http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/310305draftneeded.htm
I sure am glad my kids are not US citizens :roll:
I sure am glad my kids are not US citizens :roll:
Pentagon Says There Will Be A Draft
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I'd be surprised. The draft has usually been a democratic party thing. The whole idea of a "citizen army" composed of the masses etc. While the volunteer army has been a republican ideal: a well paid, volunteer, loyal, professional, politically conservative elite. FDR, Truman and LBJ were major users of conscription in recent history while there was just a peacetime draft under Ike (just ask Elvis if you see him).
I found nothing in the article that suggest the Pentagon says there "will" be a draft.
However, I did find........
military officials have denied any plans to revive the draft,
"The 'D-word' is the farthest thing from my thoughts," Army Secretary Francis Harvey said at a Pentagon press briefing last week.
During his re-election campaign, President Bush declared flatly that he would not reinstate the draft. And there is little support for conscription on Capitol Hill.
I think the most important quote from the article is this...
Korb is a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, a "liberal" think tank
First of all, it's not the Pentagon that saying this it's some analysts. There are hundreds of analysts and if you choose to hear all of them out, you will eventually hear what you "want" to hear.
Just look at economic analysts. Some guy came out yesterday and claimed that oil will hit $105 by the end of the year. Others say it will drop to under $30 per barrel.
Actually it wasn't "some guy", it was Goldman Sachs, a major investment banking institution. They also didn't say, "by the end of the year," they said it could happen in a few years if demand keeps growing and supply remains unstable.
That's the thing about analysis...you have to look at various factors and justify your position. Now let's apply that to the draft. What are the facts we know?
1) Enlistment is way down.
2) Bush's foreign policy is very dependent on the military.
3) The US is bogged down in the quagmire in Iraq.
4) The draft is about the only way that Bush can get people into the military if they won't sign up themselves.
5) The situation will become critical about halfway through next year.
So if you look at those facts and have to do an analysis of the situation, what will that analysis be? That Bush will have to re-instate the draft or drastically change his foreign policy. Since he's shown no sign of changing foreign policy, that pretty much leaves the draft.
Instituting the draft would be politcal suicide for the Republicans.
Plus, Bush could just get up and leave Iraq and leave them to their own devices.
Having said that, there are thousands of US troops stationed all over the world. They could just as easily relocate them.
It's not as if they need more soldiers. There's a crunch because the soldiers that are in Iraq today have been there for too long. Reassign some troops from Germany.
Plus, Bush could just get up and leave Iraq and leave them to their own devices.
Having said that, there are thousands of US troops stationed all over the world. They could just as easily relocate them.
It's not as if they need more soldiers. There's a crunch because the soldiers that are in Iraq today have been there for too long. Reassign some troops from Germany.
bah! Like bush would ever leave Iraq, he is not there for the Iraq people he is there for their oil...its called stealing another country's natural resources. But who cares right, as long as its stolen in the name of demoracy. :roll: Its a dumb ass tricked called hiding a bad motive under a good one.
Same tune as “Feeling Like I’m Fixin to Die Rag” by Country Joe and the Fish
Yeah, come on all of you, big strong men,
Uncle Sam needs your help again.
We got misled with a load of crock
Way down yonder in Iraq
So put down your mop and pick up a gun,
We're gonna have a whole lotta fun.
CHORUS:
And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, it's time to rock
Next stop is Iraq;
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.
Well, come on generals, let's move fast;
Your big chance has come at last.
Gotta go out and kill a raghead -
The only good arab is the one who's dead
And you know that peace can only be won
When we've blown 'em all to kingdom come.
REPEAT CHORUS
Well, come on Wall Street, don't move slow,
Why man, this is war au-go-go.
There's plenty good money to be made
By supplying the Army with the tools of the trade,
Just hope and pray that the bomb is smart,
And won't blow up wal-mart.
REPEAT CHORUS
Come on moms, it's a patriots feast,
Pack your kids off to the middle east.
Come on fathers, don't hesitate,
Send 'em off before it's too late.
Be the first one on your block
To have your boy come home in a box.
REPEAT CHORUS
No-bid contract, give troops some food
And control Eye-rack's bubblin' crude.
Occupation costs begin to mount
And fatten Cheney's bank account.
Who cares if Saddam had WMD,
It's a Halliburton Vic-tor-eee.
Yeah, come on all of you, big strong men,
Uncle Sam needs your help again.
We got misled with a load of crock
Way down yonder in Iraq
So put down your mop and pick up a gun,
We're gonna have a whole lotta fun.
CHORUS:
And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, it's time to rock
Next stop is Iraq;
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.
Well, come on generals, let's move fast;
Your big chance has come at last.
Gotta go out and kill a raghead -
The only good arab is the one who's dead
And you know that peace can only be won
When we've blown 'em all to kingdom come.
