Prion Rogue Proteins Found In Unexpected Organs

[hayseed]

I know the feeling. "Stop the world I want to get off". But we can't.Your point "Messing with nature" is here to stay. Its called farming. Yet I agree, but my point is that feeding meat meal is not new but feeding artificial fat to increase milk yield beyond natural levels is. Junk food for cows-how mad is that? Mad Cow Mad perhaps? and the timing fits the British BSE epidemic. Total TSE's (CJD etc) are no greater in the UK than anywhere else. Suggesting that "the human form of CJD" is a subdivision and therefore the human risk from BSE is nil.Here in the UK eating bacon and eggs would not have helped, 90% of meat meal was fed to pigs and poultry. Being vegetarian would not have helped either. gardeners used meat and bone meal as fertilizer.

Thanks for that link, hayseed. It says grass fed animals are protected from getting Mad Cow disease.
Organically raised animals don't get it.

Both of these things say "messing with nature is a bad idea".

It also tells me that processing of foods is a bad idea. Its bad for human health to consume these foods, although we have been led to believe it is okay. There may be a conspiracy there - what a lot of business processed foods bring the doctors!!

"Let them eat grass so WE can eat them"

But the fact that meat is not the only CJD/BSE source is confusing me altogether. Like most people on most issues, I just want to bury my head in the sand. So tell us more, Hayseed.

Karlin

PS- I stopped eating meat "each and every day", and I am finding that I feel better physically. A slice of bacon with my eggs is about all the meat I eat now. If consumption went way down, the need to massproduce cows like we do would not be so urgent.They could all be raised organically, which is the safest and healthiest for us.

 

[hayseed]

I know the feeling. "Stop the world I want to get off". But we can't.Your point "Messing with nature" is here to stay. Its called farming. Yet I agree, but my point is that feeding meat meal is not new but feeding artificial fat to increase milk yield beyond natural levels is. Junk food for cows-how mad is that? Mad Cow Mad perhaps? and the timing fits the British BSE epidemic. Total TSE's (CJD etc) are no greater in the UK than anywhere else. Suggesting that "the human form of CJD" is a subdivision and therefore the human risk from BSE is nil.Here in the UK eating bacon and eggs would not have helped, 90% of meat meal was fed to pigs and poultry. Being vegetarian would not have helped either. gardeners used meat and bone meal as fertilizer.

Thanks for that link, hayseed. It says grass fed animals are protected from getting Mad Cow disease.
Organically raised animals don't get it.

Both of these things say "messing with nature is a bad idea".

It also tells me that processing of foods is a bad idea. Its bad for human health to consume these foods, although we have been led to believe it is okay. There may be a conspiracy there - what a lot of business processed foods bring the doctors!!

"Let them eat grass so WE can eat them"

But the fact that meat is not the only CJD/BSE source is confusing me altogether. Like most people on most issues, I just want to bury my head in the sand. So tell us more, Hayseed.

Karlin

PS- I stopped eating meat "each and every day", and I am finding that I feel better physically. A slice of bacon with my eggs is about all the meat I eat now. If consumption went way down, the need to massproduce cows like we do would not be so urgent.They could all be raised organically, which is the safest and healthiest for us.

 

[hayseed]

I know the feeling. "Stop the world I want to get off". But we can't.Your point "Messing with nature" is here to stay. Its called farming. Yet I agree, but my point is that feeding meat meal is not new but feeding artificial fat to increase milk yield beyond natural levels is. Junk food for cows-how mad is that? Mad Cow Mad perhaps? and the timing fits the British BSE epidemic. Total TSE's (CJD etc) are no greater in the UK than anywhere else. Suggesting that "the human form of CJD" is a subdivision and therefore the human risk from BSE is nil.Here in the UK eating bacon and eggs would not have helped, 90% of meat meal was fed to pigs and poultry. Being vegetarian would not have helped either. gardeners used meat and bone meal as fertilizer.

Thanks for that link, hayseed. It says grass fed animals are protected from getting Mad Cow disease.
Organically raised animals don't get it.

Both of these things say "messing with nature is a bad idea".

It also tells me that processing of foods is a bad idea. Its bad for human health to consume these foods, although we have been led to believe it is okay. There may be a conspiracy there - what a lot of business processed foods bring the doctors!!

"Let them eat grass so WE can eat them"

But the fact that meat is not the only CJD/BSE source is confusing me altogether. Like most people on most issues, I just want to bury my head in the sand. So tell us more, Hayseed.

