Photos from www.lebanonembassyus.org

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So what's your point? War is not a day in the park? War is something to be avioded? Thanks for clearing that up.

The before and after pictures of Dahieh are very suspicious looking. I'm not a forensic expert, but for one thing, they line up almost perfectly. Very rarely do before and after satellite photos line up so well. Secondly, look at the shadows of the buildings. On the before picture they all flow perfectly towards the lower left of the photo. On the after pictures, the shadows are all haphazard, pointing in different directions and varying in length, as though it was a different time of day in different parts of the city.

This war has coined a new english word: fauxtography.

Here's an example of how low they can go. A little girl who died in an accident at play is presented as having been killed by Israeli's.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=22036&only

And BS from the BBC about the extent of damage:

http://drinkingfromhome.blogspot.com/2006/08/orla-guerin-busted.html

Then of course there's green helmut guy, who appears a couple of times in your presentation.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=22123_Green_Helmet_Admits_Staging_Photos&only

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2006/07/milking-it.html

This about sums it up:

http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...olumn?coll=la-news-columns&ctrack=1&cset=true

It's worth noting in this context that there is no similar flow of propagandistic images coming from the Israeli side of the border. That's because one side — the democratically elected government of Israel — views death as a tragedy and the other — the Iranian financed terrorist organization Hezbollah — sees it as an opportunity.

http://www.aish.com/movies/JP/PhotoFraud.asp

The death of innocent civilians in Lebanon is tragic. Exploiting images of those deaths for propaganda is slime.
 

#juan

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Just the Facts said:
So what's your point? War is not a day in the park? War is something to be avioded? Thanks for clearing that up.

The before and after pictures of Dahieh are very suspicious looking. I'm not a forensic expert, but for one thing, they line up almost perfectly. Very rarely do before and after satellite photos line up so well. Secondly, look at the shadows of the buildings. On the before picture they all flow perfectly towards the lower left of the photo. On the after pictures, the shadows are all haphazard, pointing in different directions and varying in length, as though it was a different time of day in different parts of the city.

This war has coined a new english word: fauxtography.

Here's an example of how low they can go. A little girl who died in an accident at play is presented as having been killed by Israeli's.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=22036&only

And BS from the BBC about the extent of damage:

http://drinkingfromhome.blogspot.com/2006/08/orla-guerin-busted.html

Then of course there's green helmut guy, who appears a couple of times in your presentation.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=22123_Green_Helmet_Admits_Staging_Photos&only

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2006/07/milking-it.html

This about sums it up:

http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...olumn?coll=la-news-columns&ctrack=1&cset=true

It's worth noting in this context that there is no similar flow of propagandistic images coming from the Israeli side of the border. That's because one side — the democratically elected government of Israel — views death as a tragedy and the other — the Iranian financed terrorist organization Hezbollah — sees it as an opportunity.

http://www.aish.com/movies/JP/PhotoFraud.asp

The death of innocent civilians in Lebanon is tragic. Exploiting images of those deaths for propaganda is slime.

Satellite photos are a bit like astrphotography which I do a lot of. It is simple to pick two ort three permanent landmarks to line up the photos. As well, the photos were taken three weeks apart and I don't know the time of day each photo was taken. I see nothing suspicious about the two pictures. I don't think there is any "fauxtography" .here.
 

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#juan said:
I don't think there is any "fauxtography" .here.

Fair enough. Like I said I'm no forensic analyst. :)

Just some of the shadows seemed funny to me, but it may well just be buildings behind other buildings playing tricks with the light.
 

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Don't get me wrong, there are certainly many examples of "fauxtography" around. One of the probable causes of this "art" is the use of locals to get photographic work for stories. The more spectacular the photo, the more money will be paid. Not exactly great journalistic motivation when a few "good" shots might feed a few families for a month.
 

earth_as_one

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With so much destruction, you would think it would be easier to get real pictures rather than make fake pictures.

The source is the Lebanese Embassy in Washington D.C.

Only an extremely callous person could look at those pictures and not empathize with the innocent victims.

So what's your point? War is not a day in the park? War is something to be avioded? Thanks for clearing that up....
... Exploiting images of those deaths for propaganda is slime...

I can think of a few reasons why voting age Canadians should see those pictures.

If Harper says Israel's response was measured, then Canadians should be aware of what measured means.

Imagine if 9/11 happened and few images ever made the news? In effect that's how our news covered Lebanon's suffering. Our news did a poor job conveying the level of human suffering.

If you agree that Israel has a right to do what it did, then you should at least be aware of what Israel did.

Part of the reason so many people favor killing other people is they have no idea.

Its easier to ignore the suffering of fellow human beings if you can't see them. Try ignoring a mother holding her child's body.
 

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Re: RE: Photos from www.lebanonembassyus.org

earth_as_one said:
Only an extremely callous person could look at those pictures and not empathize with the innocent victims.

