Palin in 2012

[Francis2004]

Francis, I think it was easy for the Democratic base to switch from Hillary to Obama when it looked like he may be electable. Obama is more liberal, more to the left of Hillary.

On the Republican side however, Joan of Arc is so far to the right that it is difficult to conceive of anybody to the right of her who could still be considered electable. So it is highly unlikely that the base will switch away from her en masse. What is more likely is that there may be vote splitting by the Republican base among several far right candidates.

How could it have been easy for Democrats to switch..

Obama was painted as a radical with a Minister that was not helping and past acquaintances that were in trouble.. He was virtually unknown outside Illinois and only had the gift of being able to sell himself in discussion as his best asset..

Hillary Clinton had a full year campaigning start with a full kitty to go..

The difference was Obama had started to work the membership to those who would be crucial in his campaign and knew that networking and the Internet would be key to winning. While Hillary spent a lot of the upfront money with Bill, she was so confident, that she thought the race had ended when in fact it was barely started..

Palin is trying to make herself middle of the road and softer. I watched her interview the other night and she is trying to appeal to more centre of the road people.. "The common guys" who works for a living but also has everyday issues and is not as tough as she was made out to be by the McCain team. These tell all interviews will not make her friends and will surely get her enemies.

Personally I see Palin as damaged goods that can re-coop only with a really strong team. She hasn't shown that strong team yet so time will tell.

 

[EagleSmack]

Exactly EagleSmack, so you cannot point out even one issue where you disagree with your Goddess, Joan of Arc. I thought so. And you accuse others of hero worship? Talk about pot calling the kettle black.

But to be fair, it isn’t just you, the entire Republican base has this attitude of hero worship towards her.

Thus, Joan of Arc made the vacuous remark about being able to see Russia from Alaska? Why, it was Katie Couric’s fault.

So Joan of Arc could not say which magazines or periodicals she read every week? Why, it was Katie Couric’s fault. And so on.

And same as you, I don’t think many in the Republican base will be able to point out where exactly they disagree with Joan of Arc (because they don’t, they take every word she says as the Gospel truth).

I just don't know what Joan of Arc (circa 1431) really thought of back then child.

Well I guess Obama stating during the capaign about traveling to "57 states"...with one left to go...except Alaska and Hawaii shows his brilliance.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Not much is still better than nothing at all.

Don't get me wrong, I am willing to give him a chance but so far I am unimpressed.

That is understandable, but there are a couple of points. One, it takes a long time to get anything done in US Congress. Things move especially slowly in the Senate. This is totally unlike our system. In Canada if a party has a majority its agenda moves like grease lightening, they can implement their agenda quickly.

It does not work that way in USA. There is no party discipline, Senators and House representatives are free to vote against their party, and there is the filibuster in the Senate. What that means is that a legislation is passed in the Senate by 60-40 vote or not at all. So basically Democratic leaders have to convince 60 independent politicians (nominally affiliated with the Democratic Party) to support the health care bill.

Health care reform is making its way through Congress, next couple of months will tell us if it gets passed or not.

If you look at the past presidents, traditionally their accomplishments do not amount to much in their first year.

Another point is that as the mid term election nears, that will concentrate the minds of the politicians and they will want to accomplish something. I am sure Democrats realize that not passing health care reform is the quickest way to commit political suicide in 2010. They must have a bill passed which they can take to the voters.

So I am withholding judgment. Traditionally a president does not really accomplish much in the first year, he is still laying ground work for his agenda, the agenda is still working its low and laborious way through the Congress etc.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I just don't know what Joan of Arc (circa 1431) really thought of back then child.

Well I guess Obama stating during the capaign about traveling to "57 states"...with one left to go...except Alaska and Hawaii shows his brilliance.

Exactly, you cannot point to even a single issue where you disagree with Joan of Arc. And I must say you had some nerve accusing me of hero worship (when I disagree with Obama on several issues, while you disagree with Joan of Arc on none, so now you fall back to the pathetic defense that you don’t know who I am referring to by Joan of Arc).

 

[ironsides]

This will really scare you liberals.

PRESIDENT IN 2012


Here we are, already discussing the future President of the United States , beginning with the Year 2012.

For those of you who would like THE VERY BEST choice for President, we have a solution: It is probably time we have a woman as President. One choice is a very special lady who has just about every answer to assist in helping us to solve our problems.