Karlin

PS- I stopped eating meat "each and every day", and I am finding that I feel better physically. A slice of bacon with my eggs is about all the meat I eat now. If consumption went way down, the need to massproduce cows like we do would not be so urgent.They could all be raised organically, which is the safest and healthiest for us.

 

[hayseed]

Re: RE: Prion Rogue Proteins

Good point about imported cattle from Britain to Ontario being free of BSE. Supports my view. If BSE was a slow infection caught at or near birth this could not be so. If an infection, why have humans not caught BSE direct from scrapie sheep years ago.. In fact some experts now suggest that BSE does not come from scrapie.If you think that all life was on the ark with Noah, then there is nothing to be said, but if you agree life forms can change and evolve as a result of stress then it must be possible that BSE is caused by stress. After all no one suggests that CJD, scrapie, CWD or Crazy Chick Disease are results of cannibalism. so why cattle who get most of there feed from grass anyway.

Pigs and chickens are omnivorous and have been for a very long time, Hayseed. Their digestive systems are better developed to deal with pathogens from animal proteins. The problem with feeding them animal proteins is that cows can get their feed.

There have been connections made between scrapie in sheep and sheep grazing close to dead animals. It's never been scientifically proven, but the anecdotal evidence goes back a long way.

Which brings us to animal proteins being used as fertilizer. What happens if you fertilize your grazing land with infected material and the cows graze there before the material is fully broken down?

If you think about anthrax (the naturally occurring kind, not the kind George Bush mails to Democrats ;-)) the spores stay in the soil forever. A similar mechanism could also have a relation to the continued occurrence of BSE.

My personal feeling is that there is a low incidence of naturally occurring BSE but that our feeding practices allowed it to get out of control. Once it was fairly common in British beef it jumped to humans as CJD.

Something that really bother me is that most of the cattle who had BSE in Britain were holsteins...dairy cattle. Most of the cattle that Canada imported from Britain were also dairy cattle. They ended up mostly in southern Ontario. So how come all of our BSE cases are showing up in Alberta and only half of them have been in dairy cattle?

 

[hayseed]

Re: RE: Prion Rogue Proteins

Good point about imported cattle from Britain to Ontario being free of BSE. Supports my view. If BSE was a slow infection caught at or near birth this could not be so. If an infection, why have humans not caught BSE direct from scrapie sheep years ago.. In fact some experts now suggest that BSE does not come from scrapie.If you think that all life was on the ark with Noah, then there is nothing to be said, but if you agree life forms can change and evolve as a result of stress then it must be possible that BSE is caused by stress. After all no one suggests that CJD, scrapie, CWD or Crazy Chick Disease are results of cannibalism. so why cattle who get most of there feed from grass anyway.

Pigs and chickens are omnivorous and have been for a very long time, Hayseed. Their digestive systems are better developed to deal with pathogens from animal proteins. The problem with feeding them animal proteins is that cows can get their feed.

There have been connections made between scrapie in sheep and sheep grazing close to dead animals. It's never been scientifically proven, but the anecdotal evidence goes back a long way.

Which brings us to animal proteins being used as fertilizer. What happens if you fertilize your grazing land with infected material and the cows graze there before the material is fully broken down?

If you think about anthrax (the naturally occurring kind, not the kind George Bush mails to Democrats ;-)) the spores stay in the soil forever. A similar mechanism could also have a relation to the continued occurrence of BSE.

My personal feeling is that there is a low incidence of naturally occurring BSE but that our feeding practices allowed it to get out of control. Once it was fairly common in British beef it jumped to humans as CJD.

Something that really bother me is that most of the cattle who had BSE in Britain were holsteins...dairy cattle. Most of the cattle that Canada imported from Britain were also dairy cattle. They ended up mostly in southern Ontario. So how come all of our BSE cases are showing up in Alberta and only half of them have been in dairy cattle?

 

[hayseed]

Re: RE: Prion Rogue Proteins

Good point about imported cattle from Britain to Ontario being free of BSE. Supports my view. If BSE was a slow infection caught at or near birth this could not be so. If an infection, why have humans not caught BSE direct from scrapie sheep years ago.. In fact some experts now suggest that BSE does not come from scrapie.If you think that all life was on the ark with Noah, then there is nothing to be said, but if you agree life forms can change and evolve as a result of stress then it must be possible that BSE is caused by stress. After all no one suggests that CJD, scrapie, CWD or Crazy Chick Disease are results of cannibalism. so why cattle who get most of there feed from grass anyway.

