Palestinian hero kidnapped israeli soldier

[aeon]

Being called stupid by you is actually a compliment.



And you are proud of a herd mentality? Wonderful, that explains much.
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wait a minute mr fairy tail, as an american, you are not well place to talk about mentality, you want to talk about the american-dark age mentality?

 

[Colpy]

There is no solution to peace,our leader recognize hamas as a terrorist organisation, then our scum bags leaders must also recognize israel-governement as a terrorist organisations, cause when you look at what both did in the last 20 years, hamas looks like angels to compare to what israeli governeemnt did so far, so let's stop the bu.l.ls.h.it and let's face the reality, otherwise, it will only get worst.

You said it all. Hamas IS a terrorist organization, one sworn to destroy Israel, through terrorism if necessary.

Palestine is led by people who WILL NOT recognize the right of Israel to exist. They are stuck in the ninth century.

Meanwhile, Israel is a modern, western-style democracy governed through the rule of law, that treats its Arab minority with respect. The Arab minority votes, holds seats in the Knesset...........and Jews in Arab countries?

Israel deserves our support.

Palestine does not.

It is that simple.

 

[I think not]

Of course, it is always arabs fault, it is the arab who illegally occupied israel, it is the arab who illegally started a war against iraq, no wonder why, it has been 30 years that we are constantly bombard by US movies that are painting arabs always as the bad guys, same for tv series, and all our media.

Lawrence of Arabia, Indiana Jones Series, The Prince of Egypt, Three Kings, Alladin.

Have you ever seen a movie, that paint badly the jews?

A Price Above Rubies, Yentl, Kadosh, Munich

On what basis do you say that quebec are proto-fascist quebecois? on absotly nothing , just like everything you say.

Well you did say everybody in Quebec that is Francophone thinks like you and doesn't support Israel, so I guess that's proof enough.

wait a minute mr fairy tail, as an american, you are not well place to talk about mentality, you want to talk about the american-dark age mentality?

If I were you I would be more concerned about this herd mentality you live in, according to you. Doesn't it strike you as odd, NOBODY in Quebec supports Israel? Your media does a great job of brainwashing.

 

[#juan]

Colpy wrote:

Meanwhile, Israel is a modern, western-style democracy governed through the rule of law, that treats its Arab minority with respect. The Arab minority votes, holds seats in the Knesset...........and Jews in Arab countries?

Israel deserves our support.

Palestine does not.

It is that simple.

I guess what you are saying is that Jewish lives are somehow worth more than Palestinian lives. The Israelis have killed far more Palestinians than vice versa. Women and children included.

One of the primary articles in international law is that you can't win land by war. The UN gave the Jews about 59 percent of the land that was called Palestine. Israel now claims all of Palestine, as well as part of Syria, part of Jordan, part of Egypt and part of Lebanon. The Israelis have just offered the Palestinians a bit of crappy desert in Gaza.

The following link is written by Jews who were there when this whole mess started.

link

 

[aeon]

Re: RE: Palestinian hero kidnapped israeli soldier

You said it all. Hamas IS a terrorist organization, one sworn to destroy Israel, through terrorism if necessary.

Palestine is led by people who WILL NOT recognize the right of Israel to exist. They are stuck in the ninth century.

Meanwhile, Israel is a modern, western-style democracy governed through the rule of law, that treats its Arab minority with respect. The Arab minority votes, holds seats in the Knesset...........and Jews in Arab countries?

Israel deserves our support.

Palestine does not.

It is that simple.

Exactly I said it all, our leaders must also recognize israel-governement as a terrorist organisations, otherwise ,t here will be no peace.Hamas arent structures, doesnt have the capability to destroyed anything, so your whole arguments hold on absotly nothing, even an inuit army could defeat them.

Israel are lead by peoples who doesnt give a damn about international law, , about palestinians human rights, UN resolutions( werent you the same people who were screamning for an invasion , because saddam violated 14 resolutions? guess what, israel beat saddam all the way regarding violating un resolutions, they held the world record on it, and it will be for a long time)and the world, everytime they have a little excuse, they act like barbarian, and kill innoncent peoples, destroying electric plant, you know there is no diplomacy in this, this is act of war, and provocations.


You think i am anti-semite, check those site out.



http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

http://www.nkusa.org/

 

[aeon]

Lawrence of Arabia, Indiana Jones Series, The Prince of Egypt, Three Kings, Alladin.

