Jeez, ya sorta cancelled out your own arguement right there.
Cuz had the US been smart enough to do as you indicate, they could have given the displaced Juden the oil patch and stifled much of the BS over the last 60 years. Non?
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Portrait of Insurgents
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Cuz had the US been smart enough to do as you indicate, they could have given the displaced Juden the oil patch and stifled much of the BS over the last 60 years. Non?
RAWA: U.S. and Her Fundamentalist Stooges are the Main Human Rights Violators In Afghanistan
Written by RAWA Saturday, 15 December 2007 The US and her allies tried to legitimize their military occupation of Afghanistan under the banner of "bringing freedom and democracy for the Afghan people". But as we have experienced in the past three decades, in regard to the fate of our people, the US government first of all considers her own political and economic interests and has empowered and equipped the most traitorous, anti-democratic, misogynist and corrupt fundamentalist gangs in Afghanistan.
In the past few years, for a thousand times the lies of US claims in the so-called "War on terror" were uncovered. By relying on the criminal bands of the Northern Alliance, the US made a game of values like democracy, human rights, women’s rights etc. thus disgracing our mournful nation. The US created a government from those people responsible for massacres in Pul-e-Charkhi, Dasht-e-Chamtala, Kapisa, Karala, Dasht-e-Lieli, 65,000 Kabulis and tens of mass graves across the country. Now the US tries to include infamous killers like Mullah Omer and Gulbuddin Hekmatyar into the government, which will be another big hypocrisy in the "war against terror".
The reinstatement of the Northern Alliance to power crushed the hopes of our people for freedom and prosperity into desperation and proved that for the Bush administration, defeating terrorism so that our people can be happy, have no significance at all. The US administration plays a funny anti-Taliban game and pretends that a super power is unable to defeat a small, marginalized and medieval-minded gang which is actually her own product. But our people found by experience in the past few years that the US doesn’t want to defeat the Taliban and Al-Qaeda, because then they will have no excuse to stay in Afghanistan and work towards the realization of its economical, political and strategic interests in the region.
After about seven years, there is no peace, human rights, democracy and reconstruction in Afghanistan. On the contrary, the destitution and suffering of our people has doubled everyday. Our people, and even our unfortunate children, fall victim to the Jehadis’ infighting (Baghlan incident), the Taliban’s untargeted blasts and the US/NATO’s non-stop bombardments. The Northern Alliance blood-suckers, who are part of Karzai’s team and have key government posts, continue to be the main and the most serious obstacle towards the establishment of peace and democracy in Afghanistan. The existence of tens of illegal private security companies run by these mafia bands are enough to realize their sinister intentions and the danger they pose.
Human rights violations, crime, and corruption have reached their peak, so much so that Mr. Karzai is forced to make friendly pleas to the ministers and members of the parliament, asking them to "keep some limits"! Accusations about women being raped in prisons were so numerous that even a pro-warlord woman in the parliament had no choice but to acknowledge them.
Rabbani, Khalili, Massoud, Sayyaf, Fahim, Ismael and other criminals for the sake of being "ISI" and "VEVAK" agents could become "leaders" in the early 90’s, invited their god-father G
http://www.activistmagazine.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=795&Itemid=143
Written by RAWA Saturday, 15 December 2007 The US and her allies tried to legitimize their military occupation of Afghanistan under the banner of "bringing freedom and democracy for the Afghan people". But as we have experienced in the past three decades, in regard to the fate of our people, the US government first of all considers her own political and economic interests and has empowered and equipped the most traitorous, anti-democratic, misogynist and corrupt fundamentalist gangs in Afghanistan.In the past few years, for a thousand times the lies of US claims in the so-called "War on terror" were uncovered. By relying on the criminal bands of the Northern Alliance, the US made a game of values like democracy, human rights, women’s rights etc. thus disgracing our mournful nation. The US created a government from those people responsible for massacres in Pul-e-Charkhi, Dasht-e-Chamtala, Kapisa, Karala, Dasht-e-Lieli, 65,000 Kabulis and tens of mass graves across the country. Now the US tries to include infamous killers like Mullah Omer and Gulbuddin Hekmatyar into the government, which will be another big hypocrisy in the "war against terror".