Pigs and chickens are omnivorous and have been for a very long time, Hayseed. Their digestive systems are better developed to deal with pathogens from animal proteins. The problem with feeding them animal proteins is that cows can get their feed.

There have been connections made between scrapie in sheep and sheep grazing close to dead animals. It's never been scientifically proven, but the anecdotal evidence goes back a long way.

Which brings us to animal proteins being used as fertilizer. What happens if you fertilize your grazing land with infected material and the cows graze there before the material is fully broken down?

If you think about anthrax (the naturally occurring kind, not the kind George Bush mails to Democrats ;-)) the spores stay in the soil forever. A similar mechanism could also have a relation to the continued occurrence of BSE.

My personal feeling is that there is a low incidence of naturally occurring BSE but that our feeding practices allowed it to get out of control. Once it was fairly common in British beef it jumped to humans as CJD.

Something that really bother me is that most of the cattle who had BSE in Britain were holsteins...dairy cattle. Most of the cattle that Canada imported from Britain were also dairy cattle. They ended up mostly in southern Ontario. So how come all of our BSE cases are showing up in Alberta and only half of them have been in dairy cattle?

 

[Karlin]

Re: Products we use made from potential Mad Cow parts

Updating the warning from the initial post, here is a story from Rense.com
http://www.rense.com/general6/cow.htm
"just because one doesn't eat meat or dairy, doesn't mean one is necessarily safe from potential exposure to Mad Cow prions and contaminated/infected products from cattle.
"With the recent discovery in the UK that tonsils of BSE/TSE infected individuals contain the Mad Cow/CJD killer prions, one wonders if other body tissues might be similar repositories"
"From anti-aging creams to surgical sutures to chocolate milkshakes and marshmallows...we [are using] animal products from cattle, sheep, and hogs in nearly every corner of our lives."

K - The link has a long list of general products used everyday by many, esp in the medical field where MadCow prions could be easily transferred. Brand names are not used. Not all of these products are eaten or injected, and we assume that is not a threat to transfer the MAd Cow Prions, but we are not sure of that either.

Some of these products made from suspect tissues are:

pill capsules - GELATIN
PRODUCTS FROM ADRENALS
cortisone - for arthritis, skin allergies, anti-inflammatory medicine
epinephrine - aid in raising blood pressure, heart disorders, and allergies

PRODUCTS FROM LIVERS
heparin - anti-coagulant, prevents gangrene
liver extract - treatment of anemia
intrinsic factor - pernicious anemia
Vitamin B12 - prevention of B-complex deficiencies

PRODUCTS FROM LUNGS
heparin - anti-coagulant, prevents gangrene

PRODUCTS FROM BLOOD
plasma protein
blood albumin - RH factor typing
Fraction I - hemophilia
Fraction V - kills viruses
iron for anemia
thrombin - blood coagulant
protein extracts
diagnostic microbiology

PRODUCTS FROM PANCREAS
chymotrypsin - contact surgery
diastase - aid in starch digestion
glucagon - treat hypoglycemia
insulin - diabetes mellitus
pancreatin - aid digestion
trypsin - for burns, wounds, and infection - promotes healing - aid in protein digestion and in cleaning wounds

PRODUCTS FROM BLOOD
blood sausage
bone meal
cake mixes
deep-fry batters
egg substitute
gravy mixes
imitation seafood
pasta
whipped toppings and coffee whiteners

PRODUCTS FROM BONES
whitener in refined sugar

PRODUCTS FROM BONE, HORNS, AND HOOVES
gelatin capsules
gelatin deserts
ice cream, malts and shakes
marshmallow
potted meats

PRODUCTS FROM INTESTINES
sausage casings

PRODUCTS FROM BLOOD
blood sausage
bone meal
cake mixes
deep-fry batters
egg substitute
gravy mixes
imitation seafood
pasta
whipped toppings and coffee whiteners

PRODUCTS FROM BONES
whitener in refined sugar

PRODUCTS FROM BONE, HORNS, AND HOOVES
gelatin capsules
gelatin deserts
ice cream, malts and shakes
marshmallow
potted meats

PRODUCTS FROM INTESTINES
sausage casings


PRODUCTS FROM BRAINS
anti-aging cream
cholesterol
-------------------

 

[Karlin]

Re: Products we use made from potential Mad Cow parts

Updating the warning from the initial post, here is a story from Rense.com
http://www.rense.com/general6/cow.htm
"just because one doesn't eat meat or dairy, doesn't mean one is necessarily safe from potential exposure to Mad Cow prions and contaminated/infected products from cattle.
"With the recent discovery in the UK that tonsils of BSE/TSE infected individuals contain the Mad Cow/CJD killer prions, one wonders if other body tissues might be similar repositories"
"From anti-aging creams to surgical sutures to chocolate milkshakes and marshmallows...we [are using] animal products from cattle, sheep, and hogs in nearly every corner of our lives."