Out of how many films?

A Price Above Rubies, Yentl, Kadosh, Munich

I've seen them all, none of them, paint the jews in a bad spot, nice try.

Well you did say everybody in Quebec that is Francophone thinks like you and doesn't support Israel, so I guess that's proof enough.

Not at all, i am not saying they all think like i do, but thinking like i do, doesnt prove i am proto-fascist quebecois, but nice try.

If I were you I would be more concerned about this herd mentality you live in, according to you. Doesn't it strike you as odd, NOBODY in Quebec supports Israel? Your media does a great job of brainwashing.

Don't worry , our media paints palestinians as the bad, believe it or not, they are doing basically the same thing as the rest, the difference, we have many point of view, especially in news papers, and you don't a grade 10 to understand what israel are doing to the palestinians.

 

[Just the Facts]

Wait a minute just fairy tail, the great majority of jews in israel started to immigrate in the begining of 1900

Of course that's true. Even since before 1900. Same is true of Arabs...most who were "expelled" in 1948 were also recent arrivals.

This is the UN partition plan

The partition after the partition. How many partitions should there be.

There's the old let's just ignore Jordan again. It's in big letters on your map...see it? JORDAN

Which leads us to:

The UN gave the Jews about 59 percent of the land that was called Palestine.

59% of what was left over after giving Jordan 79% of the original Palestinian mandate. Thats what, 11 or 12 percent Israel settled for agreeably. Still they need to build walls to protect themselves. I'm sorry, I really don't see how getting 88% of Palestine = oppressed.

 

[Mogz]

at the same time i am really happy to be a quebecois,at least our point of view on this conflict makes sense .

You speak on behalf of Quebec now Aeon?

Find one person in quebec( a french one) who think israel are for a peace solution, good luck.

Henri Theberge, from Trois-rivers Quebec. Been a good friend of mine for several years. Air Force AVN Tech, posted to Bagotville Quebec. Happens to even be more radically in favour of Israel than me. Perhaps why we get a long so well. Regardless aeon, myth busted . You don't speak for the 7.5 million or so residents of Quebec. You are a bullshitter. Every post you make smacks of embellishment or blatant lies. Hell Colpy just called you on one earlier in this thread. You have no integrity what so ever.

 

[#juan]

Just the Facts wrote:

59% of what was left over after giving Jordan 79% of the original Palestinian mandate. Thats what, 11 or 12 percent Israel settled for agreeably. Still they need to build walls to protect themselves. I'm sorry, I really don't see how getting 88% of Palestine = oppressed.

Read the history and look at the maps. I have.

 

[Just the Facts]

Just the Facts wrote:

59% of what was left over after giving Jordan 79% of the original Palestinian mandate. Thats what, 11 or 12 percent Israel settled for agreeably. Still they need to build walls to protect themselves. I'm sorry, I really don't see how getting 88% of Palestine = oppressed.

Read the history and look at the maps. I have.

Enlighten me. Where have I gone astray.

 

[Mogz]

RE: Palestinian hero kidn

I'm inclined to respond now:

That is prettty totalitarian behavior, listen to us, or you die.Be with the axis of ignorants, and you will have the chance to live your life,and have a job. if agression, oppression, violating human rights to all palestinians, stealing illegal territory would stop then agression (which is pretty funny, when you look at the statistic, it is easy to say who is the agressor) would end. simple as that. This is exactly the same, as a father who beat his child for 18 years, and then for the father to stop beating the child, the youngboy has to stop being agressive.

It's not a totalitarian stance aeon, it's reality. YOu cannot expect Israel to just sit there and take all the bullshit. If the suicide bombings stopped, the War would stop. You talk about violating human rights in regards to Israel, but are you even remotely aware of what Palestine does aeon? I mentioned in my previous post, the 4 students being murdered at school by Palestinian gunmen, is that humane? You call Israel the agressor, but my query to you is this; why, when Israel stops agression (i.e. before this Gaza incursion) does Palestine continue to attack them then? Can you explain that? I doubt you can.

