Palestinian hero kidnapped israeli soldier

[I think not]

Since all text has failed Aeon, perhaps you need a visual aid?

 

[Champloo]

Re: RE: Palestinian hero kidnapped israeli soldier

stealing illegal territory would stop then agression (which is pretty funny, when you look at the statistic, it is easy to say who is the agressor) would end. simple as that.

What if it's not stealing. What if it's taking back what was stolen from you.

Stolen by who, and more importantly taking from what part of history exactly?

The jewish people were forced to move by the romans, who later named it Palestine to abolish all jewish ties to it. An undisputed fact.

 

[Mogz]

Since all text has failed Aeon, perhaps you need a visual aid?

Hahaha no shit.

 

[aeon]

Re: RE: Palestinian hero kidnapped israeli soldier

The jewish people were forced to move by the romans, who later named it Palestine to abolish all jewish ties to it. An undisputed fact.

You are talking about something that happened 2000 years ago, in that line of thinking we could also say, the cannites who are the palestians today,who were already under egyptian rules, were invaded 1400 year Before christ by a semitic tribes called the "hebrews"

 

[Mogz]

Re: RE: Palestinian hero kidnapped israeli soldier

The jewish people were forced to move by the romans, who later named it Palestine to abolish all jewish ties to it. An undisputed fact.

You are talking about something that happened 2000 years ago, in that line of thinking we could also say, the cannites who are the palestians today,who were already under egyptian rules, were invaded 1400 year Before christ by a semitic tribes called the "hebrews"

It is a question of ownership aeon. Technically the Jews own the land that Palestine has been squating on for 2000 years. I say technically because the ancient history of the region is somewhat of a grey area for me. Regardless, Israel inhabits the land now, so it's a moot point. Arguing this is much like France debating their ownership of Upper and Lower Canada (present day Ontario and Quebec).

P.S. I'll respond vis-a-vis our debate later when i'm more inclined to do so.

 

[bluealberta]

YOu know, I have been gone for a while, but reading this thread, I certainly hope that CSIS does not read these forums, because Aeon would be found, questioned, detained...........wait a minute, maybe I DO hope they read these!!

Aeon, those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. Those who deny history, as you have shown over and over in your posts, are just doomed. You make no sense, your view of right or wrong is totally out of whack. I bet your mamma is proud to have such an idiot for a child. Or not. :roll:

 

[aeon]

Re: RE: Palestinian hero kidnapped israeli soldier

The jewish people were forced to move by the romans, who later named it Palestine to abolish all jewish ties to it. An undisputed fact.

You are talking about something that happened 2000 years ago, in that line of thinking we could also say, the cannites who are the palestians today,who were already under egyptian rules, were invaded 1400 year Before christ by a semitic tribes called the "hebrews"

It is a question of ownership aeon. Technically the Jews own the land that Palestine has been squating on for 2000 years. I say technically because the ancient history of the region is somewhat of a grey area for me. Regardless, Israel inhabits the land now, so it's a moot point. Arguing this is much like France debating their ownership of Upper and Lower Canada (present day Ontario and Quebec).

P.S. I'll respond vis-a-vis our debate later when i'm more inclined to do so.

Technically the jews own the land of palestine, where have you read that?,, 2000 years own by palestinians is pretty convincing to me.

 

[Just the Facts]

Re: RE: Palestinian hero kidnapped israeli soldier

2000 years own by palestinians is pretty convincing to me.

It might be convincing if it were true. 1968 was not 2000 years ago. Before then, when one spoke of a "Palestinian", one was generally speaking of a Jew. The west bank got it's name by being the west bank of Jordan. Israel offered the west bank back to Jordan after the war. They didn't want it. Remember Jordan? The forgotton portion of Palestine. The Arabs already have the vast majority of Palestine to themselves. The Jews are willing to accept the tiny sliver of land they have been left with. It's more than fair. <Edit>The division of Palestine has by far favoured the Arabs.</edit> The Paelstinians have no case.

 

[Colpy]

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2000 years own by palestinians is pretty convincing to me.

It might be convincing if it were true. 1968 was not 2000 years ago. Before then, when one spoke of a "Palestinian", one was generally speaking of a Jew. The west bank got it's name by being the west bank of Jordan. Israel offered the west bank back to Jordan after the war. They didn't want it. Remember Jordan? The forgotton portion of Palestine. The Arabs already have the vast majority of Palestine to themselves. The Jews are willing to accept the tiny sliver of land they have been left with. It's more than fair. <Edit>The division of Palestine has by far favoured the Arabs.</edit> The Paelstinians have no case.

Thank you.

Yes, Jordan is a majority Palestinian State.