K - The link has a long list of general products used everyday by many, esp in the medical field where MadCow prions could be easily transferred. Brand names are not used. Not all of these products are eaten or injected, and we assume that is not a threat to transfer the MAd Cow Prions, but we are not sure of that either.

Some of these products made from suspect tissues are:

pill capsules - GELATIN
PRODUCTS FROM ADRENALS
cortisone - for arthritis, skin allergies, anti-inflammatory medicine
epinephrine - aid in raising blood pressure, heart disorders, and allergies

PRODUCTS FROM LIVERS
heparin - anti-coagulant, prevents gangrene
liver extract - treatment of anemia
intrinsic factor - pernicious anemia
Vitamin B12 - prevention of B-complex deficiencies

PRODUCTS FROM LUNGS
heparin - anti-coagulant, prevents gangrene

PRODUCTS FROM BLOOD
plasma protein
blood albumin - RH factor typing
Fraction I - hemophilia
Fraction V - kills viruses
iron for anemia
thrombin - blood coagulant
protein extracts
diagnostic microbiology

PRODUCTS FROM PANCREAS
chymotrypsin - contact surgery
diastase - aid in starch digestion
glucagon - treat hypoglycemia
insulin - diabetes mellitus
pancreatin - aid digestion
trypsin - for burns, wounds, and infection - promotes healing - aid in protein digestion and in cleaning wounds

PRODUCTS FROM BLOOD
blood sausage
bone meal
cake mixes
deep-fry batters
egg substitute
gravy mixes
imitation seafood
pasta
whipped toppings and coffee whiteners

PRODUCTS FROM BONES
whitener in refined sugar

PRODUCTS FROM BONE, HORNS, AND HOOVES
gelatin capsules
gelatin deserts
ice cream, malts and shakes
marshmallow
potted meats

PRODUCTS FROM INTESTINES
sausage casings

PRODUCTS FROM BLOOD
blood sausage
bone meal
cake mixes
deep-fry batters
egg substitute
gravy mixes
imitation seafood
pasta
whipped toppings and coffee whiteners

PRODUCTS FROM BONES
whitener in refined sugar

PRODUCTS FROM BONE, HORNS, AND HOOVES
gelatin capsules
gelatin deserts
ice cream, malts and shakes
marshmallow
potted meats

PRODUCTS FROM INTESTINES
sausage casings


PRODUCTS FROM BRAINS
anti-aging cream
cholesterol
-------------------

 

[Karlin]

Re: Products we use made from potential Mad Cow parts

Updating the warning from the initial post, here is a story from Rense.com
http://www.rense.com/general6/cow.htm
"just because one doesn't eat meat or dairy, doesn't mean one is necessarily safe from potential exposure to Mad Cow prions and contaminated/infected products from cattle.
"With the recent discovery in the UK that tonsils of BSE/TSE infected individuals contain the Mad Cow/CJD killer prions, one wonders if other body tissues might be similar repositories"
"From anti-aging creams to surgical sutures to chocolate milkshakes and marshmallows...we [are using] animal products from cattle, sheep, and hogs in nearly every corner of our lives."

K - The link has a long list of general products used everyday by many, esp in the medical field where MadCow prions could be easily transferred. Brand names are not used. Not all of these products are eaten or injected, and we assume that is not a threat to transfer the MAd Cow Prions, but we are not sure of that either.

