Plans For Iran

[Alberta'sfinest]

Them, as in the Communist allies of Russia, China, North Korea, as well as some smaller nations.
Thinking that China-US relations of trade will prevent this, doesn't take into account that if oil becomes expensive we will no longer buy anything from them and there won't be anymore Chinese-US relations. Do you really think they'll care about us once they have nothing to gain from the situation. China can't actually even afford to feed it's population without the trade relationships it can only maintain with cheap oil. I think hundreds of millions of starving chinese is more than enough motivation for them. We actually can't increase production anymore here Alberta, were topping out because of many reasons, mainly being a lack of workforce to do the physical work, and the lack of infrastructure to even support the population in the oil sands areas at levels needed. We also are running out of water to use in the process of extraction. Considering that this is pretty much the last frontier where production can be increased, it means that this summer the supply and demand gap is going to start to be noticeable, and nations are going to get aggressive over acquiring their share. If our suspicians and fears are correct about the US invading Iran this year, this will plunge us straight into the crisis, and Russia and China being their allies, I think they'll be a little more than unhappy. This is actually the prudent thing to do for the Bush administration as it's smarter to go to war while the economy is still healthy, and it will also allow them to blame Iran's lack of cooperation when it starts to fail. This summer or fall were set to experience a recession, as they coincide with a 12 month average delay from the the time oil spikes like it did during last years hurricanes. We might actually see the first wave of strategic bombing taking place in Iran as soon as next month to act before this recession.

I'm not actually trying to warn you but rather inform you. I feel that everyone should have all the knowledge possible to make proper decisions for themselves. For example, my family, plus a few others that are in the know are setting up greenhouses. I'm installing a thermal heating system and likely a electical generation of some type. The reason being is that by doing this we'll free up our reliance on products that will start to become rather expensive, mainly food and utilities. If an artificial oil inflation were to occour do to another war in the middle east or another hurricane, we'll be gaurenteeing our own ability to provide our own food and essentials. I'll have no reason to riot or get worried because I won't require anything from the economy, and prices won't effect my life very much at all. Later I'm hoping to be able to do my part in helping people understand why everything took place, and help them understand why we ended up were we are so that we can litterally make it illegal through policy reform to do the things that lead us down this path. In the end, we'll actually have world peace while creating the most open and free society history has ever seen. It will actually be impossible for any future conflicts to take place, or rather their will be no reason for any to take place.

 

[the caracal kid]

It is a good conspiracy theory you spin, AF.

But have you separated out the "links" you draw from the links that are real?

For the history of man, there have been claims of imminent disaster floated and all of those acted just as you do now. However, the success rates of prediction of these doomsayers has been quite low, even lower than what random guessing would have predicted.

 

[Alberta'sfinest]

I guess you'll have to wait and see to believe it.

 

[the caracal kid]

well you better get cracking on getting that book done and out if its all starting so soon, AF!

I tend to not believe conspiracy theories because they just never deliver the goods. It is all fun to draw in the lines of connections after the fact, but that does not make them "fact".

In other words, lets say I saw an elderly woman slip and fall one day, and after helping her up and to the hospital and back home, she decides to show her gratitude by leaving me an heirloom in her will. Years later when she passed away, I was informed of this gift in her will and it turned out to be something not only priceless, but something I had studied years earlier. All random events that came together yet there would be some conspiracy theorist out there claiming I had planned for working my way into the elderly woman's life in order to secure that trinket for myself.

While things are very interconnected, they are not as controlled as you would claim, no matter how many sights like infowars you have been reading.

 

[Alberta'sfinest]

There's no conspiracy theory in that unless you had prior knowledge of the trinket. If the women was a complete stranger to you, its not likely you would. If you did, you likely received this knowledge from someone who knew the lady, and it would likely be this person who would become suspicious. Then you have known motive. Anyone else would have no credibility as you'd have plausible denial of any pre knowledge.

