Pickton: Found Guilty - Second Degree

[warrior_won]

Picton is a scumbag and he deserves life. But finding body parts on his farm only prove he was involved, not that he was the killer. I never heard any evidence that proves Picton actually killed these women. Maybe he did, but maybe he didn't. It doesn't make sense that he actually did this by himself.

I never heard any evidence at all. I wasn't there. I have no idea what the Crown presented. Not a bloody clue. All I know, from reading little snippets of published reports, is that not all of the females there were murdered. Some were, some weren't.

I have no idea if Pickton was the killer. No idea whatsoever. But the Crown obviously presented enough evidence to secure a conviction on six counts of second degree murder. So there was no doubt in the jurys mind that he was the killer.

There was some doubt, obviously, over whether he planned the killings prior to committing them. And you can't convict a man if there's doubt. The jury has to be certain beyond a reasonable doubt. Apparently there was enough doubt that they could only find him guilty of second degree murder.

I suspect what happened is that someone Picton knows killed a prostitute at one of his parties. Picton disposed of the body rather than going to the cops. He probably got paid serious cash and decided disposing bodies was a lucurative business. People into killing prostitutes began using Picton as a disposal service.

I can make ignorant guesses too. My guess is that Pickton took a prostitute out into the barn for a little hanky panky. Things got out of hand when he couldn't get an erection. In a sexual frenzy he gave her a swat across the face and she fell backwards over the pig. The pig then became agitated and tore a chunk out of her thigh. When Pickton saw this, he panicked. He didn't want pig feces to get into the open wound and cause an infection. So he grabbed a syringe which just happened to be close by, and filled it with windshield washer fluid. He then injected this into the prostitute thinking that it would serve as an antithestic.

The body of the prostitute than began to convulse wildly until the protitute tragically died. Pickton didn't know what to do. He couldn't call 911 because he had been using drugs. He was afraid that he would be arrested for drug use, and there would be no one to care for the pigs while he was in jail. So he decided the best course of action was to dismember the body and allow the pig to finish it off.

Of course, this is just speculation.

 

[warrior_won]

injecting people with foreign substances that you've found to be good for killing in the past... that's premeditation. Why he chose only certain murder victims is a mystery warrior, but it doesn't mean that just because he/they was/were picky, that they didn't bring them there to screen them for murder. Maybe there was just something about certain women he liked and he decided not to kill them. Not all serial killers kill everyone they get within their range. It doesn't change the fact that they're still out to murder.

Not neccesarily. We don't know that he killed more than one victim with windshield washer fluid. The other victims could have died by other means.

You can't just assume that he brought the girls to the farm to be killed. You have to know that he brought the girls to the farm to be killed. If you don't know, then there's doubt. And if there's doubt, he's not guilty.

Read my theory on what happened. It's quite possible that the death was an accident. It's quite possible that the windshield fluid was injected as a rudimentary attempt at first aid. There was no evidence to suggest that Pickton knew the windshield washer fluid would kill her. He only stated that he "discovered" that injecting windshield washer fluid was a good way to kill junkies. Is it not possible that he made this discovery by accident? Is it not possible that he never intended to kill the junkie? Is it not possible that only one junkie died in this way?

Also, how do we know that Pickton meant to kill these junkies? It could very well be that he was merely trying to help them. Maybe he thought that he could cure them of their drug addictions? We know that Pickton is not a very intelligent man. Maybe he thought that injecting windshield washer fluid into her would clean out her system and free her of her dependence on heroin and crack? Who knows?

 

[Nuggler]

Read some interesting comments on the CBC "readers" do dad, and one, commenting on the finding of second degree said something like; 'ok, you can understand maybe the first or second woman being "second degree", but, from then on........come on!!.

Sort of makes sense.

Ya think?

:argue:

Also, quite a few respondents hope they don't spend millions more on trials concerning the deaths of the next 20 women, as Picky will never again breathe free air, and so; case closed.
What's the odds on that?:read2:

 

[MikeyDB]

Hey Nuggler....how's it goin eh?