Some of these products made from suspect tissues are:

pill capsules - GELATIN
PRODUCTS FROM ADRENALS
cortisone - for arthritis, skin allergies, anti-inflammatory medicine
epinephrine - aid in raising blood pressure, heart disorders, and allergies

PRODUCTS FROM LIVERS
heparin - anti-coagulant, prevents gangrene
liver extract - treatment of anemia
intrinsic factor - pernicious anemia
Vitamin B12 - prevention of B-complex deficiencies

PRODUCTS FROM LUNGS
heparin - anti-coagulant, prevents gangrene

PRODUCTS FROM BLOOD
plasma protein
blood albumin - RH factor typing
Fraction I - hemophilia
Fraction V - kills viruses
iron for anemia
thrombin - blood coagulant
protein extracts
diagnostic microbiology

PRODUCTS FROM PANCREAS
chymotrypsin - contact surgery
diastase - aid in starch digestion
glucagon - treat hypoglycemia
insulin - diabetes mellitus
pancreatin - aid digestion
trypsin - for burns, wounds, and infection - promotes healing - aid in protein digestion and in cleaning wounds

PRODUCTS FROM BLOOD
blood sausage
bone meal
cake mixes
deep-fry batters
egg substitute
gravy mixes
imitation seafood
pasta
whipped toppings and coffee whiteners

PRODUCTS FROM BONES
whitener in refined sugar

PRODUCTS FROM BONE, HORNS, AND HOOVES
gelatin capsules
gelatin deserts
ice cream, malts and shakes
marshmallow
potted meats

PRODUCTS FROM INTESTINES
sausage casings

PRODUCTS FROM BLOOD
blood sausage
bone meal
cake mixes
deep-fry batters
egg substitute
gravy mixes
imitation seafood
pasta
whipped toppings and coffee whiteners

PRODUCTS FROM BONES
whitener in refined sugar

PRODUCTS FROM BONE, HORNS, AND HOOVES
gelatin capsules
gelatin deserts
ice cream, malts and shakes
marshmallow
potted meats

PRODUCTS FROM INTESTINES
sausage casings


PRODUCTS FROM BRAINS
anti-aging cream
cholesterol
-------------------

 

[Karlin]

http://www.rense.com/general32/free.htm

Can Mad Cow be in milk and dairy products?
The answer could be YES - read the link -

quote:
"When infected symptom-free cows are milked, their milk is mixed in collection tanks with milk from healthy cows. If the prion is present in milk, it could theoretically contaminate the whole collection tank. Pasteurization cannot destroy prions, so that process provides no consolation. "

K

 

[Karlin]

http://www.rense.com/general32/free.htm

Can Mad Cow be in milk and dairy products?
The answer could be YES - read the link -

quote:
"When infected symptom-free cows are milked, their milk is mixed in collection tanks with milk from healthy cows. If the prion is present in milk, it could theoretically contaminate the whole collection tank. Pasteurization cannot destroy prions, so that process provides no consolation. "

K

 

[Karlin]

http://www.rense.com/general32/free.htm

Can Mad Cow be in milk and dairy products?
The answer could be YES - read the link -

quote:
"When infected symptom-free cows are milked, their milk is mixed in collection tanks with milk from healthy cows. If the prion is present in milk, it could theoretically contaminate the whole collection tank. Pasteurization cannot destroy prions, so that process provides no consolation. "

K

 

[Karlin]

One more link, with ALL THE MAD COW info and stories in one place:
http://www.rense.com/health/CJD-CWD-BSE.htm

 

[Karlin]

One more link, with ALL THE MAD COW info and stories in one place:
http://www.rense.com/health/CJD-CWD-BSE.htm

 

[Karlin]

One more link, with ALL THE MAD COW info and stories in one place:
http://www.rense.com/health/CJD-CWD-BSE.htm

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Prion Rogue Proteins

I don't dispute that there's more going on here than we think, Hayseed. I do think that BSE was (and likely still is) spread through feed. I also think that its prevalence in British beef made it a lot easier for it to jump to the human population.

That doesn't mean that it wasn't present before or even that it hadn't made an undiagnosed jump in isolated cases before, just that it became more prevalent due to our feeding practices.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Prion Rogue Proteins

I don't dispute that there's more going on here than we think, Hayseed. I do think that BSE was (and likely still is) spread through feed. I also think that its prevalence in British beef made it a lot easier for it to jump to the human population.

That doesn't mean that it wasn't present before or even that it hadn't made an undiagnosed jump in isolated cases before, just that it became more prevalent due to our feeding practices.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Prion Rogue Proteins

I don't dispute that there's more going on here than we think, Hayseed. I do think that BSE was (and likely still is) spread through feed. I also think that its prevalence in British beef made it a lot easier for it to jump to the human population.

That doesn't mean that it wasn't present before or even that it hadn't made an undiagnosed jump in isolated cases before, just that it became more prevalent due to our feeding practices.