PLEASE give this a thought when you have a moment...


MAXINE FOR PRESIDENT!



Very eloquently put...........don't you think?






Maxine on "Driver Safety" "I can't use the cell phone in the car.. I have to keep my hands free for making gestures.".......

Maxine on "Lawn Care" "The key to a nice-looking lawn is a good mower. I recommend one who is muscular and shirtless."

Maxine on "The Perfect Man" "All I'm looking for is a guy who'll do what I want, when I want, for as long as I want, and then go away. Or wait nearby, like a Dust Buster, charged up and ready when needed."

Maxine on "Technology Revolution" "My idea of rebooting is kicking somebody in the butt twice."

Maxine on "Aging" "Take every birthday with a grain of salt. This works much better if the salt accompanies a Margarita."






"The only two things we do with greater frequency in middle age are urinate and attend funerals ."

"The trouble with bucket seats is that not everybody has the same size bucket."

"To err is human; to forgive, highly unlikely."

"Do you realize that in about forty years, we'll have millions of old ladies running around with tattoos and pierced navels?" (Now that's scary!)

"Money can't buy happiness--but somehow it's more comfortable to cry in a Porsche than a Kia."

"After a certain age, if you don't wake up aching somewhere...you may be dead.."

 

[ironsides]

That is understandable, but there are a couple of points. One, it takes a long time to get anything done in US Congress. Things move especially slowly in the Senate. This is totally unlike our system. In Canada if a party has a majority its agenda moves like grease lightening, they can implement their agenda quickly.

It does not work that way in USA. There is no party discipline, Senators and House representatives are free to vote against their party, and there is the filibuster in the Senate. What that means is that a legislation is passed in the Senate by 60-40 vote or not at all. So basically Democratic leaders have to convince 60 independent politicians (nominally affiliated with the Democratic Party) to support the health care bill.

Health care reform is making its way through Congress, next couple of months will tell us if it gets passed or not.

If you look at the past presidents, traditionally their accomplishments do not amount to much in their first year.

Another point is that as the mid term election nears, that will concentrate the minds of the politicians and they will want to accomplish something. I am sure Democrats realize that not passing health care reform is the quickest way to commit political suicide in 2010. They must have a bill passed which they can take to the voters.

So I am withholding judgment. Traditionally a president does not really accomplish much in the first year, he is still laying ground work for his agenda, the agenda is still working its low and laborious way through the Congress etc.

Here is one of your points that may just break us before there is any real recovery. This guy has to go. With this resume he still will not take some of the blame for the world economic crisis. He is typical of the Liberals of today (just like children), will not take responsibility for anything. What good was he, what good is he. He has been part of the problem for years. Obama just hired member of the so called old guard.

Full name: Timothy Franz Geithner: The New York Times:

Was president of the Federal Reserve
Has served in the Dept. of the Treasury under three administrations and five different secretariesMSNBC: Geithner Likely to be Treasury Secretary (November 21, 2008)3
Became ninth president and CEO of the Federal Reserve Bank on November 17, 2003Official Site: Federal Reserve Bank of New York: Timothy F. Geithner, President2
Serves as the vice chairman of the Federal Open Market CommitteeOfficial Site: Federal Reserve Bank of New York: Timothy F. Geithner, President2
Joined the Department of the Treasury in 1988Official Site: Federal Reserve Bank of New York: Timothy F. Geithner, President2
Graduated from Dartmouth College in 1983 with bachelor's degree
Graduated from John Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies in 1985 with a master's degreeOfficial Site: Federal Reserve Bank of New York: Timothy F. Geithner, President2
Chairman of the G-10 Committee on Payment and Settlement Systems for International SettlementsOfficial Site: Federal Reserve Bank of New York: Timothy F. Geithner, President2
Member of the Council on Foreign RelationsOfficial Site: Federal Reserve Bank of New York: Timothy F. Geithner, President2 <LI class=last>Sworn in on January 26,2009 as the 75th Secretary of the United States Department of the Treasury http://www.treas.gov/organization/bios/g...4

 

[ironsides]

How many heard the rumor that Lou Dobbs may run for President?


Someone else to jump all over.

