Pastor drowned pregnant wife: Crown

[Tecumsehsbones]

How 'bout we have more visions of Twila, Sal, and SLM slipping off their clothes in lavish, silk-draped boudoirs?

Beats hell out of all this women-hating, sex-fearing, repressed-homosexual Christian bullsh*t.

 

[Twila]

How 'bout we have more visions of Twila, Sal, and SLM slipping off their clothes in lavish, silk-draped boudoirs?

Beats hell out of all this women-hating, sex-fearing, repressed-homosexual Christian bullsh*t.

sure, but can you imagine me taller? with a bigger booty? tighter abs and......well I'll leave the rest up to you..

 

[Sal]

Well seeing as Manson is you never know. Never too late in that game.
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yeah this guy has about a quarter of Manson's IQ though

How 'bout we have more visions of Twila, Sal, and SLM slipping off their clothes in lavish, silk-draped boudoirs?

Beats hell out of all this women-hating, sex-fearing, repressed-homosexual Christian bullsh*t.

sure, but can you imagine me taller? with a bigger booty? tighter abs and......well I'll leave the rest up to you..

I'm tall enough but all the rest...^ what she said if so, I'm there

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

sure, but can you imagine me taller? with a bigger booty? tighter abs and......well I'll leave the rest up to you..

Yes, indeed. About 185 cm, and as you face away from me to lift the sponge from the basin, the muscles of your back ripple, drawing perfect curves down to your strong, broad, taut derriere. And as you turn, your firm, full breasts stand up from your flat, smooth belly. And as you turn further. . .

I'll be in my bunk.

 

[Sal]

Yes, indeed. About 185 cm, and as you face away from me to lift the sponge from the basin, the muscles of your back ripple, drawing perfect curves down to your strong, broad, taut derriere. And as you turn, your firm, full breasts stand up from your flat, smooth belly. And as you turn further. . .

I'll be in my bunk.

with chilled champayne and strawberries correct?

and bunk sounds plebeian...way too small...step it up a bit dude, you're getting three fantasies

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

with chilled champayne and strawberries correct?

and bunk sounds plebeian...way too small...step it up a bit dude, you're getting three fantasies

No, dear. With my hand. The king-size bed with champagne silk drapes and satin sheets, and the champagne and chocolate-dipped strawberries are for our next encounter. Until then, it's just my hard, narrow bunk, and visions of your lines, and curves, and gentle swelling thighs, and rear, and belly, and boobs, and shoulders, and. . .

I'll be in my bunk.

Gotta say, turning this thread from a "discussion" of a murdering, stupid a$$hole to celebrating fantasies of the Ladies of CanCon may be the finest thing I've ever done here.

 

[spaminator]

Pastor's trial hears chilling 911 call, mistress testifies

By Michele Mandel, Toronto Sun First posted: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 09:16 PM EST | Updated: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 09:28 PM EST



TORONTO - His pregnant wife was still submerged when Philip Grandine called 911.


No, he hadn’t drained the bath water. No, he hadn’t tried to remove her from the tub. And no, he hadn’t tried to save Anna “Karissa” Grandine in any way.


Instead, it was the 911 operator who had to tell the cheating pastor to do all those things.


“I just came home and I was out running, and my wife was taking a bath, and when I came home, she’s in the bath, but she’s under the water and she’s not breathing,” Grandine cries on the chilling 911 tape played for the jury at his first-degree murder trial.


The dispatcher asks if he’s emptied the bathtub. “No, I haven’t,” he replies.


“Take the moment to do that now,” she tells him.


She then asks him to get his 29-year-old wife out of the tub. “Karissa, Karissa, no,” he weeps. “She’s five months pregnant.”


Three long minutes of sloshing water and grunts follow until Grandine gives up. “I can’t do it,” he insists. “She’s too heavy. She’s too slippery.”


The Crown alleges Grandine didn’t try too hard because he wanted her dead, that he had drugged and drowned his pregnant wife on Oct. 17, 2011 so he could be with his mistress, Toronto nanny Eileen Florentino. Court heard Wednesday their affair continued until Grandine broke it off in January 2012 — three months after Karissa had died.


Called as a prosecution witness, the petite Florentino looks eerily like her dead rival. And even now, three years and an alleged murder later, they can’t stop stealing glances at each other across the courtroom.


Florentino and her friends were church shopping, she told the court, when she first met Grandine and his wife at Ennerdale Baptist Church in the spring of 2011. She was soon confiding in her new pastor about her landlord problems. “I just wanted someone to talk to and he was there,” explained the meek 36-year-old, her voice so low that Justice Robert Clarke repeatedly reminded her to speak louder.


Grandine sent her an e-mail after their talk saying she was “loved.” They began exchanging messages, she said, “and that was the start of everything.”


They first consummated their affair in his car, Florentino told jurors, and the pastor cried about his guilt.


Just a few days later, they learned they’d been caught.