As for a father beating his child. You always put this as a one-sided conflict aeon. "Palestine does nothing". Lets use your pretty lame analogy but gear it towards REALITY:

A son constantly slaps his mother around, abuses his sister, kicks the family dog, so in return the Father slaps the son around. The father beats his son, then lets him go to see what he does. A week goes by, everything is good, then he pushes his sister down the stairs. In steps the father who slaps his son around. Lets another week go by and the son lights the dog on fire. Father steps in and slaps him around. That's reality aeon. Israel, yes, slaps Palestine around (a lot), but only does so, the vast majority of the time, after Palestine does something to deserve it i.e. abduct Israeli soldiers.

You are master to turn a subject to a nutpoint, what the hell this has to do with i said?

What the hell is a "nutpoint"? Regardless, it had to do with everything, you said:

You just don't understand what is going on, we the west are turning a blind eye on israel for the last 35 years

I then pointed out that during that 35 year period, Arab nations tried to INVADE Israel. You tried to tell me the West is ignoring Palestine. No, it's not, it just doesn't have a lot of time for a group of people who call for the destruction of another Nation; i.e. in constant attacks and invasion of Israel.

What you are saying, the whole palestine, is a war zone, and israel,don't touch any of it, cause we will have the right to kill any of you.

No, not at all. Re-read what I wrote. What I AM saying is that while Israel yes (I have been admitting this all along) has killed innocent people, they do so only by accident (and yes i'm sure some Israeli's have blatantly killed civilians), with a small proportion actually being killed by intent. Palestine on the other hand sets out to maliciously cause harm to non-combatants. Hence why I support Israel and don't give a shit about Palestine. If Palestinians want to support individuals who willingly kill women and children, then I don't care if 10, 20, or 30 Palestinian civilians are killed by Israel defending itself.

Well the 4 israeli children killed was 4 years ago, that was an isolated incidents wasnt??

Uh, no it wasn't aeon. Here are some more:

• January 15 2005: An Israeli child living on a settlement was injured from a Qassam rocket, losing his hand. In the afternoon, a Qassam rocket hit Sderot and wounded 6 people. An Israeli 17-years-old woman suffered critical wounds. Hamas claimed responsibility.
• January 31 2005: 2 people suffered shock injuries as 7 mortar shells hit Neve Dekalim settlement in the Gaza Strip. Hamas claimed responsibility saying the shooting was in revenge for the killing of a 10-years-old girl in Rafah earlier this morning. Palestinians initially claimed she was killed by an IDF tank shell but it was letter revealed that she was killed by Palestinian pilgrims, who shot spontaneously into the air.
• February 28 2005: Two Israelis are wounded by a Palestinian shooting attack East of the city of Modi'in.
• April 18 2005: Two Israelis, one engineering NCO and one civilian, were wounded by a Palestinian sniper attack on Philadelphi Route of southern Gaza. The Popular Resistance Committees claimed responsibility.
• May 16 2005: Four Israeli construction workers were injured by a Palestinian anti-tank rocket attack on Philadelphi Route.
• June 24 2005: An Israeli teenager, Avichay Levi (17), is killed and four others are injured after a shooting attack from a Palestinian car in Beit Haggai junction south of Hebron. The Fatah's al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility.
• June 26 2005: Avi Mantzur (16), who was critically injured in the June 24 Beit Haggai attack, dies from his wounds.
• July 14 2005: One Israeli woman was killed after the Palestinian militant groups Hamas and Fatah's al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades fired a barrage of more than a dozen Qassam rockets over Israeli settlements inside and outside the Gaza Strip.
• August 24 2005:A Palestinian stabs two Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem, killing one and injuring the other.
• October 16 2005: 2 drive-by shootings in the West Bank after a reasonably peaceful time in the region, the first in gush atzion junction near Hebron killing 3 Israeli civilians and wounding 3, the second in Alie junction in Binyamin settlement causing one teenager to be seriously wounded.
• October 26 2005: 5 Israli killed and 30 wounded in a suicide bombing in Hadera's open air market.
• December 5 2005: A suicide bomber killed himself and at least five israelis in a shopping mall in Netanya. Both Islamic Jihad and Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility.

That is just 2005, and only the ones I ran through and grabbed quickly aeon. There are litterally dozens upon dozens of attacks. They're all there in that link I gave to you a few posts back. Only a few months in 2005 resulted in no civilian deaths, every month resulted in IDF deaths. Do you deem those attacks "isolated" incidents aeon? Or better yet, conducive to lasting peace?

What did you rebuild in afganisthan?? nothing at all, i again say we are not better than them, actually we are worst than them.