 

[EagleSmack]

Exactly, you cannot point to even a single issue where you disagree with Joan of Arc. And I must say you had some nerve accusing me of hero worship (when I disagree with Obama on several issues, while you disagree with Joan of Arc on none, so now you fall back to the pathetic defense that you don’t know who I am referring to by Joan of Arc).

Well you see Joey...if you want to act as a clown you shall be addressed as one. If you cannot refer to someone by their name and insist on acting immature why should I answer. There are things that I disagree with Palin on as well as the GOP in general.

But Joan of Arc. I only know bits and pieces about. I know Joan of Arc fought the English.

And yes...you do worship Obama.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

There are things that I disagree with Palin on as well as the GOP in general.

So you say. But you cannot point to even a single issue where you disagree with Joan of Arc. Which issue do you disagree her with, abortion, gay rights, health care reform, economy, foreign policy? Which? The answer so far is none of them.

You show the adulation, adoration towards Joan of Arc that is typical of the Republican base.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

How many heard the rumor that Lou Dobbs may run for President?


Someone else to jump all over.

He hasn’t thrown his hat in the field of politics yet, ironsides. If and when he does, there will be plenty who will be ready to trash him.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

This will really scare you liberals.

PRESIDENT IN 2012


Here we are, already discussing the future President of the United States , beginning with the Year 2012.

For those of you who would like THE VERY BEST choice for President, we have a solution: It is probably time we have a woman as President. One choice is a very special lady who has just about every answer to assist in helping us to solve our problems.

PLEASE give this a thought when you have a moment...


MAXINE FOR PRESIDENT!

Is that Maxine Waters? It doesn’t sound like her.

 

[EagleSmack]

So you say. But you cannot point to even a single issue where you disagree with Joan of Arc. Which issue do you disagree her with, abortion, gay rights, health care reform, economy, foreign policy? Which? The answer so far is none of them.

You show the adulation, adoration towards Joan of Arc that is typical of the Republican base.

Address Sarah Palin by her name and you shall have your answer.

I think you are unable to act anything but immature. I think you are incapable. Prove me wrong. Here is you chance for once to be right.

Can you, in this instance address Sarah Palin by her name?

Do it! :lol:

 

[Francis2004]

How many heard the rumor that Lou Dobbs may run for President?


Someone else to jump all over.

It doesn't matter who runs.. You know as well as I do they will get jumped all over by either side. That is the nature of politics..

 

[TenPenny]

It doesn't matter who runs.. You know as well as I do they will get jumped all over by either side. That is the nature of politics..

I'd much rather jump Palin than Obama, that's for sure.

 

[Francis2004]

I'd much rather jump Palin than Obama, that's for sure.

Agreed..:lol:

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Address Sarah Palin by her name and you shall have your answer.

I think you are unable to act anything but immature. I think you are incapable. Prove me wrong. Here is you chance for once to be right.

Can you, in this instance address Sarah Palin by her name?

Do it! :lol:

And why should I address Sarah Palin by her name? Just because you want me to? I can all her anything I want. And I already have my answer. You could not point any issue where you disagree with your idol, Joan of Arc. Even after repeated probing by me, you couldn’t come up with even one issue where you disagree with her. I don’t think I need any more answer.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

It doesn't matter who runs.. You know as well as I do they will get jumped all over by either side. That is the nature of politics..

[FONT=&quot]Not either side, Francis. My guess is that Dobbs will run as a Republican (if he runs at all). So he is more likely to be trashed by democrats, than by Republicans.[/FONT]

 

[EagleSmack]

And why should I address Sarah Palin by her name? Just because you want me to? I can all her anything I want. And I already have my answer. You could not point any issue where you disagree with your idol, Joan of Arc. Even after repeated probing by me, you couldn’t come up with even one issue where you disagree with her. I don’t think I need any more answer.

LOL

I knew you couldn't! I just knew it!

Incapable

 

[Avro]

Isn't Joan of Arc considered a hero?

 

[Francis2004]

[FONT=&quot]Not either side, Francis. My guess is that Dobbs will run as a Republican (if he runs at all). So he is more likely to be trashed by democrats, than by Republicans.[/FONT]

What I meant SJP is that regardless of political party affiliation any candidate that runs will get a good trashing from either side.

Democrats will get a good go by Republicans
and
Republicans will get a good go by Democrats

That is the nature of politics and why most parties try to get as squeaky clean a politician as possible..