See, the governments however do have prior knowledge of everything. They hire people who are really smart to just sit around in think tanks and fathom up every single route that every other country could take and a corresponding plan of action to counter it. Sometimes it even means setting the framework so that the country will take a route that said country would prefer as it's in the best interest of the country. History shows that any country like China that allows its population to rise above what can be sustained by it's internal resources always has a plan for expansion, or they'll experience eventual shortages which will result in starvation and unhappy citizens. Knowing this, the Americans would come to the conclusion that they would also need a large army to fight such a country, especially when you have exactly what they most likely want, and your'e the only direction that they can move. Politics is like a game of chess, it's all about putting the king in a position to be checkmated while pre empting your opponents attempts to do the same thing. Governments don't really give a damn what the average person thinks because the average person doesn't know shit. However, they still need the cooperation of the masses to do certain things, and the rest is planned in secret and the citizens are left in the dark. Media is heavily controlled to make sure the citizens never become aware of these secret agendas, and opinions are swayed by any means necessary. It's one of those, "the ends justifies the means scenarios". To keep with the Chess metaphor, the key to winning is in the use and sacrifice of the pons.

 

[darkbeaver]

I believe in the manipulation of the pawns by the popular Media, it,s well documeted and entrenched. We in NorthAmerica do not have comparable reserves of oil that would compell this Russian Chinese alliance to invade continental North America. All this alliance has to do is prevent American control of mid-east reserves. If the Russian Chinese alliance cuts off the oil the empire dies.
While I,am like yourself preparing for the near future, it is not to survive nuclear strikes or invasion by Reds but the very real assault of the local capitalist pigs like the power corporation etc;.

 

[PoisonPete2]

Re: RE: Plans For Iran

We in NorthAmerica do not have comparable reserves of oil that would compell this Russian Chinese alliance to invade continental North America. All this alliance has to do is prevent American control of mid-east reserves. If the Russian Chinese alliance cuts off the oil the empire dies.
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RESPONSE: actually, there are gigantic, Huge (really big) reserves of fossil fuels in North America. Untapped oil, tar sands, and enough high quality coal to meet North American needs well past the next century. But why would we develop these resources when we can exhaust the resources of other nations? If it takes an expense of a hundred billion dollars to run a war to capture a trillion dollars of oil, then war becomes an investment. If you can capture the oil with a few political assassinations and the threat of nukes, all the cheaper. America has learned a few lessons from their Iraq invasion. 1> propaganda and fear are very effective tools to manipulate their own people 2> you do not need to overextend your military resources by occupying an entire country.
When America invades Iran, they will just take the southern section as a rump for Iraq. They are grooming the Shah's son for a return to Iran as the great liberator. They will push for economic partnership with China and Russia. It may not work out so clean and neat (Iraq didn't), but you do what you gotta do and hope for the best.

But that is only oil. It's fresh water that will be the real flashpoint for the superpowers.

 

[darkbeaver]

Commercial exploitation of the tar sands is impossibly expensive, while those reserves are certainly there you and I will never burn them, in the commercial sense they are not comparable to middle eastern reserves. I agree that water is a realy big thing, a real fundamental thing.

 

[the caracal kid]

AF,
when it comes to conspiracies, it is not what i really did know, but what those weaving the conspiracy claim i knew. One of the key issues you missed in my example is that even if i had prior knowledge, there is no guarentee that helping that woman would result in my gaining the trinket. Governments can and do act in ways to increase the probability of their most desired outcomes, but they can not guarentee their desired outcomes.

As poisionpete pointed out, water will be a far more important issue than oil ever will be. To the conspiracy theorists though, the hype over oil will be seen as a diversion to keep people's attention off of water until it is "too late".

The one thing you do have correct is that the plebs are pawns.

 

[darkbeaver]

You can,t pump, and deliver water without oil.

 

[the caracal kid]

yes you can. you can pump water just fine without oil. besides, the oil will not be completely used up before water becomes an issue so there will be a transitionary period where water and oil will be available but water will be more valuable.

 

[darkbeaver]

You hope CK, waters already a problem, ask our UnclePercy from texas, I cut a water for oil deal with him this weekend.