What did I rebuild in Afghanistan? I was on eleven (11) well digging parties in seven (7) months. I delivered school supplies to five (5) remote villages. My patrol group (and two others) helped build everything from storage sheds to assisting combat engineers on a school building project (which was nearing completion when I headed home). Our combat engineers have begun demining Afghanistan enmasse, we've built water purification plants, pumping stations, power stations, post offices, schools, houses, and police stations. We funded the construction of the ANA Base in Kabul, and provided them military material. No aeon, we've done a hell of a lot more than "nothing at all". We've done more for Afghans than you'll ever know.

And what evidence do you have they are doing god's work?? who told you that?

THEM you moron, in every claim they make. In every responsibility webcast, video tape, audio tape, everywhere. Every time they take responsibility for a suicide attack, or terrorist plot, they say they're doing gods work. Are you that stupid? What does Jihad mean aeon? A Muslim holy war or spiritual struggle against infidels. That right there is the bases for everything, religious zeal. Islamic terrorists conduct Jihads, therefore they conduct holy wars, therefore they are empowered by RELIGIOUS OVERTONES My god you're a moron. Also one last tidbit:

Osama Bin Laden
"Your Muslim nation is looking for you and praying for your victory. You are their hope after God. You are God's trusted soldiers who will liberate the ummah (the Muslim nation) from the serfdom of the crusaders in our countries."

Might want to get in tune with the planet aeon. Islamic terrorism is DRIVEN by religious zeal:

Link

I've never said FBI knew everything, none of those agency made up the data that eventually triggered those invasions, the administrations did.

So you're saying that the Bush Administration just up and invaded two (2) Nations based on a whim, yet used their intelligence agencies as the basis for said attacks? If that's the case aeon, then why didn't every agency stand up and denounce the attacks? Or better yet, why did members of the U.S. intelligence committee put their names on information justifying the attack if they knew they hadn't found any such information? Who in their right mind would (enmasse I might add) just sign off on intel that wasn't either researched and/or blatantly false? I can see maybe one or two people in an organization, but not every member of every U.S. intelligence agency. I'm not sure if you're aware as to how intelligence gathering works, but it has to start somewhere, and it goes up the chain to the top, then transfers across to the U.S. Government Administration for action. So it's a flow chart like this:

Field Operative->Local Headquarters->Regional Headquarters->Agency Headquarters->Administration

That means that at each step, someone (more often a group of people) would have to sign off on the intel as authentic. That's a huge paper trail aeon, one that would have been uncovered by now. Your retort?

That is your own opinion, and Ousama ben laden is in french, so you can go "'enough said""

Osama Bin Laden.

 

[aeon]

at the same time i am really happy to be a quebecois,at least our point of view on this conflict makes sense .

You speak on behalf of Quebec now Aeon?

Find one person in quebec( a french one) who think israel are for a peace solution, good luck.

Henri Theberge, from Trois-rivers Quebec. Been a good friend of mine for several years. Air Force AVN Tech, posted to Bagotville Quebec. Happens to even be more radically in favour of Israel than me. Perhaps why we get a long so well. Regardless aeon, myth busted . You don't speak for the 7.5 million or so residents of Quebec. You are a bullshitter. Every post you make smacks of embellishment or blatant lies. Hell Colpy just called you on one earlier in this thread. You have no integrity what so ever.

I am not talking about those morons who are in the army, nice try.

 

[I think not]

Out of how many films?

The 13th Warrior, Party Girl. Let me know if you need more.

I've seen them all, none of them, paint the jews in a bad spot, nice try.

Baloney if you say Munich doesn't show Jews ina bad light, you have serious problems. The other movies show an oppressive religion where women are treated like crap. Unless this sounds "normal" to you.

Not at all, i am not saying they all think like i do, but thinking like i do, doesnt prove i am proto-fascist quebecois, but nice try.

Yeah you did, and I shudder at the possibility.

 

[aeon]

The 13th Warrior, Party Girl. Let me know if you need more.

13th warrior doesnt show arab in a good light, same with party girl.

Baloney if you say Munich doesn't show Jews ina bad light, you have serious problems. The other movies show an oppressive religion where women are treated like crap. Unless this sounds "normal" to you.

What bad side of the jew Munich has shown?? that mossad does kill withouth collateral damage? remember the scene, where they cancel their murder, because a little girl is inside? that shows, that mossad, are able to kill withouth hurting those who has nothing to do with it, which is in fact false.

