Plasma in Three Dimensions

mt_pockets1000

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I accept nothing of the sort. I do read DB's and your comments with interest, filter out the BS on all sides and come to my own conclusions.

I believe the universe is electromagnetic. The earth is a negatively charged sphere. The ionosphere is an encompassing dialectric, a capacitor. That dialectric is charged by the solar rays of the sun. HAARP has a neat description of how the ionosphere operates. It's a rather beautiful arrangement actually and makes a lot of sense to me. And I only have a fundamental knowledge of physics.
 

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The old paradigm is shifting, current scientific thinking is being challenged and the picture is becoming clearer without the shackles and bonds of outdated and incorrect information. Of course the people who don't believe in an electric universe are going to pooh pooh it. Their whole reason for being is challenged. What concerns me is the outright dismissal by the scientific community of a plasma based, electromagnetic interconnection between all bodies in the universe. Just because there are no measureable readings in the outer reaches of space doesn't mean the connection is not there. Perhaps our measly measuring devices are not up to snuff to figure out the whole system. And there are not enough open minded individuals within the scientific community that will explore all possiblities. Tesla challenged Einstein on may occasions. I still believe the conventional thinking is way off and still needs to be revisited until we get it right.

Anyone who doesn't believe the sun powers the earth and everything on it should spend a long period of time indoors. Then go out into the hot sun and observe how your body regenerates and feels alive.
 

darkbeaver

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There's BS on only one side. The data do not support the claim that the large scale structure of the universe is dominated by electromagnetism, and the earth does not carry a net negative charge. Try this for a thorough debunking of the electric cosmos claims: Dealing with Creationism in Astronomy: Electric Cosmos

Most would question your familiarity with bull**** sir but I have no such delusions you've made your physics expertize perfectly clear with your religious adherance to the official 9/11 story and it's attached excrement. You're not reliably objective.
 

darkbeaver

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Dexter objects to my joking about being a leading edge scientist. Like there's about three other people on the whole planet who might object to light casual discussion conducted in my manner about science. You will note the subjects fanatical religious ferver in defence of the establishment. To all those three people who may have confused me with a Nobel prize winner I apologize from the bottom of my heart and I will return the eight million dollars you so mistakingly donated to my labs. Blackhole junkies! Sooner or later society's going to have to act.
 

darkbeaver

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I just can't stand this exchange of ignorance any longer.

The colour is mostly a temperature effect, lava is most definitely NOT a plasma, it's molten rock and has relatively low conductivity. It's about as conductive as distilled water, in the range of 1-10 millisiemens per meter. Google "lava electrical conductivity" and find out how wrong you are.

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darkbeaver

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Electric Cosmos

The Electric Cosmos is a distortion of the more mainstream Plasma Cosmology of Alfven and others. Plasma cosmology enjoyed an upsurge of interest in the late 1980s and early 1990s as a simpler solution to some of the difficulites plaguing cosmology.
Interest dropped after the Cosmic Background Explorer (COBE) mission confirmed the blackbody nature of the cosmic microwave background (CMB) to high precision. COBE failed to detect any radio or microwave emission from the large-scale electric currents required in plasma cosmology.
A more radical version of this cosmology goes under the name of "Electric Cosmos". This "science" seems to be a variant of creationism based around a Greco-Roman mythology but many components are based on some of the claims of Immanuel Velikovsky. There are several sites advocating these claims:

Nobel Prize for Big Bang is a Fizzer




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Nobel Prize for Big Bang is a Fizzer

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"There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe them." —George Orwell The simplest answer, from the highly successful field of plasma cosmology, is that it represents the natural microwave radiation from electric current filaments in interstellar plasma local to the Sun. Radio astronomers have mapped the interstellar hydrogen filaments by using longer wavelength receivers. The dense thicket formed by those filaments produces a perfect fog of microwave radiation—as if we were located inside a microwave oven. Instead of the Cosmic Microwave Background, it is the Interstellar Microwave Background. That makes sense of the fact that the CMB is too smooth to account for the lumpiness of galaxies and galactic clusters in the universe. We cannot "see" them through the local microwave fog.