Karissa, an insurance underwriter, had discovered the illicit affair by going through her husband’s Yahoo messages — Grandine would chat with his lover in the basement of the marital home or when he told his wife he was going out for a run.


She confronted her husband and also sent Florentino a message over Facebook. The couple decided to stop seeing each other. “We were trying to do the right thing,” she said.


“How long did that last?” asked Crown attorney Donna Kellway.


“A few days,” Florentino admitted.


She was even outside the church’s closed door members’ meeting as Grandine wept and tendered his resignation for his unChristian conduct. He was going to go to marriage counselling and break off their relationship. “He said, ‘I love you but I don’t want you to go to hell for continuing in our sin,’” she told the jury. “We were trying so hard not to continue but temptation was very strong.”


The heart wants what the heart wants.


Their secret trysts resumed — with the pair even meeting while Karissa was hospitalized with unexplained confusion and fatigue at St. Mike’s just two days before she died. Court has heard tests after her death revealed the pregnant woman had traces of the sedative lorazepam in her system when she went to emergency on Oct. 14, 2011 and again when she drowned on the 17th.


She had never been prescribed the drug.


The Crown contends her husband, who also worked as a nurse at an old age home, had access to lorazepam and conducted online searches about what dosage would be fatal.


Florentino insisted Grandine never said anything about wanting to hurt Karissa and was “only joking” when he would tell her that he wanted to run away with her. But he certainly didn’t seem to mourn the loss of his wife for very long.


Just a few days after his emotional 911 call and the death of Karissa and their unborn child, Florentino said they were back having sex in his car.


michele.mandel@sunmedia.ca
Pastor's trial hears chilling 911 call, mistress testifies | Mandel | Toronto &

 

[shadowshiv]

Did he at least try to empty the water in the tub? Somehow I doubt it. What a scumwad.

 

[Harikrish]

Did he at least try to empty the water in the tub? Somehow I doubt it. What a scumwad.

Priests make better pedophiles than murderers. This one was caught quite easily.

 

[gerryh]

Priests make better pedophiles than murderers. This one was caught quite easily.

Do you even know what a pedophile is?

 

[Harikrish]

Do you even know what a pedophile is?

I suppose you want to share with us your experience. Start a new thread. You have tickled our curiosity.

 

[gerryh]

I suppose you want to share with us your experience. Start a new thread. You have tickled our curiosity.

You made the comment concerning priests and pedophilia. I want to know if you even know what a pedophile is as your general knowledge so far has been shown to be quite lacking.

 

[Harikrish]

You made the comment concerning priests and pedophilia. I want to know if you even know what a pedophile is as your general knowledge so far has been shown to be quite lacking.

Please share with us your experience. What I know about pedophilia may be less important than what you know and here is your opportunity to share it.

 

[gerryh]

Please share with us your experience. What I know about pedophilia may be less important than what you know and here is your opportunity to share it.

ok, another idiot troll.

 

[Harikrish]

ok, another idiot troll.

You appear to have changed your mind about sharing your experience and intimate knowledge of pedophilia. If you are not aspiring to become a priest what are you afraid of?

 

[gerryh]

You appear to have changed your mind about sharing your experience and intimate knowledge of pedophilia. If you are not aspiring to become a priest what are you afraid of?

I haven't changed anything. I'm still waiting for you to answer my question. I have the feeling, though, that without extensive research on your part, you won't be able to.

 

[Harikrish]

I haven't changed anything. I'm still waiting for you to answer my question. I have the feeling, though, that without extensive research on your part, you won't be able to.

All the research couldn't replace your personal experience. We wouldn't expect you to change anything. Just give us the details as it happened.

 

[spaminator]