Everyone empathizes with innocent victims, but to use images of those victims for propaganda by plastering them all over the media is disgusting. There are dead and maimed in Israel as well, how come we don't see them all over the media? Why don't you show the pictures of the Lebanese desecrating the body parts of the dead Israeli soldiers?

Everyone understands that war is hell and should be avoided if at all possible. Showing dead people just doesn't make a point when discussing geo-politics. You blame Israel, I blame Hezbollah. Pictures of dead babies don't change a thing in that regard. Ergo my question, whats your point? War sucks? We agree on that.
 

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Just think,if the hezbolla would have returned the two Israeli soldiers this would not have happened. Who's at fault,the idf or the zealots in Lebanon? If you hang out with scum,bad shit happens.I sympathize with the civilians,but if they back Hezbolla again they deserve everythhing that comes thier way.
 

earth_as_one

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Re: RE: Photos from www.lebanonembassyus.org

Just the Facts said:
earth_as_one said:
Only an extremely callous person could look at those pictures and not empathize with the innocent victims.

Everyone empathizes with innocent victims, but to use images of those victims for propaganda by plastering them all over the media is disgusting. If Lebanon's government posted them their Washington D.C. embassy website, then I think their intent is to be seen by Americans and the western media. It wouldn't be necessary to post them, except, Israeli apologists deny the suffering of Lebanese. The photos are evidence of war crimes.

There are dead and maimed in Israel as well, how come we don't see them all over the media?

Israel's casualties have made the news. But the reason Lebanon's casualties got more coverage is due to scale. The number of Israeli civilian casualties from this battle was about the same as the number Israel loses to car accidents.
278 Road Fatalities
1260 Seriously Injured
TO DATE THIS YEAR IN ISRAEL !
Updated July 31, 2005

http://www.israelroadsafety.org/

During the month long battle, Hezbollah caused 44 civilian deaths. But Hezbollah also managed to kill around 120 Israeli soldiers. Meanwhile Israel spent $5.7 Billion to kill 74 Hezbollah militants and caused 1,140 civilian deaths. Israel also destroyed more Lebanese infrastructure by several orders of magnitude.

This battle was a tragedy for Israelis and Lebanese, as in in the way that a car crash and a passenger jet crash are both tragedies.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Israel-Lebanon_conflict

http://www.zeenews.com/znnew/articles.asp?aid=317324&sid=WOR


Why don't you show the pictures of the Lebanese desecrating the body parts of the dead Israeli soldiers? Honest I have not seen those pictures. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but I think their is a huge difference between atrocities committed by soldiers against soldiers and atrocities committed by soldiers against civilians.

Everyone understands that war is hell and should be avoided if at all possible. I disagree that everyone understands this.

57% Americans support military action in Iran
By Greg Miller, Times Staff Writer
January 27 2006
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/821b8e1c-8f47-11da-b430-0000779e2340.html

Showing dead people just doesn't make a point when discussing geo-politics. You blame Israel, I blame Hezbollah.

I blame Israel and the US for Lebanese deaths because these people were killed by American bombs dropped by Israeli pilots.

I blame Israel for Lebanese civilian deaths because Hezbollah killed fewer civilians and more soldiers than Israel did. That proves Israel doesn't need to kill so many civilians to fight a war.

I blame Israel because Israel had been killing Lebanese civilians for nearly two days before Hebollah fired its first rocket at Israeli citizens. That proves Israel targeted civilians first.

I suspect Israel could commit any war crime and Israeli apologists would not blame them.


Pictures of dead babies don't change a thing in that regard. Ergo my question, whats your point? War sucks? We agree on that.

Pictures of dead babies change everything. It's proof that innocent people are dying. Without pictures of dead babies, Israeli apologist denials of war crimes might be believed. Not showing pictures of Israeli war crimes in the western media is a form of selective omission propaganda.

If those were pictures were of Hezbollah war crimes against Israeli civilians, I'm sure those photos would have made the front pages.
 

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Re: RE: Photos from www.lebanonembassyus.org

wallyj said:
Just think,if the hezbolla would have returned the two Israeli soldiers this would not have happened. Who's at fault,the idf or the zealots in Lebanon? If you hang out with scum,bad shit happens.I sympathize with the civilians,but if they back Hezbolla again they deserve everythhing that comes thier way.

How do you know Israel wouldn't have eventually bombed Lebanon even without successful Hezbollah commando raid? The evidence supports the conclusion that a decision had already be made to bomb Lebanon before raid.

In order to bomb so many targets so fast all over Lebanon, Israeli generals had to have been following a plan. That means the decision to bomb Lebanon had been made earlier and was waiting for a trigger. Hezbollah provided that trigger by doing something that they had done many times in the past. The evidence supports the conclusion that the decision to execute the bomb Lebanon plan in response to a routine event had been made earlier.