Yeah you did, and I shudder at the possibility.

Not supporting israel proves, we have a human side.

 

[I think not]

13th warrior doesnt show arab in a good light, same with party girl.

From REEL BAD ARABS:

There are over seven million Arab-Americans living in the US. Have you been able to find any positive or even neutral portrayals of Arabs in US movies?

Jack Shaheen: Yes... notably recent films such as Three Kings and The 13th Warrior and Party Girl.

Busted! Go fly a kite Aeon.

What bad side of the jew Munich has shown?? that mossad does kill withouth collateral damage? remember the scene, where they cancel their murder, because a little girl is inside? that shows, that mossad, are able to kill withouth hurting those who has nothing to do with it, which is in fact false.

I suppose blowing up a hotel and invading Lebanon and killing everybody in sight is something admirable?

Not supporting israel proves, we have a human side.

I would venture to say a racist side.

 

[aeon]

Re: RE: Palestinian hero kidn

It's not a totalitarian stance aeon, it's reality. YOu cannot expect Israel to just sit there and take all the bullshit. If the suicide bombings stopped, the War would stop. You talk about violating human rights in regards to Israel, but are you even remotely aware of what Palestine does aeon? I mentioned in my previous post, the 4 students being murdered at school by Palestinian gunmen, is that humane? You call Israel the agressor, but my query to you is this; why, when Israel stops agression (i.e. before this Gaza incursion) does Palestine continue to attack them then? Can you explain that? I doubt you can.

Israel always attacked for no reason, israel attacks palestinians 5 times more than any palestinians does, and the statistic talks for themselves.

As for a father beating his child. You always put this as a one-sided conflict aeon. "Palestine does nothing". Lets use your pretty lame analogy but gear it towards REALITY:

A son constantly slaps his mother around, abuses his sister, kicks the family dog, so in return the Father slaps the son around. The father beats his son, then lets him go to see what he does. A week goes by, everything is good, then he pushes his sister down the stairs. In steps the father who slaps his son around. Lets another week go by and the son lights the dog on fire. Father steps in and slaps him around. That's reality aeon. Israel, yes, slaps Palestine around (a lot), but only does so, the vast majority of the time, after Palestine does something to deserve it i.e. abduct Israeli soldiers.

In your anology, you forgot to mention, that his son has no human rights, he is being beaten on a daily basis, since he is 3 years old, and his freedom is limited to his room, that is the reality.

Palestinian can't attack any soldiers, they can't attack any civilians, but in return, isreal can attack everything and destroyed everything, since god is with them, and usa, it is called self-defense, damn you guys are retards.

I then pointed out that during that 35 year period, Arab nations tried to INVADE Israel. You tried to tell me the West is ignoring Palestine. No, it's not, it just doesn't have a lot of time for a group of people who call for the destruction of another Nation; i.e. in constant attacks and invasion of Israel.

You can say whatever you want , but this argument worth absotly nothing at all, hamas doesnt have the capability to destroyed anyone, so quit this retarded argument.

No, not at all. Re-read what I wrote. What I AM saying is that while Israel yes (I have been admitting this all along) has killed innocent people, they do so only by accident (and yes i'm sure some Israeli's have blatantly killed civilians), with a small proportion actually being killed by intent. Palestine on the other hand sets out to maliciously cause harm to non-combatants. Hence why I support Israel and don't give a shit about Palestine. If Palestinians want to support individuals who willingly kill women and children, then I don't care if 10, 20, or 30 Palestinian civilians are killed by Israel defending itself.

Israel has killed way way way more innoncent peoples, like children, womens than palestine ever did. nice try again

Uh, no it wasn't aeon. Here are some more:

• January 15 2005: An Israeli child living on a settlement was injured from a Qassam rocket, losing his hand. In the afternoon, a Qassam rocket hit Sderot and wounded 6 people. An Israeli 17-years-old woman suffered critical wounds. Hamas claimed responsibility.
• January 31 2005: 2 people suffered shock injuries as 7 mortar shells hit Neve Dekalim settlement in the Gaza Strip. Hamas claimed responsibility saying the shooting was in revenge for the killing of a 10-years-old girl in Rafah earlier this morning. Palestinians initially claimed she was killed by an IDF tank shell but it was letter revealed that she was killed by Palestinian pilgrims, who shot spontaneously into the air.
• February 28 2005: Two Israelis are wounded by a Palestinian shooting attack East of the city of Modi'in.
• April 18 2005: Two Israelis, one engineering NCO and one civilian, were wounded by a Palestinian sniper attack on Philadelphi Route of southern Gaza. The Popular Resistance Committees claimed responsibility.
• May 16 2005: Four Israeli construction workers were injured by a Palestinian anti-tank rocket attack on Philadelphi Route.
• June 24 2005: An Israeli teenager, Avichay Levi (17), is killed and four others are injured after a shooting attack from a Palestinian car in Beit Haggai junction south of Hebron. The Fatah's al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility.
• June 26 2005: Avi Mantzur (16), who was critically injured in the June 24 Beit Haggai attack, dies from his wounds.
• July 14 2005: One Israeli woman was killed after the Palestinian militant groups Hamas and Fatah's al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades fired a barrage of more than a dozen Qassam rockets over Israeli settlements inside and outside the Gaza Strip.
• August 24 2005:A Palestinian stabs two Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem, killing one and injuring the other.
• October 16 2005: 2 drive-by shootings in the West Bank after a reasonably peaceful time in the region, the first in gush atzion junction near Hebron killing 3 Israeli civilians and wounding 3, the second in Alie junction in Binyamin settlement causing one teenager to be seriously wounded.
• October 26 2005: 5 Israli killed and 30 wounded in a suicide bombing in Hadera's open air market.
• December 5 2005: A suicide bomber killed himself and at least five israelis in a shopping mall in Netanya. Both Islamic Jihad and Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility.

That is just 2005, and only the ones I ran through and grabbed quickly aeon. There are litterally dozens upon dozens of attacks. They're all there in that link I gave to you a few posts back. Only a few months in 2005 resulted in no civilian deaths, every month resulted in IDF deaths. Do you deem those attacks "isolated" incidents aeon? Or better yet, conducive to lasting peace?

with no link?

Well 18 death, and more injured, here is what israel has done in 2004

The rights group's report for 2004 says Israeli forces have killed some 700 Palestinians - including 150 children - mostly in unlawful circumstances.

The report says Palestinian armed groups killed 109 Israelis, including 59 civilians and eight children, in suicide bombings, shootings and mortar attacks.

Amnesty's accusations against the Israeli army include unlawful killings, torture, extensive and wanton destruction of property, obstruction of medical assistance and targeting of medical personnel.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4580139.stm


Outrageous, that is all that comes to my mind.

What did I rebuild in Afghanistan? I was on eleven (11) well digging parties in seven (7) months. I delivered school supplies to five (5) remote villages. My patrol group (and two others) helped build everything from storage sheds to assisting combat engineers on a school building project (which was nearing completion when I headed home). Our combat engineers have begun demining Afghanistan enmasse, we've built water purification plants, pumping stations, power stations, post offices, schools, houses, and police stations. We funded the construction of the ANA Base in Kabul, and provided them military material. No aeon, we've done a hell of a lot more than "nothing at all". We've done more for Afghans than you'll ever know.

Ok cool, but what is your proof of this? none of course.

THEM you moron, in every claim they make. In every responsibility webcast, video tape, audio tape, everywhere. Every time they take responsibility for a suicide attack, or terrorist plot, they say they're doing gods work. Are you that stupid? What does Jihad mean aeon? A Muslim holy war or spiritual struggle against infidels. That right there is the bases for everything, religious zeal. Islamic terrorists conduct Jihads, therefore they conduct holy wars, therefore they are empowered by RELIGIOUS OVERTONES My god you're a moron. Also one last tidbit:

Osama Bin Laden
"Your Muslim nation is looking for you and praying for your victory. You are their hope after God. You are God's trusted soldiers who will liberate the ummah (the Muslim nation) from the serfdom of the crusaders in our countries."

Where is from that quote? who brought that quote? also, if you look what is written, the message is get rid of the foreign occupier, which support what is say.

That is the same kind of message, george w bush does in front of his soldiers, when he talks about freedom, and how they hate freedom, and how god will help to defeat evil, stupid yes, but it works in our civilization also.