>> Here we see the improvement in resolution between COBE and the WMAP project. The pie chart shows the constituents of the universe based on Big Bang cosmology. The most important result from WMAP is the filamentary structure and (red) hot spots in the microwave background. Images courtesy of NASA.

Ironically for the Nobel jury, the death notice for the Big Bang has been provided by the unprecedented accuracy of the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe, or WMAP project, which was designed to map the CMB. Rather than "pinpoint when the first stars formed and provide new clues about events that transpired in the first trillionth of a second of the universe," the more detailed map matches the unique heated plasma signature of interactions between local interstellar hydrogen filaments. So it is, with a sigh of utter relief, we can dispose of all the whimsical nonsense accompanying the Big Bang hypothesis—the invisible dark matter, the dark energy, the expanding universe (whatever that meant) and creation of matter from nothing. (And cosmologists can don sackcloth and ashes and admit their profound ignorance—while pigs perform aerobatics overhead and the Nobel committee ask for their prize money back.)


As the Open Letter notes, "Big Bang proponents have won the political and funding battle so that virtually all financial and experimental resources in cosmology are devoted to Big Bang studies. Funding comes from only a few sources, and supporters of the Big Bang dominate all the peer-review committees that control the funds. As a result, the dominance of the Big Bang within the field has become self-sustaining, irrespective of the scientific validity of the theory." It points to a failure of the way science is done today and the way scientists are trained.

One of the casualties in modern physics has been the natural philosopher. If natural philosophers had retained their primary role in physics, instead of



I imagine Velekovskys aftrerlife involves long lines of broken relativists kissing the good Doctors ass for all eternity. :lol:
 

mt_pockets1000

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To all those three people who may have confused me with a Nobel prize winner I apologize from the bottom of my heart and I will return the eight million dollars you so mistakingly donated to my labs.

Before you do, can we go on one last drinking binge before we're pushed to the backpages of the science annals and forever mocked as lunatics? :lol: Plus, the wife needs new shoes.......
 

darkbeaver

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Before you do, can we go on one last drinking binge before we're pushed to the backpages of the science annals and forever mocked as lunatics? :lol: Plus, the wife needs new shoes.......

For science then onward, the first leg of a global drinking spree to hand deliver those donations minus shipping, it is a fine thing we do. I do not mind the mockery tis the ropes and piles of tinder that I would escape forsooth.:lol: I suppose the wife wants a matching pair.
 

mt_pockets1000

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She's not fussy, as long as their both size 7. A right and left foot would be nice.

Alright then. In the name of science and for the betterment of all mankind, we shall return the funds to their rightful owners. But not until we've exhausted every drinking hole this side of Switzerland.
 

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Great stuff physics...If you can get the public interested...Explain it in laymens terms without all the math..That's the challenge..

I wrote a book...Could be called how to create a planet..I call it An^3(4 now)...It's a fun scifi /fantasy all can enjoy..For the next generation of "will be" science enthusiasts....

This thread is very informative but remember we all start as philosophers(asking questions) before we can become scientists...and Some are happy simply reading sci-fi/fantasy....is all good..

but true Science is where it's at...

Is all cool...
 

darkbeaver

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She's not fussy, as long as their both size 7. A right and left foot would be nice.

Alright then. In the name of science and for the betterment of all mankind, we shall return the funds to their rightful owners. But not until we've exhausted every drinking hole this side of Switzerland.

I believe you embody the true spirit of scientific inquirey absolutly necessary for the enlightened progress of mankind as we cope with the changing aspects of the present. That is a lot of drinking but I'm ready for the sacrifice, it could be just the kind of break I need to get out of my slump, after I solved the egg/chicken problem I sort of dried up. I have one size seven black thin straped spike heel left and one pink size eight hush puppyette right, that's a pair. If she stands side-on no one will notice maybe.:smile:
 

mt_pockets1000

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That's fine. Her right leg is longer than her left so it should balance out nicely.
I was also thinking two left feet would work well too, since she's not much of a dancer. What with the longer leg and all. In all seriousness, my wife turned 50 years old today and we're celebrating 31 years of marriage this month. She's a keeper, even with the wonky leg.