 

[Alberta'sfinest]

The reason why I dismissed your points is because your comparing mud and snow. A cospiracy to work towards getting the trinket requires prior knowledge, which may or may have existed, and without witnesses you'd be a moron to suggest such a thing if nobody had any proof. Whether you were successful or not, is really irrelivant to whether you'd increase your odds or not. Governments on the other hand spend mass amounts of resources to gain that prior knowledge, and then even more money to create the best plan of action with that knowledge. It's not a matter of whether they're planning something, but more a matter of what are they planning. They all conspire so predicting their conspiracies is by default a conspiracy theory. Now if you worked like governments do, you would have sought out the information and conspired to get the trinket if it was important. Plan A would be to create a scenario in which you may acquire it without drawing attention, and would completely normal, much like I described above. If it failed, then they would simply find out where the trinket ended up and steal it, possibly kill anyone in the way if it had upmost importance to national security. I don't just think this is the way governments work, this is how they work. I'm merely making a best guess from the vast information that I've acquired about the situation were in. Since we can say almost for sure that in a resource crisis a country like china would have it's best chance by taking what it needs through war, this is most likely what they'll do. Since we have what they want, we are a target. Since our governments know this, probably for some time, they most certainly are planning for this situation and taking all steps necessary to limit their abilities to do just this. This would include creating an army for us to fight them, aswell as a strategy to limit their oil supplies needed to wage such a large scale war. We can see for ourselves that the US built up a mass populous in the face of disparity, aswell as creating propaganda to invade middle eastern countries with large oil reserves at all costs. Canada had a different stategy. Our strategy was to hold off on oil output to save our resources so that we'd have the necessary reserves to supply the US to gaurentee North Americas security, we even screwed our economy in the 80's to slow the increased production, when the scenario was pushed back from 1995 to 2005 after the US oil production peaked in the 70's, which slowed consumption and prolonged the event. We essentially perfectly planned it so that as we went to war we'd be at maximum capacity to fuel the war. Who doesn't remember the 10 years of poor economy over bad energy policy introduced by Trudeau that didn't make sense and resulted in that 10 year delay. It had a purpose. I live in Alberta and I work in the oil field sevices industry, and we are working full tilt. Due to my job, I actually know major players in the Oil industry and know exactly how things are going for the oil companies. I'm not drawing lines, I'm merely trying to explain our situation, and the most likely path we'll have to take to deal with the situation.
Water is also becoming a big problem, but I never did say the problem was exclusively oil, but all resources. The situation just sucks all around, and there isn't a way to avoid resource wars, so we've been preparing for them based on this view. It's a dillema, as there is no good choice, only choices that'll increase our odds. In my eyes, we only have a overpopulation problem, because if we had a smaller population, none of these problems would still exist. It actually makes sense to start a world war if this is the case.

 

[the caracal kid]

Well then, you might want to look into the Chinese investments in the Canadian energy industry. Yes, they want "our" oil, and they are aquiring it, no war necessary.

Trudeau? Your not another one of those that blames the industry collapse of the 80's on the NEP, are you?

 

[jimmoyer]

Hey Caracal Kid !!!

You went from beautiful to ugly. Wazzzuppy ?

Are you a changeling ?

Ahhhhh....

I guess I'll be in really hot water if I don't report this sighting to the Mother Ship. I hate myself for this.
Great bind you put me in.


Man, they're not gonna like this....

 

[Alberta'sfinest]