What difference would it make to have the trial and everything associated with it removed from "the news" entirely? Wouldn't the lawyers and the cops and the people sifting through the detritus for forensic evidence still get paid and still get to the same place...?

It's a media circus so that lawyers can make more money and someone gets to write a book a screenplay or a made-for-TV-movie and in the final analysis absolutely nothing will change.

Circle Jerk....

Have a good one Nuggler...

 

[warrior_won]

Personally, it wouldn't matter to me if Pickton was acquitted. If the jury had come back and said not guilty, I would still hold the position that justice had been served.

These women were prostitutes and drug addicts. Their deaths probably didn't leave many mourning their loss. Pickton probably did society a favour by offing them.

Just think of it as 49 women that the taxpayers won't have to house and feed when they're busted for drugs or prostitution. Just think of it as 49 women that the taxpayers won't have to provide free healthcare coverage for. In a very real sense, their deaths were a good thing.

If it sounds like I don't care that these women are dead, that's because I don't.

 

[DurkaDurka]

These women were prostitutes and drug addicts. Their deaths probably didn't leave many mourning their loss. Pickton probably did society a favour by offing them.

Just think of it as 49 women that the taxpayers won't have to house and feed when they're busted for drugs or prostitution. Just think of it as 49 women that the taxpayers won't have to provide free healthcare coverage for. In a very real sense, their deaths were a good thing.

Warrior, you are scum.

Judging by the family members present at the trial, these women were not forgotten nor will they be. Condoning the actions of a serial killer because you deemed him to have done a favour to society is disgusting & totally wrong.

 

[warrior_won]

Warrior, you are scum.

I've said the same thing of others who hold that crime is okay. It had no effect on them. It will have no effect on me. When in Rome, as they say.

Judging by the family members present at the trial, these women were not forgotten nor will they be. Condoning the actions of a serial killer because you deemed him to have done a favour to society is disgusting & totally wrong.

"The coldness of his words... The message in his silence... 'Face the candle to the wind'..."

 

[MikeyDB]

Durka...Hi!

Seems we have as I think it was Beve who said ...something about justice....

The decision/involvement in making choices about who will live and who will die AND who SHOULD LIVE and WHO SHOULD DIE FOR MILLIONS OF PEOPLE we don't even know....

Pragmatically, what Warrior_Won has said is the very same thing with respect to how Canadians feel about sending our young people to kill people in other nations around the world, and yes that's become a way of existence for everyone. The reason every life has value is because of the nature of life...of itself. Everyone's life will interact and interrelate with everything else....

Rejecting this fundamental characteristic of my personal philosophy isn't required "belief" on anyone else's point of view. Women children the unfortunate the poor the elderly the infirm....have always existed...as have all the maladies of this experience. If we don't embrace this belief in the sacredness of all life where it's needed most....if not now when?

 

[warrior_won]

The decision/involvement in making choices about who will live and who will die AND who SHOULD LIVE and WHO SHOULD DIE FOR MILLIONS OF PEOPLE we don't even know....

"Death is the first dance, eternal"

Pragmatically, what Warrior_Won has said is the very same thing with respect to how Canadians feel about sending our young people to kill people in other nations around the world, and yes that's become a way of existence for everyone. The reason every life has value is because of the nature of life...of itself. Everyone's life will interact and interrelate with everything else....

"The city's cold blood teaches us to survive."

Rejecting this fundamental characteristic of my personal philosophy isn't required "belief" on anyone else's point of view. Women children the unfortunate the poor the elderly the infirm....have always existed...as have all the maladies of this experience. If we don't embrace this belief in the sacredness of all life where it's needed most....if not now when?

"Before the leaves have fallen, before we lock the doors, there must be the third and last dance. This one will last forever.

It can only take place when the struggle between our children has ended. Now the Miracle and the Sleeper know..."

 

[DurkaDurka]

Warrior, I am so in awe of your ability to reply to posts with lyrics from a crappy 80's rock band, keep it up.