Congratulations on solving the egg/chicken thing. Have you published your findings anywhere?
 

darkbeaver

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That's fine. Her right leg is longer than her left so it should balance out nicely.
I was also thinking two left feet would work well too, since she's not much of a dancer. What with the longer leg and all. In all seriousness, my wife turned 50 years old today and we're celebrating 31 years of marriage this month. She's a keeper, even with the wonky leg.

Congratulations on solving the egg/chicken thing. Have you published your findings anywhere?

Congradulations to both you and your long suffering wife. I hope she's not reading this stuff.:lol: No I haven't published anything yet, the world is not ready.
 

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Science question: What is plasma?
(physical chemistry) a fourth state of matter distinct from solid or liquid or gas and present in stars and fusion reactors; a gas becomes a plasma when it is heated until the atoms lose all their electrons, leaving a highly electrified collection of nuclei and free electrons

Funny. Doesn't sound like lava to me...;-)
 

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Why Is The Earth’s Mantle Conductive?


Above: Image of the Masai volcano, Oldoinyo Lengia (mountain of the gods) with, in white, a recent flow of liquid carbonate. Below: Two images of the lava lake, illustrating the very fluid character of this lava with extraordinary electrical properties. (Credit: Copyright Hannes Mattsson, ETH Zurich, courtesy CNRS)

ScienceDaily (Dec. 4, 2008) — Researchers from INSU-CNRS, working with chemists at a CNRS research unit, have explained that the high conductivity of the Earth’s upper mantle is due to molten carbonates. They demonstrated the very high conductivity of this form of carbon.
Appearing in the 28 November issue of Science, their work has revealed the high carbon content of the interior of the upper mantle. This composition can be directly linked to the quantity of carbon dioxide produced by 80% of volcanoes. This result is important for quantifying the carbon cycle, which contributes significantly to the greenhouse effect.
Geologists have long claimed that significant amounts of carbon have been present in the Earth’s mantle for thousands of years. Up until now, there was very little direct proof of this hypothesis, and samples from the surface of the mantle contained only very small quantities of carbon. Also, for the last thirty years, scientists have been unable to explain the conductivity of the mantle, which is crossed by natural electrical currents at depths of 70 to 350 km, even though olivine, one of the main mineral components of the upper mantle, is completely isolating.
To explain these phenomena, researchers from the Institut des Sciences de la Terre d'Orléans (ISTO, CNRS / Université de Tours / Université d'Orléans) looked into liquid carbonates, one of the most stable forms of carbon within the mantle, along with graphite and diamond. The Masai volcano is Tanzania is the only place in the world where these carbonates can be observed. Elsewhere, the carbonates are dissolved in basalts and emitted into the atmosphere in gaseous form, as CO2.
Based on lab measurements at CNRS’s CEMHTI, the researchers established the high conductivity of molten carbonates. Their conductivity is 1000 times higher than that of basalt, which was previously thought to be the only potential conductor in the mantle. Fabrice Gaillard and his team have shown that the conductivity of the Earth’s mantle is a result of the presence of small amounts of molten carbonates between chunks of solid rock.
This work shows that the electrical characteristics of the asthenosphere, the conductive part of the upper mantle, are directly connected to the amount of carbonate in the layer. The work also points to varying carbon distribution according to the regions and depth of the maWhy Is The Earth’s Mantle Conductive?
 

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Science question: What is plasma?
(physical chemistry) a fourth state of matter distinct from solid or liquid or gas and present in stars and fusion reactors; a gas becomes a plasma when it is heated until the atoms lose all their electrons, leaving a highly electrified collection of nuclei and free electrons

Funny. Doesn't sound like lava to me...;-)

Lava is just molten rock, sort of like water is molten ice.
 

#juan

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Lava is just molten rock, sort of like water is molten ice.

Exactly. DB wants to make lava a form of plasma to strengthen his ideas on the "electric Universe". I'm not a physicist but that goes against everything I've ever learned.