So you're saying that the Bush Administration just up and invaded two (2) Nations based on a whim, yet used their intelligence agencies as the basis for said attacks? If that's the case aeon, then why didn't every agency stand up and denounce the attacks? Or better yet, why did members of the U.S. intelligence committee put their names on information justifying the attack if they knew they hadn't found any such information? Who in their right mind would (enmasse I might add) just sign off on intel that wasn't either researched and/or blatantly false? I can see maybe one or two people in an organization, but not every member of every U.S. intelligence agency. I'm not sure if you're aware as to how intelligence gathering works, but it has to start somewhere, and it goes up the chain to the top, then transfers across to the U.S. Government Administration for action. So it's a flow chart like this:

Field Operative->Local Headquarters->Regional Headquarters->Agency Headquarters->Administration

That means that at each step, someone (more often a group of people) would have to sign off on the intel as authentic. That's a huge paper trail aeon, one that would have been uncovered by now. Your retort?

The intel stupidity reason, was a big joke, it is not the cia, or anyone else who told bush and cie to go to war, it is the bush administration who decided to go anyway, here is the proof.

http://www.channel4.com/news/special-reports/special-reports-storypage.jsp?id=1661

President Bush said that:

"The US would put its full weight behind efforts to get another resolution and would 'twist arms' and 'even threaten'. But he had to say that if ultimately we failed, military action would follow anyway.

President Bush said: "The US was thinking of flying U2 reconnaissance aircraft with fighter cover over Iraq, painted in UN colours. If Saddam fired on them, he would be in breach."

 

[aeon]

From REEL BAD ARABS:

There are over seven million Arab-Americans living in the US. Have you been able to find any positive or even neutral portrayals of Arabs in US movies?

Jack Shaheen: Yes... notably recent films such as Three Kings and The 13th Warrior and Party Girl.

Busted! Go fly a kite Aeon.

Ok, i agree.

I suppose blowing up a hotel and invading Lebanon and killing everybody in sight is something admirable?

True, but they show the mossad, taking care of having the minimum casualties, which is in fact, false.

I would venture to say a racist side.

Not really, in quebec, the jew which is the only communauty, has their own law and court, which nodoby else has.

 

[Mogz]

RE: Palestinian hero kidn

Israel always attacked for no reason, israel attacks palestinians 5 times more than any palestinians does, and the statistic talks for themselves.

Show me the statistics that say Israel attacks Palestine WITHOUT CAUSE 5 times more than Palestine attacks Israel. I'd love to see it aeon.

In your anology, you forgot to mention, that his son has no human rights, he is being beaten on a daily basis, since he is 3 years old, and his freedom is limited to his room, that is the reality.

Palestinian can't attack any soldiers, they can't attack any civilians, but in return, isreal can attack everything and destroyed everything, since god is with them, and usa, it is called self-defense, damn you guys are retards.

That's your opinion, the international community has a different view aeon. Self-induced suffering is not the fault of Israel and/or the West. You dub us retards, we choose to consider ourselves realists aeon. War is war, if Palestine doesn't like the ramifications then perhaps they should stop waging war on a bigger and better nation?

You can say whatever you want , but this argument worth absotly nothing at all, hamas doesnt have the capability to destroyed anyone, so quit this retarded argument.

Nice resposne aeon. You're just not big enough to admit i'm right. I love how when you don't have any retort you then dismiss anything i'm saying. Proving once again, you lack the ability for rational thought. That and you lack the ability to admit when you're wrong and/or beaten. Sit down aeon.

Israel has killed way way way more innoncent peoples, like children, womens than palestine ever did. nice try again

This is quickly turning from a debate in to you not being able to refute anything i'm saying. A sentance you might want to re-read what my previous post is this:

Palestine on the other hand sets out to maliciously cause harm to non-combatants.

That is the difference between Israel and Palestine. Israel kills in self-defence. Palestine kills for the sake of killing. What do you have to say to that aeon?

with no link?

Well 18 death, and more injured, here is what israel has done in 2004

You have just proven aeon that you don't read my posts in full. I provided you a link, and I made a point to mention that those 18 deaths were ones i'd gone through the list of and grabbed quickly. Here, re-read what I posted to you in regards to this:

That is just 2005, and only the ones I ran through and grabbed quickly aeon. There are litterally dozens upon dozens of attacks. They're all there in that link I gave to you a few posts back. Only a few months in 2005 resulted in no civilian deaths, every month resulted in IDF deaths. Do you deem those attacks "isolated" incidents aeon? Or better yet, conducive to lasting peace?