The reinstatement of the Northern Alliance to power crushed the hopes of our people for freedom and prosperity into desperation and proved that for the Bush administration, defeating terrorism so that our people can be happy, have no significance at all. The US administration plays a funny anti-Taliban game and pretends that a super power is unable to defeat a small, marginalized and medieval-minded gang which is actually her own product. But our people found by experience in the past few years that the US doesn’t want to defeat the Taliban and Al-Qaeda, because then they will have no excuse to stay in Afghanistan and work towards the realization of its economical, political and strategic interests in the region.
After about seven years, there is no peace, human rights, democracy and reconstruction in Afghanistan. On the contrary, the destitution and suffering of our people has doubled everyday. Our people, and even our unfortunate children, fall victim to the Jehadis’ infighting (Baghlan incident), the Taliban’s untargeted blasts and the US/NATO’s non-stop bombardments. The Northern Alliance blood-suckers, who are part of Karzai’s team and have key government posts, continue to be the main and the most serious obstacle towards the establishment of peace and democracy in Afghanistan. The existence of tens of illegal private security companies run by these mafia bands are enough to realize their sinister intentions and the danger they pose.
Human rights violations, crime, and corruption have reached their peak, so much so that Mr. Karzai is forced to make friendly pleas to the ministers and members of the parliament, asking them to "keep some limits"! Accusations about women being raped in prisons were so numerous that even a pro-warlord woman in the parliament had no choice but to acknowledge them.
Rabbani, Khalili, Massoud, Sayyaf, Fahim, Ismael and other criminals for the sake of being "ISI" and "VEVAK" agents could become "leaders" in the early 90’s, invited their god-father G
http://www.activistmagazine.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=795&Itemid=143
...'course if you know anything different, Bear, I know you'll tell us all about it
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Congrats, Bear. Such devotion. While other bruins are wasting their time in hibernation, I see you've picked up a second language. Cat is so hard a tongue to master.
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insurgent= 1/ rising in active revolt 2/ rebel hence----ency oxford dictionary
The OP is a clear attempt to mischaracterize legal rebels. It is commonly employed by the Anglo-American invaders to deflect that legality which is an inherant human right of resistance to armed aggression and illegle occupation. It is almost exclusively used to describe freedom fighters who legaly oppose the occupation forces of the Anglo-American Empire, ffor the simple reason that they know 80% of the dummys who read or hear the word have no idea what it means and will not look it up to arrive at the meaning of the word REBEL which has a counter affect to the coalition. You can also see that Jim has taken pains to mislead us entirely about the nationality of the rebels/insurgents by listing non-Iraqis only, when in fact forigne nationals who have joined the rebellion, that's right rebellion, are a very small percentage of the actual rebel force who are overwhelmingly Iraqi patriots fighting for the independance of thier country, that has been destroyed and raped by the Anglo-American murderers and thieves. Deconstruction of propaganda is revealing. In this case Jim clearly hopes to remove any empathy for rebels by simply calling them insurgents thus obscuring thier legitamacy and smoothing the way for further denegration.
The OP is a clear attempt to mischaracterize legal rebels. It is commonly employed by the Anglo-American invaders to deflect that legality which is an inherant human right of resistance to armed aggression and illegle occupation. It is almost exclusively used to describe freedom fighters who legaly oppose the occupation forces of the Anglo-American Empire, ffor the simple reason that they know 80% of the dummys who read or hear the word have no idea what it means and will not look it up to arrive at the meaning of the word REBEL which has a counter affect to the coalition. You can also see that Jim has taken pains to mislead us entirely about the nationality of the rebels/insurgents by listing non-Iraqis only, when in fact forigne nationals who have joined the rebellion, that's right rebellion, are a very small percentage of the actual rebel force who are overwhelmingly Iraqi patriots fighting for the independance of thier country, that has been destroyed and raped by the Anglo-American murderers and thieves. Deconstruction of propaganda is revealing. In this case Jim clearly hopes to remove any empathy for rebels by simply calling them insurgents thus obscuring thier legitamacy and smoothing the way for further denegration.
