Palin in 2012

[SirJosephPorter]

Why with the mere mention of the name to libs and dems run to the media to rip her. Why do the libs in here race to the thread to rip her?

And why not? Joan of Arc has been ripped up a lot less than Obama haters have ripped up Obama. It is all part of the politics. Far right has been incessantly trashing Obama, 27/7, even before he became the president.

Compared with how Obama has been trashed by Obama haters, Joan of Arc has been treated with positively the kid gloves.

 

[EagleSmack]

Really? I thought that was me.

Honoring yourself again?

No Joey...you are just a sideshow ammusement in here to be quite honest.

 

[EagleSmack]

And why not? Joan of Arc has been ripped up a lot less than Obama haters have ripped up Obama. It is all part of the politics. Far right has been incessantly trashing Obama, 27/7, even before he became the president.

Compared with how Obama has been trashed by Obama haters, Joan of Arc has been treated with positively the kid gloves.

Poor Joey...are they picking on your King too much?

 

[Avro]

It has nothing to do with the Obama Bowing thread. I am stating that you are one of the most divisive people in here PERIOD.

If that is your opinion so be it.

I agree... Obama has done nothing. Not a thing.

With all that power he still concedes before he even starts, typical dumbocrat. Bush was the worst president in your history but he did have one thing....BALLS!

 

[Francis2004]

Francis, no doubt here will be many candidates in Republican primary in 2012. But Joan of Arc is the favorite with the base, and therefore must be regarded as favorite, since in the primaries it the base that predominantly votes.

But Republicans have a strange, winner take all primary system. That is why McCain won the nomination; he won many primaries by as little as 35% votes. So if it is a crowded field, it is not inconceivable that somebody else may win the nomination, especially if the Republican base is split between Joan of Arc, Huckabee and Bachmann.

Still, I think Joan of Arc has a very good chance of winning the nomination. The only thing she has to worry about is vote splitting by the base.

SJP, when we discussed the Democratic situation, you gave me an almost identical answer.. Leaving yourself a similar escape route of "vote splitting by the base" as a solution as to not be wrong.

I prevailed in having Obama win on my side while your candidate Hillary Clinton lost..

As to Palin, I believe her funding will dry up and that the more powerful and dollar supported candidates will kick in soon.. Money talks in all politics and when you lose that support, you are at loss to keep going. Most other candidates with funding support will not want to start now but rather when time is best to go. Palin is going now because she knows she has to get a BIG start due to funding issues that will not hold her over..

I guarantee you this race is far from over..

 

[EagleSmack]

With all that power he still concedes before he even starts, typical dumbocrat. Bush was the worst president in your history but he did have one thing....BALLS!

Oh boy what till Joey reads this!

I see him following you around looking for friends.

 

[Avro]

Oh boy what till Joey reads this!

I see him following you around looking for friends.

Joey is no better than a con who can't think outside the box.

Same, just different ideologies.

 

[EagleSmack]

Joey is no better than a con who can't think outside the box.

Same, just different ideologies.

Oh gee Avro...he was so looking forward to being your puppy.

 

[Avro]

Oh gee Avro...he was so looking forward to being your puppy.

To bad, perhaps someone else will give him a bone.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

SJP, when we discussed the Democratic situation, you gave me an almost identical answer.. Leaving yourself a similar escape route of "vote splitting by the base" as a solution as to not be wrong.

I prevailed in having Obama win on my side while your candidate Hillary Clinton lost..

As to Palin, I believe her funding will dry up and that the more powerful and dollar supported candidates will kick in soon.. Money talks in all politics and when you lose that support, you are at loss to keep going. Most other candidates with funding support will not want to start now but rather when time is best to go. Palin is going now because she knows she has to get a BIG start due to funding issues that will not hold her over..

I guarantee you this race is far from over..

I agree that the race is far from over, Francis. But I think Palin has to be regarded as a favorite, unless the Republican base finds another darling.

As to Democrats, there is no denying that they took a risk when they nominated Obama, a virtual unknown. As it turned out, he proved to be a tough politician; he was more than a match for the Republican Smear Machine. He took all the smears they could throw at him and still prevailed. So in retrospect, it turned out OK, but it was a big risk nonetheless.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Poor Joey...are they picking on your King too much?

Sorry, EagleSmack, it is the Republicans who are into hero worship. Currently they are worshipping Joan of Arc, their Goddess, and they are indications they will soon start worshipping Bachmann.

Now, I know you don’t like to hear this, but I have said it many times that Obama is not my kind of politician, he is too conservative for me. If he ran in Canada, I wouldn’t vote for him. But I suppose the concept is foreign to you, that one may not agree with a politician on everything, but may still defend him against unfair attacks, against the Republican Smear Machine.

The way the far right base worships Joan of Arc and hates Obama, I don’t’ wonder that you think everybody else thinks the way you do. But everybody doesn’t.

Incidentally, I can point to a whole bunch of issues where I disagree with Obama. Abortion, gay rights, universal health care etc. Can you point out even ONE issue where you disagree with your Goddess, Joan of arc?

 

[Francis2004]

I agree that the race is far from over, Francis. But I think Palin has to be regarded as a favorite, unless the Republican base finds another darling.

As to Democrats, there is no denying that they took a risk when they nominated Obama, a virtual unknown. As it turned out, he proved to be a tough politician; he was more than a match for the Republican Smear Machine. He took all the smears they could throw at him and still prevailed. So in retrospect, it turned out OK, but it was a big risk nonetheless.

But Republicans see themselves in the same boat as Democrats. Perhaps the grass roots will never be told this IMO but it is basically a similar situation.