Pastor searched web for escorts, fatal drug doses, trial told

By Michele Mandel, Toronto Sun First posted: Thursday, November 20, 2014 08:25 PM EST | Updated: Thursday, November 20, 2014 08:38 PM EST
TORONTO - Two days before drowning in her bathtub, Philip Grandine’s pregnant wife was hospitalized for a mysterious bout of confusion and extreme fatigue.
And while Anna Karissa Grandine was ailing, a computer account linked to her cheating husband was conducting Google searches for body rub parlours, searching TO****s.com for escort reviews and querying Wikipedia about how much Ativan would be fatal.
Toronto Police computer expert Sgt. Ravi Manoharan testified at Grandine’s first-degree murder trial that a computer was seized from his home months after his 29-year-old wife, Karissa, was discovered blue and without vital signs in their Scarborough bathtub on Oct. 17, 2011. Court heard the officer’s forensic search uncovered dozens and dozens of searches for autopsy, Ativan and lorazepam, its generic term.
Prosecutors allege Grandine, a nurse and former pastor, drugged and drowned his pregnant wife so he could be with his mistress and one-time parishioner, nanny Eileen Florentino. After Karissa discovered the affair, court heard he resigned his job as minister at Ennerdale Road Baptist Church. But Florentino has testified their secret trysts continued even as Grandine attended marital counselling.
Grandine has pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder.
Dr. Irving Gora testified that from the time Karissa came to him as her family doctor in 2002, he had never prescribed the sedative Ativan or lorazepam. Her obstetrician, Dr. Howard Berger, also told the court he hadn’t prescribed the drug.
Yet jurors have heard that toxicology reports after Karissa’s death found she had unprescribed lorazepam in her system. Blood samples taken a few days earlier during her hospitalization for disorientation and drowsiness were re-examined and lorazepam was found there as well, but at a lower level than that found at the time of her autopsy.
Court heard Karissa was so suspicious about her strange symptoms on Oct. 14 that she told her sister that she’d even challenged Grandine, who also worked as a registered practical nurse, asking if he’d drugged her.
The Crown alleges that indeed he had — with a dry run on Oct. 14 and then again three days later to make it easier to drown her. And they contend his plan was hatched at least a week earlier.
Back on Oct. 10, 2011, the police computer search found a user linked to Grandine’s account and password had asked wikianswers.com, “Would 100 mg. of Ativan be fatal?”
The user then asked if 85 mg of Ativan would be fatal and “will you die from 100 mg of lorazepam tabs?”
On the morning of Oct. 14, a user linked to his account was searching NowToronto.com for “body rubs” and melodymassage.com. By midday, court has heard Karissa felt so unwell that she went with her husband to the emergency room at St. Michael’s Hospital and was kept overnight. At 4:48 a.m., while she was at St. Mike’s, a user linked to Grandine’s computer account was searching for female escorts who “give u the ultimate experience” and at 4:51 a.m., was on to****s.com checking Toronto escort reviews.
Four hours after Karissa’s discharge, the user was back online, looking up lorazepam on Wikipedia.
To bolster their theory, the Crown called his former boss to help explain how Grandine could get hold of the prescribed drug.
O’Neill Centre administrator Catherine Fiore said Grandine worked there as an associate nurse manager, dispensing medication to seniors as well as being responsible for destroying the excess. The Toronto Police computer expert also testified that while searching Grandine’s computer folder, he found a June 2011 drug report listing O’Neill Centre residents and their medications, including lorazepam.
And there was another piece of evidence on the home computer.
Court has heard Grandine told police he was out running on the night his wife drowned and didn’t get home until 10:45 p.m. But a pornography filter installed on their home computer as a condition of marital counselling appeared to have been disabled about 40 minutes earlier.
On Sept. 28, 2011 — just over two weeks before Karissa died — their family doctor said Grandine came to his office complaining of depression.
“He stated there were some marital issues for which he’d been receiving counselling,” Gora recalled. “He said he was not sure if his wife would have been his first choice if he had to do it all over again.”
Read Mandel Wednesday through Saturday.
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[Harikrish]

The pastor will still go to heaven despite his heinous crime because according to the scriptures all sins are forgivable except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 12:31 And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.

 

[spaminator]

Wife's death her own fault, pastor's lawyer says
Either accident or suicide, court told
By Sam Pazzano, Toronto Sun
First posted: Thursday, November 27, 2014 07:23 PM EST | Updated: Thursday, November 27, 2014 07:54 PM EST
TORONTO - The pregnant wife of a cheating Baptist minister either killed herself or died accidentally after consuming a sedative and drowning, her husband’s defence lawyer argued Thursday.


Amit Thakore implored the jury to acquit his client of all charges stemming from the Oct. 17, 2011 bathtub drowning death of Anne “Karissa” Grandine at their Marsh Rd. home in Scarborough.


“You will not do justice to the family of Karissa Grandine or to the community by finding Philip Grandine guilty,” Thakore said.


“There’s only one verdict you should deliver in this case — not guilty.”


The prosecution has alleged that Grandine — who was also a nurse with access to the sedative lorazepam at his job — drugged and drowned his 29-year-old wife.


Thakore said it was the despondent wife who took the lorazepam and that she had been doing online research on the fatal dosage of the drug. The Crown alleges it was Philip Grandine who checked for fatal dosages on the home computer.


Thakore said the drugged wife took a bath and either bumped her head or slipped unconsciously into the water and died.


Lorazepam can cause drowsiness, reduced muscle control and dizziness, court heard.


“She was devastated by the affair that her husband was having (with her friend Eileen Florentino, a fellow parishioner) and further devastated by his use of pornography,” said Thakore.


Once Grandine revealed his affair, he was forced to resign as pastor and underwent marriage counselling with Karissa but continued his affair with Florentino, court heard.


Karissa Grandine concealed her suicidal thoughts through a smiling, brave face, but the double-dose of depressing news was too much for her, Thakore told court.


Philip Grandine took his sick wife to the hospital three days before her death and was acting as a compassionate husband who cared for his spouse and stayed home from work the next day, said Thakore.


“That is not the evidence of someone who is running a lab test on his wife — that’s the evidence of someone caring for his wife,” his lawyer said.


The prosecution will deliver its closing arguments Friday.


sam.pazzano@sunmedia.ca
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