 

[warrior_won]

Warrior, I am so in awe of your ability to reply to posts with lyrics from a crappy 80's rock band, keep it up.

Danke, herr DurkaDurka. I figure a "crappy 80's rock band" is better than a truly crappy 21st Century rock band. Know what I mean?

At least Dream Theatre had vocalists that could actually sing. Lyricists who could actually think and write. Musicians that could actually play their instruments with some demonstrated skill and talent. Imagine how much worse my replies would be if I were quoting bands like Boys Like Girls, Fall Out Boy, etcetera? Get the picture?

It's the music, stupid!





By the way, Dream Theatre is NOT an 80's band. Their first album was released in 1989. The song I quoted was from an album released in 1992. Their most recent album was released in 2007. Bet you dollars to donuts that Fall Out Boy won't be releasing a new album ten years from now. Ten years from now, it will be Fall Out Who?

 

[DurkaDurka]

Danke, herr DurkaDurka. I figure a "crappy" 80's rock band is better than a truly crappy 21st Century rock band. Know what I mean?

At least Dream Theatre had vocalists that could actually sing. Lyricists who could actually think and write. Musicians that could actually play their instruments with some demonstrated skill and talent. Imagine hw much worse my replies would be if I were quoting bands like Boys Like Girls, Fall Out Boy, etcetera? Get the picture?

It's the music, stupid!

I guess 80's scrape Metal is cool again! Keep rocking like it's 1985 dude!

 

[lone wolf]

Personally, it wouldn't matter to me if Pickton was acquitted. If the jury had come back and said not guilty, I would still hold the position that justice had been served.

These women were prostitutes and drug addicts. Their deaths probably didn't leave many mourning their loss. Pickton probably did society a favour by offing them.

Just think of it as 49 women that the taxpayers won't have to house and feed when they're busted for drugs or prostitution. Just think of it as 49 women that the taxpayers won't have to provide free healthcare coverage for. In a very real sense, their deaths were a good thing.

If it sounds like I don't care that these women are dead, that's because I don't.

Y'know, this crap just blew any credibility you may have been trying to win. Heat reads this attitude, kangaroo court is the least of your worries.:roll:

Woof!

 

[DurkaDurka]

Bet you dollars to donuts that Fall Out Boy won't be releasing a new album ten years from now. Ten years from now, it will be Fall Out Who?

Well, seeing that I have never listened to any of "fallout boys" songs, I could care less.

I admit though that I love seeing old farts implode when someone dares insult music from their time.

DREAM THEATER FOREVER--LONG LIVE THE MULLET

 

[warrior_won]

I guess 80's scrape Metal is cool again! Keep rocking like it's 1985 dude!

I suppose you know very little about music. You probably listen to pop/rock radio stations religiously and believe that everything they play is the creme de la creme of what is currently available. That's okay. Some people just like crap. I'm not going to knock you for your poor taste. It's definitely your right.

For the record, Dream Theatre has released over 13 full length albums and several singles. Their first album was released in 1989, and their most recent in 2007. Their previous five albums were released in 2006, 2005, 2004, 2003, and 2002. That's one new album per year for the last... Oh, six years?

 

[DurkaDurka]

I haven't listened to a radio in years, so wrong again on that count.

While I am quite impressed with their longevity, I just listened to one of their tracks and I damn near wanted to kill my self. It seems that Dream Theater would have been better suited for when Rush was the craze, they both share similar shades of obnoxious.

 

[warrior_won]

I haven't listened to a radio in years, so wrong again on that count.

While I am quite impressed with their longevity, I just listened to one of their tracks and I damn near wanted to kill my self. It seems that Dream Theater would have been better suited for when Rush was the craze, they both share similar shades of obnoxious.

What is it that you find appealing? Nickelback? Sum 41? Fall Out Boy? The Killers? Yes, we live in the era where sh-it floats to the top!

Oh, and you know why sh-it floats right? It's the air! Give sh-it a lot of air and it floats! Take an ugly woman and put her on television, and thousands of guys instantly think she's a goddess. Doesn't make her an attractive woman though, does it?