 

[EagleSmack]

Sorry, EagleSmack, it is the Republicans who are into hero worship. Currently they are worshipping Joan of Arc, their Goddess, and they are indications they will soon start worshipping Bachmann.

Yes you can type those words...but we really don't worship her at all. Our own words say how I feel so you are just a babbling idiot per usual.

Now, I know you don’t like to hear this, but I have said it many times that Obama is not my kind of politician, he is too conservative for me. If he ran in Canada, I wouldn’t vote for him. But I suppose the concept is foreign to you, that one may not agree with a politician on everything, but may still defend him against unfair attacks, against the Republican Smear Machine.

Sure you say that from time to time...rarely.

But you run to post your Obama threads and defend him at every turn. You are a disciple.

You're not even from this country and you slather at his jock.

The way the far right base worships Joan of Arc and hates Obama, I don’t’ wonder that you think everybody else thinks the way you do. But everybody doesn’t.

Failed

Incidentally, I can point to a whole bunch of issues where I disagree with Obama. Abortion, gay rights, universal health care etc. Can you point out even ONE issue where you disagree with your Goddess, Joan of arc?

Please spare us anymore of your drivel.

I did not know Joan of Arc was a goddess and she lived so long ago that any views of hers are irrelevant you clown.

 

[Avro]

Sorry, EagleSmack, it is the Republicans who are into hero worship. Currently they are worshipping Joan of Arc, their Goddess, and they are indications they will soon start worshipping Bachmann.

Now, I know you don’t like to hear this, but I have said it many times that Obama is not my kind of politician, he is too conservative for me. If he ran in Canada, I wouldn’t vote for him. But I suppose the concept is foreign to you, that one may not agree with a politician on everything, but may still defend him against unfair attacks, against the Republican Smear Machine.

The way the far right base worships Joan of Arc and hates Obama, I don’t’ wonder that you think everybody else thinks the way you do. But everybody dozen’t.

Incidentally, I can point to a whole bunch of issues where I disagree with Obama. Abortion, gay rights, universal health care etc. Can you point out even ONE issue where you disagree with your Goddess, Joan of arc?

So the left don't hate Palin and love Obama?

How is it any different?

This messiah like attitude toward Obama is unwarranted and totally undeserved.

Clinton was a far better president than Obama could ever hope of being.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

But Republicans see themselves in the same boat as Democrats. Perhaps the grass roots will never be told this IMO but it is basically a similar situation.

Francis, I think it was easy for the Democratic base to switch from Hillary to Obama when it looked like he may be electable. Obama is more liberal, more to the left of Hillary.

On the Republican side however, Joan of Arc is so far to the right that it is difficult to conceive of anybody to the right of her who could still be considered electable. So it is highly unlikely that the base will switch away from her en masse. What is more likely is that there may be vote splitting by the Republican base among several far right candidates.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Clinton was a far better president than Obama could ever hope of being.

We don't know that, Avro. Clinton was president for eight years, Obama has been around only for one year. It is too early to judge him.

Indeed, after the 1994 mid term elections, Clinton looked very much like a one term president. His popularity was down to 40%, he had failed to get health care reform passed, and Republicans controlled the senate and the House.

But Clinton made a spectacular recovery. So I think one year is too short a time to judge any presidency.

 

[Avro]

We don't know that, Avro. Clinton was president for eight years, Obama has been around only for one year. It is too early to judge him.

Indeed, after the 1994 mid term elections, Clinton looked very much like a one term president. His popularity was down to 40%, he had failed to get health care reform passed, and Republicans controlled the senate and the House.

But Clinton made a spectacular recovery. So I think one year is too short a time to judge any presidency.

What has Obama done in the last year?

Other than continue the Bush doctrine.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I did not know Joan of Arc was a goddess and she lived so long ago that any views of hers are irrelevant you clown.

Exactly EagleSmack, so you cannot point out even one issue where you disagree with your Goddess, Joan of Arc. I thought so. And you accuse others of hero worship? Talk about pot calling the kettle black.

But to be fair, it isn’t just you, the entire Republican base has this attitude of hero worship towards her.

Thus, Joan of Arc made the vacuous remark about being able to see Russia from Alaska? Why, it was Katie Couric’s fault.

So Joan of Arc could not say which magazines or periodicals she read every week? Why, it was Katie Couric’s fault. And so on.

And same as you, I don’t think many in the Republican base will be able to point out where exactly they disagree with Joan of Arc (because they don’t, they take every word she says as the Gospel truth).

 

[SirJosephPorter]

What has Obama done in the last year?

Other than continue the Bush doctrine.

Again, it is too short a time. In somebody has asked in 1994 what did Clinton accomplish in the past two years; the answer would have been, not much.

One has to look at the whole four or eight years before a presidency can be judged. Give him to the end of his first or second term (as the case may be), see if he can get the health care reform passed, see if he can revive the economy, and then proper judgment can be reached.

Indeed, a big part of why Clinton was eventually so popular was that he was able to revive the economy. And he did not do it in his first two years (though he did lay a proper foundation for it, with his tax increase).

 

[Avro]

Again, it is too short a time. In somebody has asked in 1994 what did Clinton accomplish in the past two years; the answer would have been, not much.

One has to look at the whole four or eight years before a presidency can be judged. Give him to the end of his first or second term (as the case may be), see if he can get the health care reform passed, see if he can revive the economy, and then proper judgment can be reached.

Indeed, a big part of why Clinton was eventually so popular was that he was able to revive the economy. And he did not do it in his first two years (though he did lay a proper foundation for it, with his tax increase).

Not much is still better than nothing at all.

Don't get me wrong, I am willing to give him a chance but so far I am unimpressed.