No Jordan WILL NOT take the West Bank back.

WHY, you ask?

Because Jordan has had an unpleasant experience with the PLO back in the seventies......in fact they booted them out of the country in a large, complex military operation. The PLO then went to settle in the "Riviera of the Middle East", the peaceful, prosperous, happy nation of Lebanon.....NOT FOR LONG!

Israel abandoned Gaza and had plans to leave large parts of the West Bank. In Gaza, they forcibly removed a number of Israeli sttlers.....THERE WAS NO ILLEGAL OCCUPATION OF GAZA !!!!! The government of the Palestinian Authority was complicit in over 1000 acts of war against Israel from Gaza in the ONE YEAR since the Jews left.

THERE WAS NO ILLEGAL OCCUPATION OF THE WEST BANK!!!!! JORDAN REFUSED TO NEGOTIATE ITS RETURN!!!

 

[gc]

Since all text has failed Aeon, perhaps you need a visual aid?

Hehe that's funny.

 

[aeon]

Re: RE: Palestinian hero kidnapped israeli soldier

2000 years own by palestinians is pretty convincing to me.

It might be convincing if it were true. 1968 was not 2000 years ago. Before then, when one spoke of a "Palestinian", one was generally speaking of a Jew. The west bank got it's name by being the west bank of Jordan. Israel offered the west bank back to Jordan after the war. They didn't want it. Remember Jordan? The forgotton portion of Palestine. The Arabs already have the vast majority of Palestine to themselves. The Jews are willing to accept the tiny sliver of land they have been left with. It's more than fair. <Edit>The division of Palestine has by far favoured the Arabs.</edit> The Paelstinians have no case.

Wait a minute just fairy tail, the great majority of jews in israel started to immigrate in the begining of 1900, before that, even less than 5% of the total population of palestine were jew, nice try.

This is the UN partition plan

And this is israel today

Now guys tell me what is wrong with those image? you guys will probably understand why there is a conflict overthere.

 

[I think not]

I'm surprised after all the times Israel has been invaded and attacked by Arab armies that's all Israel got out of it.

EDIT: And don't forget, your map doesn't show Israel giving back land after wars, like the Sinai?

 

[Colpy]

I'm surprised after all the times Israel has been invaded and attacked by Arab armies that's all Israel got out of it.

EDIT: And don't forget, your map doesn't show Israel giving back land after wars, like the Sinai?

EXACTLY!

How did Israel immediately extend its territory in 1947?

The nation was attacked by SIX Arab nations, who encouraged the Palestinians to flee so they would not be in the way as Israel was eliminated............. and the borders the UN assigned the Jewish state were simply incoherent, Israel made them coherent.

Some of what Israel did to achieve this was NOT nice...........

Now Aeon is going to tell us that the Jews, in 1948, with practically no weapons, little outside support, vastly outgunned and outnumbered, ATTACKED the Arab nations forcing them to mobilize in self-defense........

One other point. Jordan has refused the return of the West Bank. When Israel abandoned Gazam, it instantly became a launching point for attacks on Israel. Exactly HOW is Israel to find peace? .

 

[aeon]

I'm surprised after all the times Israel has been invaded and attacked by Arab armies that's all Israel got out of it.

EDIT: And don't forget, your map doesn't show Israel giving back land after wars, like the Sinai?

EXACTLY!

How did Israel immediately extend its territory in 1947?

The nation was attacked by SIX Arab nations, who encouraged the Palestinians to flee so they would not be in the way as Israel was eliminated............. and the borders the UN assigned the Jewish state were simply incoherent, Israel made them coherent.

Some of what Israel did to achieve this was NOT nice...........

Now Aeon is going to tell us that the Jews, in 1948, with practically no weapons, little outside support, vastly outgunned and outnumbered, ATTACKED the Arab nations forcing them to mobilize in self-defense........

One other point. Jordan has refused the return of the West Bank. When Israel abandoned Gazam, it instantly became a launching point for attacks on Israel. Exactly HOW is Israel to find peace? .

Self defense, doesnt mean, you have the right to annex some more land,resolutions after resolutions was given regarding this problem by those same who officialized israel, but for israel it is ok not to comply, since they are the elected people by god.


Seriously i can't believe how you guys are synical towards palestinians, damn they are oppressed and agressed , something never seen since the great wars,100 of palestinians died this month, how many isralis died? and still our media convinced most of you that the oppressed are the bad peoples, no wonder why there is no peace solution, at the same time i am really happy to be a quebecois,at least our point of view on this conflict makes sense .

 

[DurkaDurka]

at the same time i am really happy to be a quebecois,at least our point of view on this conflict makes sense .

You speak on behalf of Quebec now Aeon?