REPEAT CHORUS
Well, come on Wall Street, don't move slow,
Why man, this is war au-go-go.
There's plenty good money to be made
By supplying the Army with the tools of the trade,
Just hope and pray that the bomb is smart,
And won't blow up wal-mart.
REPEAT CHORUS
Come on moms, it's a patriots feast,
Pack your kids off to the middle east.
Come on fathers, don't hesitate,
Send 'em off before it's too late.
Be the first one on your block
To have your boy come home in a box.
REPEAT CHORUS
No-bid contract, give troops some food
And control Eye-rack's bubblin' crude.
Occupation costs begin to mount
And fatten Cheney's bank account.
Who cares if Saddam had WMD,
It's a Halliburton Vic-tor-eee.
If anything happens regarding the military it's almost a reflex for them to DENY it, no matter how insignificant. Just because they deny it today doesn't mean you're safe tomorrow. After all their track record with being straight up isn't that good.
RE: Pentagon Says There W
Well if "W" intends to possibley "clean up" Iran, NK or take on China over Taiwan or if the illegal occupation in Iraq goes on much longer he will have to re-instate the draft, the only other choice is not to let anyone leave the forces period.
I see a draft coming. There really is no alternative, especially if another American made crisis is started somewhere else.
Well if "W" intends to possibley "clean up" Iran, NK or take on China over Taiwan or if the illegal occupation in Iraq goes on much longer he will have to re-instate the draft, the only other choice is not to let anyone leave the forces period.
I see a draft coming. There really is no alternative, especially if another American made crisis is started somewhere else.
Although I believe oil had something to do with it, you have to admit that a lot of people were wrong. Many peope claimed that the US went into Iraq ro keep oil prices low, now those exact same people are claiming that they went in to keep oil prices high.
The least they could do is keep their conspiracy theories consistant.
Unless, I'm mistaken, not a single drop of oil has made it to the US. Even if, the US does profit from Iraqi oil, it would take over a decade to recoup the amount of money they are pouring into Iraq to rebuild it.
You can hate the US all you want, but I would defy you to name me any other country that wins a war and sticks around to rebuild it. The US rebuilt Germany and Japan also.
RE: Pentagon Says There W
The US sure as hell wan't the only country that stuck around in Germany.
Oil is cheaper than it would have been if Iraq hadn't been invaded. It also serves to prop up the failing US dollar. Most importantly though, and this is part of Wolfowitz's PNAC plan, it gives the US control over the resource so they can keep it from their competitors.
The US sure as hell wan't the only country that stuck around in Germany.
Oil is cheaper than it would have been if Iraq hadn't been invaded. It also serves to prop up the failing US dollar. Most importantly though, and this is part of Wolfowitz's PNAC plan, it gives the US control over the resource so they can keep it from their competitors.
But they WERE there.
You can't possibly believe this. Before there was talk of the invasion, oil was hovering under $30, now it has doubled in price over the past 3 or 4 years.
That is completely inaccurate. Speculators hold oil and gold as a hedge against the US dollar. Higher oil prices mean a lower US dollar.
So were we. What the hell is wrong with you?
How much would have have risen if Iraqi oil weren't available? The only possib;e answer is "MORE".
Iraq had switched to the Euro and was encouraging other oil-producing nations to do the same. They were pushing for OPEC to make the official changeover, giving a lot of impetus to Chavez's push, which would have made the Euro the defacto currency of the planet. Chavez had a lot of pull within OPEC, since he pretty much single handedly resurrected it. Iraq, because of it's oil resources, represented the power to drive Opec to the Euro.
The US knew it couldn't maintain the sanctions for much longer...the entire world was complaining about them because they weren't working.
Don't piss around, crit...some of us are old enough that we taught our dogs that "Boutros Boutros Ghali" meant milkbone. Those dogs have a far better grasp of the situation than you are exhibiting.
peapod said:
This is repeated repeatedly. Care to provide analysis and logic for this view? What is he doing with this theft of oil? Is he selling it for personal profit? How does he sneak the oil out of Iraq? Maybe he is not taking it covertly. Is he then just allowing American oil companies to pump oil at their leisure and for nothing? If that is the case, why hasn't Europe, China and the rest of the world demand he stop?
As for the impending draft…
The comments went from some military analysts who predict the necessity of a draft to “W” will reinstate the draft.
In the event some are not aware, it takes Congress to authorize a draft. The House of Representatives and the Senate would have to draft the legislation and both bodies would have to approve it by vote. Then it would require Bush’s signature before it could come to fruition. Bush could also veto the bill. Two different branches of government. Checks and balances.
Just six months ago, a House of Representatives bill (H.R. 163) to reinstate the draft was defeated 402-2. There is currently virtually no congressional support for a military draft. Never say “never” but I agree with ElPolaco on this one. It’s very unlikely the Republicans will allow a draft.