Priest says women bring violence onto themselves

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

That's true for Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Christianity, etc. That does not mean they should escape valid criticism.

The difference is that when other communities are criticized by the actions of a Mullah or even the abandonment of children the backlash is an accusation racism. But one Priest makes a stupid statement and suddenly it;'s an indictment of the entire Church. And trust me, I have some issues with the RCC, but the double standard is ridiculous.

 

[Cliffy]

Cliffy, I don't know what this means. The average Catholic family raises their kids to be good hardworking people that believe in God, go to mass on a Sunday where they give praise to their higher power, like their local parish priest who leads them in their worship and supports them in their distress, send their kids to a school that they feel promotes God and Christ and try to make the world a better place. That's your average person. That's what they subscribe to.

Yes, that is what goes on in the parish. I was talking about the Vatican.

 

[Sal]

Yes, that is what goes on in the parish. I was talking about the Vatican.

I thought maybe you were but I wasn't certain if you were saying, that means people shouldn't be Catholic or go to their own little parish. Does what goes on at the Vatican mean everyone should leave the church in your opinion?

 

[Cliffy]

I thought maybe you were but I wasn't certain if you were saying, that means people shouldn't be Catholic or go to their own little parish. Does what goes on at the Vatican mean everyone should leave the church in your opinion?

No but it is why I left the church.

 

[Sal]

No but it is why I left the church.

Okay, that's fair, I can understand that being a personal choice.

 

[L Gilbert]

Meh. I have no use for gods n goblins. Even less use for religious bureaucracies like churches, synagogues, and whatnot. To me what counts is the people in them. And there are daft dingbats (like this preacher) in any group. But, I see this particular daft dingbat being a detriment to the people the populate the RCC. Same for pope whatsisface.

 

[Spade]

The difference is that when other communities are criticized by the actions of a Mullah or even the abandonment of children the backlash is an accusation racism. But one Priest makes a stupid statement and suddenly it;'s an indictment of the entire Church. And trust me, I have some issues with the RCC, but the double standard is ridiculous.

No, it's the intent of the generalizations which you decried which many find distasteful.

 

[captain morgan]

No, it's the intent of the generalizations which you decried which many find distasteful.

Then why do similar intents that are equally or more so distasteful not earn the ire of the outsiders in a similar manner?

 

[Spade]

It is also a function of who has the power in society. Minorities vis–à–vis majorities; and, a stubborn introspection deficit.

 

[captain morgan]

It is also a function of who has the power in society. Minorities vis–à–vis majorities; and, a stubborn introspection deficit.

That doesn't make a lot of sense to me in the context of this conversation.... The RC (or member therein) states a position that is basically directed at its members, and the condemnation that erupts originates from groups that have no affiliation with the Church.

I do not see the power dynamic that you suggest in the context of 'majority/minority'.

 

[Spade]

Whrn a cleric speaks, he speaks for not only his denomination but more broadly for his "religion." When a rabbi speaks, do we not think "Judaism"? Catholics in Canada (by the numbers) form the dominant denomination.

 

[captain morgan]

Whrn a cleric speaks, he speaks for not only his denomination but more broadly for his "religion." When a rabbi speaks, do we not think "Judaism"? Catholics in Canada (by the numbers) form the dominant denomination.

Agreed, to a point. However, Catholics in Canada, as a religion, do not impose their will on all of society. It is restricted to those that chose to follow that faith, and despite what others have tried to have me believe, Catholics in Canada do not mindlessly bow to the tenants of one Priest in a remote Northern Italian village that speaks their opinion.

The majority/minority argument does not make sense to me in the context of this discussion. It's not like the Vatican dictates legislation in the nation.

 

[Spade]

O, but it does.
The Tablet - Archbishop Vincent Nichols' statement on the end of the 'Soho Masses', Warning against greed, gay ma
Quote:
"
Archbishop Nichols urges Catholics to fight gay marriage plans

Call to lobby MPs to 'defend, not change' legal definition of marriage - 29 December 2012 01:00"

and
Vatican works to stop Sunday shopping in Italy | National Catholic Reporter

 

[gerryh]

O, but it does.
The Tablet - Archbishop Vincent Nichols' statement on the end of the 'Soho Masses', Warning against greed, gay ma
Quote:
"
Archbishop Nichols urges Catholics to fight gay marriage plans

Call to lobby MPs to 'defend, not change' legal definition of marriage - 29 December 2012 01:00"

and
Vatican works to stop Sunday shopping in Italy | National Catholic Reporter

Sorry, any organization can petition and have their members petition the government for changes or to stop changes from being made. That is democracy.

That is a far cry from dictating legislation.

 

[Bremusa]

What is RAPE really?


In truth RAPE is just the word PEAR all jumbled up.

Everyone loves Pears.

Just so you know, rape jokes don't bode well with me.
I don't know, call me old fashioned.

Ever comfort a rape victim ?

I'll cut the retired soldier some slack but wishes he had something more sublime to say on the subject.

There are idiot priests there are idiot politicians.
If you don't like your prime minister , or something a minister says ,are you going to ridicule our parliamentary system and condemn it forever.


Why is it something that is about God, gets so much ridicule when some human ef's up?



Bremusa

 

[Spade]

Sorry, any organization can petition and have their members petition the government for changes or to stop changes from being made. That is democracy.

That is a far cry from dictating legislation.

You are right, the Church no longer holds that power in the West.

Here's a quote from Bishop Henry (Calgary) on which you and I can agree.
"The image of Canada is changing in many parts of the world and not for good. We are no longer perceived as a peace-making nation but one of war. Our government is supporting NGOs internationally that are twining with Canadian mining companies that often leave the lives of villagers and land worse off than before the companies arrived. It seem that for our present government, trade and profit have trumped human need and suffering."

 

[captain morgan]

O, but it does.
The Tablet - Archbishop Vincent Nichols' statement on the end of the 'Soho Masses', Warning against greed, gay ma
Quote:
"
Archbishop Nichols urges Catholics to fight gay marriage plans

Call to lobby MPs to 'defend, not change' legal definition of marriage - 29 December 2012 01:00"

and
Vatican works to stop Sunday shopping in Italy | National Catholic Reporter

Unless you are suggesting that everyone except Catholics get their voice heard, then you haven't offered much of anything.

Heads of Unions, business groups, senior's advocates, age demographics, students, etc. all enjoy this voice, what makes Catholics (or Muslims, Buddhists, Anglicans, etc) the exception to this benefit?

You are right, the Church no longer holds that power in the West.

... Then, what's your beef?

Quite frankly, this goes far in suggesting that your position on the RCC is nothing but a form of bigotry

Here's a quote from Bishop Henry (Calgary) on which you and I can agree.
"The image of Canada is changing in many parts of the world and not for good. We are no longer perceived as a peace-making nation but one of war. Our government is supporting NGOs internationally that are twining with Canadian mining companies that often leave the lives of villagers and land worse off than before the companies arrived. It seem that for our present government, trade and profit have trumped human need and suffering."

That SOB... How dare he say such things openly... Those damn Catholics!

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Just so you know, rape jokes don't bode well with me.
I don't know, call me old fashioned.

Okay. You're old fashioned.

Ever comfort a rape victim ?

Nope, ever comfort the family of dead soldier. Relevance?

I'll cut the retired soldier some slack but wishes he had something more sublime to say on the subject.

No need to cut me slack, sometimes comedy is not pretty and even offensive.

 

[petros]

The Catholic church is probably the richest corporations in the world, with untold billions in real estate and corporate holdings.

You don't have a Papal account? How do you shop on eBay?