harvesting
galway | rights and freedoms | other press Monday March 13, 2006 20:40 by Tommy Donnellan on behalf of Gerald O'Connor - Irish Falun Gong Information Centre gerald.oconnor3 at mail dot dcu dot ie 087 2789969 (Gerald O' Connor)
Nobody has yet come out, Chinese Government Insider Reveals.

Since the Nuremberg Trials came to a close in 1946, condemning the Nazi officials responsible for the Holocaust, it has been the common hope of the people in the world that concentration camps like Auschwitz, Buchenwald and Dachau, would never again emerge in the history of mankind. The horrifying fact is that a similar facility is at this very moment in operation in China.

The Irish Falun Gong Information Centre received shocking, detailed information on Wednesday from a Chinese Communist Party insider documenting a concentration camp set up in Shenyang city, Liaoning province, expressly for Falun Gong practitioners. The news comes on the heels of the U.S. Department of States 2005 Country Reports on Human Rights Practices, released Wednesday; the report documents continued, systematic abuses of the Falun Gong in China. (full report)

Information about the camp was relayed via audio recording from a former intelligence agent of the Chinese government. It is the first time news of the secret camps existence was disclosed to outsiders. The camp is said to hold over 6,000 Falun Gong adherents at any given time, and nobody has yet come out from it alive. According to the source, it contains a crematorium, and an unusually large number of doctors work there reflecting the camps practice of killing prisoners for their organs, which are then sold for profit.

The source tried to convey the horror of what is happening in the concentration camp: Why was a crematorium built, and why are so many doctors housed there? & The answer is something unimaginable. You must be clear that a cremator for bodies is different than a burner used for sanitation purposes.

Located in the Sujiatun district of Shenyang city, the camp, dubbed the Sujiatun Concentration Camp, is surrounded by walls three meters high topped with electrified barbed wire. It is heavily fortified and said to be highly secret; locals know close to nothing about it. Those held inside are Falun Gong adherents from China's three northeastern provinces as well as central China; many are said to have been transferred there from various labor camps. CCP authorities involved with the camp have learned many things from North Korea, according to the source.

This is deeply, terribly disturbing, and confirms our worst fears: that CCP authorities remain intent on eradicating Falun Gong, and in their desperation will go to any lengths,stated EFGIC spokesperson Mr. Gerald O'Connor. We need to be clear that the persecution has not gone away it has merely become darker and more hidden.

The Chinese government source spoke at length about the unlawful harvesting of organs in the Sujiatun facility. If Falun Dafa practitioners are sent to Sujiatun, he said, they have no chance of coming out & The CCP won't let a prisoner consume food forever. So what are they up to, then? & the Falun Dafa practitioners are killed for their organs, which are sent off to various medical facilities. Organ sales is now a highly profitable business in China.

They can't find enough bodies through executions, and no bodies are more readily available for this business than those of the [Falun Dafa] practitioners,he stated.

Warning signs have surfaced in recent months.

Last June CCP authorities reportedly held a crisis meeting in which China's deputy minister of Public Security, Liu Jing, was assigned the job of stamping out Falun Gong before the Olympic Games in 2008,according to the Paris-based Intelligence Online. Several reports have stated that authorities wish to use the Olympics as a pretext to deepen their assault on the Falun Gong.

This past January, Chinese officials similarly announced a new campaign that would supposedly sabotage activities of cult organizations as part of a complex struggle against enemies,according to a Reuters report. Past campaigns to strike hard have resulted in upwards of 10,000-plus executions in a single year, say human rights groups.

Word of concentration camps for Falun Gong practitioners has circulated for several years. An October 1, 2000, report by Agence France Presse told of two concentration camps having been recently built, both specifically for Falun Gong detainees. The camps were said to have been built in northwest and northeast China, and been capable of each holding up to 50,000 persons.

An October 6, 2000, report on Minghui.net stated that a concentration camp, expressly for the Falun Gong, had been built in the remote northwestern province of Xinjiang. Chinese sources report seeing Falun Gong adherents shipped off on trains to the Xinjiang camp. Little to no information on the secretive camp has emerged. No one to date is known to have come back from the camp.

Stated Mr. O'Connor, International media and governments around the world must pay attention to this and take active measures to investigate the concentration camp and put a stop to this barbarity and madness. We are calling for all possible support from international organizations. There must be accountability in China. If this is the price people are paying for our silence, it is chillingly tragic

Background
Falun Gong, also known as Falun Dafa (about), is a practice of the Buddha School, consisting of meditation and exercises, with teachings that emphasise living by three principles: truthfulness, compassion, and tolerance. Originating in China, Falun Gong is now practised in over 70 countries countries. With Chinese government estimates of 100 million China practising Falun Gong in China, in July 1999 the Chinese Communist Party-state launched a nationwide, violent campaign to eradicate the practice. The Irish Falun Gong Information Centre has verified details of 2,840 deaths and over 44,000 cases of torture (Reports / Sources). Millions have been detained or sent to forced labour camps.

FOR MORE DETAILS, PLEASE CONTACT THE IRISH FALUN GONG INFORMATION CENTRE - Gerald O'Connor 0872789969 Email: gerald.oconnor3@mail.dcu.ie