Actually most Palestinians are far better educated than the average North American, especially the average American. Jim wants us to believe that the Palestinians between 20 and 40 really have no idea of the history of thier people or the events of the last 60 years, this is very dishonest as it is a certainty that those people know exactly every murderous act and the source and the dates and the enemy of every day of that long slow genocide. Jim would also by his poor reasoning have us believe that the Isreali Jew is by the same age discrimination idicated by Jim to be ignorant of thier past. This is also a tactic used by the propagandist to separate a people from a cause and portray them as deranged malcontents who engage in mindless acts of indescriminant violence for no reason other than pure ignorance, when in fact they have every right to engage in armed struggle for thier lives and freedom against a brutal occupation force conducting genocide and ingaged in the annexation of Palestinian land and the destruction of Palestinian civil society.
This type of propaganda is very effective with the average brain dead American who is extremely susceptable to it by virtue of decades of American pulp media and government lies.
There are no more heavily propagandized people than Americans with the exception of North Koreans, both populations have been subjected to heavy and incessant misinformation and substandard education for decades. This is why it has been so easy to make Americans the horrific victims of thier own government and ruling wealthy elite class, and for the most part they are blissfully ignorant of the facts of life or the wider world. While historical amnesia prevails in America it does not prevail in Palestine and never will. ;-)
Thanx for noticing Lone...Congrats, Bear. Such devotion. While other bruins are wasting their time in hibernation, I see you've picked up a second language. Cat is so hard a tongue to master.
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Not to many have noticed how good my tongue when it comes to cat.
Jim wants us to believe that the Palestinians between 20 and 40 really have no idea of the history of thier people or the events of the last 60 years, this is very dishonest as it is a certainty that those people know exactly every murderous act and the source and the dates and the enemy of every day of that long slow genocide. Jim would also by his poor reasoning have us believe that the Isreali Jew is by the same age discrimination idicated by Jim to be ignorant of thier past. This is also a tactic used by the propagandist to separate a people from a cause and portray them as deranged malcontents who engage in mindless acts of indescriminant violence for no reason other than pure ignorance, when in fact they have every right to engage in armed struggle for thier lives and freedom against a brutal occupation force conducting genocide and ingaged in the annexation of Palestinian land and the destruction of Palestinian civil society.
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Schooled in history ? Most likely not. The history they're schooled in, as most people are schooled in most nations, is that of the propoganda and myth making machine of their own country. What does one learn from that ???
Have the ones over 40 experienced a valuable lesson after banging their head against the wall figuratively and literally ??
Yep. They've learned as they grow older, that being right and correct does not always mean you must keep fighting stupidly and not accomplish any results.
The Palestinians can continue to shoot their own selves in the foot. Had they not, their economy would be thriving. The oil moneyed Arab world has been piss poor in creating an economy for their beleaguered arab Palestinian brother.
From 1949 to 1967 when Jordan had the authority over their own West Bank, they did not create an economy or infrastructure with the help of their rich oil arab neighbors. No, instead they created in cynical fashion, refugee camps, to keep the burner on the stove burning hot. They did not incorporate these people into their society or into their economy.
The irony is relying on Israel for jobs. And still relying on that while they attack the Jew.
After you grow older you learn to keep your mouth shut and you wouldn't dare impart some wisdom you learned to the brainwashed ideologues of each new generation. This is what the older Palestinians know.
Many of the older ones say nothing after they've learned these brutal lessons.
Abu Mazen is about the only one brave enough to do so. And his life is in constant danger. We all pontificate here in comfort and anonymity, assured of no personal danger.
Historical amnesia plagues every young generation. Don't fool yourself.
I have to look for a report by an Israeli-American person who made friends with a Palestinian. He was completely unaware of the civil rights movement in America or of Ghandi or of Thoreau's Civil Disobedience.