They have to buy it though, and if the price of oil destroys their economy, they'll take it by any means to allow for the countinuation of their modernization. They have 281 million people fit for military service, so they have the means to do this. As the price of oil increases, non oil producing nations economies will start recessing, making oil even more money for them as their dollar rapidly devalues. Once China starts to go into a permanent recession because of the oil prices, they will soon find themselves in a situation of not being able to afford anything, even food. They would be in a situation of invade and take land that is arable to feed their population, or allow most of them to starve. Right as we speak, China is building a very large army, the fastest growing army anyone has ever seen. Building of such a large army isn't done for protection, only for invasion. I think we'll see things heat up in the middle east before China throws itself into the ring. I think the US will be in Iran this spring or summer. The US is going to have a recession this summer from the fallout from Hurricane Katrina last year, when oil prices spiked. History shows that their is always a recession on average of about 12 months after a dramatic oil price increase. This is going to cause the US dollar to devalue, which is why everyone wants to drop the US dollar as a trade currency. If this happened, the US situation would become a depression. I think it's likely that the US will move on Iran before they can do this. I don't think the US is going to let it's economy fail without a fight. Bush and the Iranian dictator also want to start armageddon to bring the coming of Christ for Christians, and the return of muhammed for the muslims. If these two men want this to happen, they have more than enough power to make this possible. Civilization as we know it has peaked, so this is the exact scenario of what both holy books speak of, so I'm more than certain that this is how it's going to be. Its a waiting game to see what's going to happen, and all we can do is watch helplessly as the world implodes. I think Christ and muhammed are the same person, and I believe that he is here on earth as we do appear to be in the end times. I know everyone is going to say that everyone throughout history has always thought that about their time, but ours actually fits the discription perfectly, unlike any other time.
I know Christ is here as we speak because of Genetics. It's simple really, there are only so many different genes that create the makeup of our DNA. Most people aren't aware of this but there is a limited number of genetic possibilities before we actually end up with two exactly similar beings. If Jesus was a human being, and most likely had children after he was resurrected, which is known as the mirovingian bloodline, eventually those genes that made him devine would accumalate to form the Second Christ. The ethnicity may change, but the genetic disposition that makes Christ who he was, will come together once again to form Christ. This is most likely to happen when his genes have spread vast, and nearly all genetic possibilities have become present, or at the maximum human population that the earth can sustain, which we have now. Many of us have duplicated more than once, and nearly all possible variations of human is present right now. This explains what the bible meant by the dead would be raised and all would be alive to be judged in the end times, good and bad. Almost every possible combination is present right now, including Christ. And what do you think modern Geneticists would do with this idea in mind, they'd look for him. The mirovingian bloodline was very prominant and made up the royalty of europe, so it's not that hard to track down and eliminate the possibilities. By using geneology as a guide, they could limit the possibilities to a smaller group and keep close tabs on them to weed out the candidates. With the right backing, they most likely have found him. Bush might not just be hoping for Christ to present himself to the world, but knows Christ is here and that he will do just that when the end times are played out.

 

[the caracal kid]

ok, AF.

skipping over the religious part of your post, there is nothing exciting or new in proposing that the US dollar may decline given bush has openly discussed devaluing the US dollar.

 

[Alberta'sfinest]

He didn't openly discuss the results of a devalued US dollar. A weak US dollar is a sign of a weakening economy, and will result in a permanent recession, and eventually a depression that will be unescapeable. When the US economy crumbles, all of the Nations which it supports through the mass consumerism of goods that takes place in the US will also suffer the same fate, and just about every country will go broke. This isn't a minor problem, this is a major world economic disaster. Most countries won't even have enough money even to maintain their food distribution systems, and it's gonna get real ugly. I'd put a lot of money on the world being in all out war by around 2009, that's about how long we can cheat reality. I'm all ears to any peaceful solutions to the worlds predicament, but I see none, and I don't think anyone will be able to find it within the few short years we have. I think the US will invade anyone it figures it needs to to keep it's head above water. Since Iran is in the sights, I'd say that it won't be long before the bombs start falling. The US really has absolutely nothing to lose by going to war, so there is no detterant, and it's their best option. What other solution do they have? You'd probably win a Nobel prize if you could find one.

 

[the caracal kid]

you should read the economist, AF.

 

[shortmanx5]

just dont get where people are coming from when they say the U.S is going into a recession or a depression?? Also when people say the world is going to drop the dollar for the euro, where did you come up with that. The U.S econ is doing great but it isnt doing all that bad. No country would have the balls to drop the dollar for the euro, Britian which is part of the eu doesnt even use it. The only reason people throw that out there is because they simply just dont like the U.S and would just love if they could regain power for their countries which we now hold. It wont happen you can talk about it all you want ,but its more like a dream.