 

[aeon]

I'm surprised after all the times Israel has been invaded and attacked by Arab armies that's all Israel got out of it.

EDIT: And don't forget, your map doesn't show Israel giving back land after wars, like the Sinai?

Are you that stupid? do you know how many palestinians refugee there is since 1948?? 3.7 millions , 400 000 of them can't even go back to their own land, thanks to the united morons of america's president who can't even spell nuclear weapons.Of course i understand coming from a guy who thought, bagdad was safer than any american city.

 

[aeon]

at the same time i am really happy to be a quebecois,at least our point of view on this conflict makes sense .

You speak on behalf of Quebec now Aeon?

Find one person in quebec( a french one) who think israel are for a peace solution, good luck.

 

[Colpy]

I'm surprised after all the times Israel has been invaded and attacked by Arab armies that's all Israel got out of it.

EDIT: And don't forget, your map doesn't show Israel giving back land after wars, like the Sinai?

Are you that stupid? do you know how many palestinians refugee there is since 1948?? 3.7 millions , 400 000 of them can't even go back to their own land, thanks to the united morons of america's president who can't even spell nuclear weapons.Of course i understand coming from a guy who thought, bagdad was safer than any american city.

No, are YOU that stupid.

Originally, 750,000 were refugees. The 400,000 you speak of are the survivors of that. The original 750,000 have multiplied into almost 3 million.

Funny though, 800,000 Jews were forced to flee Arab countries, with all their land and goods seized from them.

why is there not a JEWISH refugee problem?

Because Israel took them in.

Meanwhile, the Palestininans have been abandoned by all the Arab countries, except for sending cash to encourage attacks on Israel. Jordan refuses to take back the West Bank.

The Palestinian problem, the refugee problem, the entire Israel/Arab conflict is CURRENTLY the fault of the Arab nations. PERIOD.

So Aeon, let us hear you Peace Plan. I'm serious, I'd love to hear your proposal to end the conflic.

I suspect, like every good proto-fascist Quebecois, your prefered solution to the question would be every Jew in the world stick a pistol in their mouth and try to pull the trigger twice.

Or the equivalent in Israel.

 

[I think not]

Are you that stupid?

Being called stupid by you is actually a compliment.

Find one person in quebec( a french one) who think israel are for a peace solution, good luck.

And you are proud of a herd mentality? Wonderful, that explains much.


And thanks Colpy, you saved me the trouble of a long post.

 

[aeon]

No, are YOU that stupid.

Originally, 750,000 were refugees. The 400,000 you speak of are the survivors of that. The original 750,000 have multiplied into almost 3 million.

Funny though, 800,000 Jews were forced to flee Arab countries, with all their land and goods seized from them.

why is there not a JEWISH refugee problem?

Because Israel took them in.

Meanwhile, the Palestininans have been abandoned by all the Arab countries, except for sending cash to encourage attacks on Israel. Jordan refuses to take back the West Bank.

The Palestinian problem, the refugee problem, the entire Israel/Arab conflict is CURRENTLY the fault of the Arab nations. PERIOD.

So Aeon, let us hear you Peace Plan. I'm serious, I'd love to hear your proposal to end the conflic.

I suspect, like every good proto-fascist Quebecois, your prefered solution to the question would be every Jew in the world stick a pistol in their mouth and try to pull the trigger twice.

Or the equivalent in Israel.

Nope.

The war that ensued was won by Israel, creating a large number of Arab refugees. Estimates vary from about 520,000 (Israeli sources) to 726,000 (UN sources) to over 800,000 (Arab sources) refugees, Palestinian Arabs who fled or were forced out of their homes during the fighting. This number has grown to include over 4.6 million displaced persons, about 3.7 million of whom are currently registered as refugees with the UNRWA (United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees).

http://www.mideastweb.org/refugees1.htm



Of course, it is always arabs fault, it is the arab who illegally occupied israel, it is the arab who illegally started a war against iraq, no wonder why, it has been 30 years that we are constantly bombard by US movies that are painting arabs always as the bad guys, same for tv series, and all our media.

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Have you ever seen a movie, that paint badly the jews?



Syria and jordan are helping the palestinians, and they are arabs, so your point about arabs not helping the palestinians, wortth absotly nothing.



On what basis do you say that quebec are proto-fascist quebecois? on absotly nothing , just like everything you say.



There is no solution to peace,our leader recognize hamas as a terrorist organisation, then our scum bags leaders must also recognize israel-governement as a terrorist organisations, cause when you look at what both did in the last 20 years, hamas looks like angels to compare to what israeli governeemnt did so far, so let's stop the bu.l.ls.h.it and let's face the reality, otherwise, it will only get worst.