After being told of the stories, this Palestinian could not see the nobility in people passively being hit by water hoses or getting gunned down and still galantly replying with no violence. It was a foreign concept. And it's history.
He saw no respect or nobility in that. He easily rationalized how little it accomplished and was then self-satisfied with his own conclusions.
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Schooled in history ? Most likely not. The history they're schooled in, as most people are schooled in most nations, is that of the propoganda and myth making machine of their own country. What does one learn from that ???
Have the ones over 40 experienced a valuable lesson after banging their head against the wall figuratively and literally ??
Yep. They've learned as they grow older, that being right and correct does not always mean you must keep fighting stupidly and not accomplish any results.
The Palestinians can continue to shoot their own selves in the foot. Had they not, their economy would be thriving. The oil moneyed Arab world has been piss poor in creating an economy for their beleaguered arab Palestinian brother.
From 1949 to 1967 when Jordan had the authority over their own West Bank, they did not create an economy or infrastructure with the help of their rich oil arab neighbors. No, instead they created in cynical fashion, refugee camps, to keep the burner on the stove burning hot. They did not incorporate these people into their society or into their economy.
The irony is relying on Israel for jobs. And still relying on that while they attack the Jew.
After you grow older you learn to keep your mouth shut and you wouldn't dare impart some wisdom you learned to the brainwashed ideologues of each new generation. This is what the older Palestinians know.
Many of the older ones say nothing after they've learned these brutal lessons.
Abu Mazen is about the only one brave enough to do so. And his life is in constant danger. We all pontificate here in comfort and anonymity, assured of no personal danger.
Historical amnesia plagues every young generation. Don't fool yourself.
I have to look for a report by an Israeli-American person who made friends with a Palestinian. He was completely unaware of the civil rights movement in America or of Ghandi or of Thoreau's Civil Disobedience.
After being told of the stories, this Palestinian could not see the nobility in people passively being hit by water hoses or getting gunned down and still galantly replying with no violence. It was a foreign concept. And it's history.
He saw no respect or nobility in that. He easily rationalized how little it accomplished and was then self-satisfied with his own conclusions.
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So you recommend capitulation and exhault defeatism, perhaps you should practice what you preach and surrender to Marxism and do the smart profitable thing before it's to late, abandon all hope and eat with the enemy. Excuse me Jim but I don't think much of that advice of yours. I shudder to think where we would be had our ancestors followed that prescription. Nowhere I think, it's not the way of the revolutionary it;s the way of a beaten slave.
Actually this discussion is just a mere preamble to the real tactic I want to employ.
I've mentioned it before.
The Million Naked Midget Man March.
Think of it.
A million naked midgets running around in the Gaza Strip or in Bethlehem or Jerusalem.
Would they shoot them all ??
Could they ?
With the world watching ?
This picture is but a metaphor, a portal to the real.
I've mentioned it before.
The Million Naked Midget Man March.
Think of it.
A million naked midgets running around in the Gaza Strip or in Bethlehem or Jerusalem.
Would they shoot them all ??
Could they ?
With the world watching ?
This picture is but a metaphor, a portal to the real.
How many Isrealis are there Jim? How long will they labour against thier own book. What is the wage of sin? When you live and prosper by the sword ,what is the eventual result? This has been a long struggle in which the meekest shall inheret I'll wager. Even now the world turns against Isreali excess of cruelty.
As you know history can be many things, truth cannot, but history can be written and rewritten as is the case in Palestine today, the only certain history in that place is blood and time, that is all the Palestinians require. The Jews used to know what it was to be hunted and exterminated without mercy, odd that they seem to have forgotten that very hard won lesson. Maybe they're tired of the taste of defeat and would not themselves capitulate as you recommend. If that is the case then we have not seen the worst. Why should I and the rest pay for that pride? When you reduce yourself and the discussion to subjecting naked little people to your disrespect you've lost the round. To your corner Jim.;-)
As you know history can be many things, truth cannot, but history can be written and rewritten as is the case in Palestine today, the only certain history in that place is blood and time, that is all the Palestinians require. The Jews used to know what it was to be hunted and exterminated without mercy, odd that they seem to have forgotten that very hard won lesson. Maybe they're tired of the taste of defeat and would not themselves capitulate as you recommend. If that is the case then we have not seen the worst. Why should I and the rest pay for that pride? When you reduce yourself and the discussion to subjecting naked little people to your disrespect you've lost the round. To your corner Jim.;-)
I don't think this is as pure and righteous an issue. We are really a reflection of our daily headlines, we westerners vicariously living off the pain of others, pumping up our moral character. We are what we read.