Ok cool, but what is your proof of this? none of course.

Hahahaha I really don't need to prove myself to you aeon. Unlike you I deal in fact and truth, you on the other hand deal in lies and embellishment. I know what I did for seven months and I know what I didn't do. I don't need a website with pictures showing me digging a well to prove it. And I most certainly don't need a website with pictures showing ISAF rebuilding the Nation. That all being said, if you want "proof" on the ISAF development program then head over to the ISAF website. Every project they've undertaken is there, in fact i'm sure you'll find a few of the ones I worked on in their list as well. You want proof, do the leg work. Until then, you cannot deem that something isn't happening without ever being there aeon. Then again, this is coming from the same person who says that all of Quebec agrees with his stance on Palestine. You're a bullshitter aeon, a blatant liar, who as I pointed out before, has no integrity what so ever.

Where is from that quote? who brought that quote? also, if you look what is written, the message is get rid of the foreign occupier, which support what is say.

That is the same kind of message, george w bush does in front of his soldiers, when he talks about freedom, and how they hate freedom, and how god will help to defeat evil, stupid yes, but it works in our civilization also.

The second time in this post you've proven you don't even read my posts. I provided you with a link to his speech It's Osama Bin Laden and it was posted on your most repsect Aljazeerah news agency. So once again, i'll post the link like I did in my other post:

Link

There, that easy enough for you to follow?

It has nothing to do with a simple military rally aeon. First and foremost they do not represent a legitimate Iraqi Government. Secondly they're not an organized Army. They're a group of religious fanatics, as this part of his quote highlights:

You are God's trusted soldiers

I think that sums it up nicely aeon. They feel they're doing Gods work. Tell me where anyone in the West has ever said we're doing Gods work in Iraq and Afghanistan aeon?

The intel stupidity reason, was a big joke, it is not the cia, or anyone else who told bush and cie to go to war, it is the bush administration who decided to go anyway, here is the proof.

Nice avoidance of my point aeon. The point I was making is that an Administration cannot just up and go to War. They have to support their reasons, the chief aspect of support is intelligence. Seeing as, according to you, the U.S. intelligence community didn't support the information being used, then technically the U.S. couldn't have gone to War. They had to have information to give to Congress to back up their claims, and if they did have information, it would have to be signed off by the intelligence agencies. Am I getting through to you aeon. Anything at all? A group of individuals cannot just up and decide to go to War. I don't know what dream World you live in, but the reality I inhabit has a U.S. Government with a system of checks and balances to prevent rogue leadership. Your retort?

This kills me:

President Bush said: "The US was thinking of flying U2 reconnaissance aircraft with fighter cover over Iraq, painted in UN colours. If Saddam fired on them, he would be in breach."

Some FYI aeon. A U2 flies too high to have fighter cover. The average service ceiling for a U2 is upwards of 95,000 feet. To my knowledge the U.S. does not have a fighter aircraft that can fly above 60,000 in a combat role. Myth busted.

 

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at the same time i am really happy to be a quebecois,at least our point of view on this conflict makes sense .

You speak on behalf of Quebec now Aeon?

Find one person in quebec( a french one) who think israel are for a peace solution, good luck.

Henri Theberge, from Trois-rivers Quebec. Been a good friend of mine for several years. Air Force AVN Tech, posted to Bagotville Quebec. Happens to even be more radically in favour of Israel than me. Perhaps why we get a long so well. Regardless aeon, myth busted . You don't speak for the 7.5 million or so residents of Quebec. You are a bullshitter. Every post you make smacks of embellishment or blatant lies. Hell Colpy just called you on one earlier in this thread. You have no integrity what so ever.

I am not talking about those morons who are in the army, nice try.

It doesn't work like that aeon. You said, and I quote:

Find one person in quebec( a french one) who think israel are for a peace solution, good luck.

I did. Henri Theberge from Trois-Rivers, currently living in Bagotville. So I proved to you that there are those from Quebec that support Israel. Also, he isn't in the Army. He's in the Air Force. And that has no bearing on his ability to rationalize a conflict. Your retort?

 

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RE: Palestinian hero kidn

Not really, in quebec, the jew which is the only communauty, has their own law and court, which nodoby else has.

The Jews in Quebec have their own legal system and their own court? Not bloody likely. Then again it is Quebec, the most ass-backwards part of Canada........