Think of the Uighurs.
Do they have any less a burning claim for our attention ?
What ? You don't know of the Uighers ?
Or, until the 2nd Iraq war, few people knew of the Kurd quest for a nation.
Do they have any less a righteous claim than the Palestinians for their homeland ?
Our indignance is all pumped up.
Soup du jour.
I see no balance in these arguments. I emphasize one side. You emphasize the other side. I don't believe either of us are wrong. Nor are we completely right.
LOL !!
That last statement has got to be an understatement.
Think of the Uighurs.
Do they have any less a burning claim for our attention ?
What ? You don't know of the Uighers ?
Or, until the 2nd Iraq war, few people knew of the Kurd quest for a nation.
Do they have any less a righteous claim than the Palestinians for their homeland ?
Our indignance is all pumped up.
Soup du jour.
I see no balance in these arguments. I emphasize one side. You emphasize the other side. I don't believe either of us are wrong. Nor are we completely right.
LOL !!
That last statement has got to be an understatement.
True, most of us have never heard of Uighers though more have heard of Kurds. Their struggle for homelands may be less obvious than that of Palestine because their controllers are less inclined to whine when asked to share their toys.
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Controllers whine everywhere, Lone Wolf. Don't reach for consolation so quickly.
Your point is also not the reason why we don't hear of the Uighur plight so much.
The reasons are much more banal and much more insidious.
We've lost all moral furor over Tibet. That newly completed railroad is going to stack the demographic deck. It isn't war that kills a nation or its culture, but that of migration of different cultures dominating the indigenous one.
And you seriously don't think the Uighurs and Kurds have less of a history of pain than the Palestinians ?
Your point is also not the reason why we don't hear of the Uighur plight so much.
The reasons are much more banal and much more insidious.
We've lost all moral furor over Tibet. That newly completed railroad is going to stack the demographic deck. It isn't war that kills a nation or its culture, but that of migration of different cultures dominating the indigenous one.
And you seriously don't think the Uighurs and Kurds have less of a history of pain than the Palestinians ?
Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner this afternoon Jim, it got very busy here at the Institute for Advanced ahhhhhhhhh I'll have to look at the door again, but never mind. Why don't we ever talk about the human suffering in the USA man, you being a concerned humanitarian and all I was just wondering if perhaps you shouldn't save a bit of time for starving and downtrodden Americans. You know they, you know them, say that charity begins at home eh. What with the economy collapseing and the wouned soldiers and the white collar crime, crumbling infrastructure, cost overruns, no bid contracts, corporate corruption ,electoral fraud, teen pregnancys, gay marriage, godlessness, etc; I was just wondering where you find the time to worry about the Tibetans, Urgars, Sudanese, Isrealis, Iraqis, Palestinians, did I forget anybody, oh sorry Martians. Get back to me tomorrow between disasters if you have a sec or two OK.;-)
I don't think the extinction of the Martians is as pure and righteous an issue. We are really a reflection of our daily headlines, we westerners vicariously living off the pain of others, pumping up our moral character. We are what we read.
Our indignance is all pumped up.
Soup du jour.
I see no balance in these arguments. I emphasize one side. You emphasize the other side. I don't believe either of us are wrong. Nor are we completely right.
Our indignance is all pumped up.
Soup du jour.
I see no balance in these arguments. I emphasize one side. You emphasize the other side. I don't believe either of us are wrong. Nor are we completely right.