Palestinian hero kidnapped israeli soldier

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EastSideScotian said:
aeon said:
EastSideScotian said:
Remember how the Jews wandered around for along time in the desert, waiting to be allowed into the Promise land? That Promise Land was Israel.

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Who the fr.e.eking hell promise that land?? tell me, who on earth did promise this land to jew? nobody did except retards Zionist.
God did. But I supose you dont beleave in him ethier....


Jersay said:
Mogz that is the most stupid comments i have ever heard come out of you yet. People just seem to like to forget that Israeli is in the wrong as they are occupying and they have been occupying the West Bank and Gaza for 38 years, illegally. And the Palestinians don't have the money or the equipment to fight against one of the world's. So I am sorry that they have to throw rocks, they have to use bombs and their own bodies and you think they are from the stone age. Stupid just stupid.

East Side Scotian that is the most stupidest thing I ever heard. They get the promise land so it is okay to kick out the indigenous people living there.

All you people who support Palestines actions are clearly bounceing off the idiot train bound to nowhere, Palestien has been given chance after chance to make peace, instead they spit in its face, because they are Muslims who cant stand the fact that Jews are next door to them, just like the Magority of the Middle east...They Say they want to dystroy Israel, as does Iran, Iraq, Jordan to a degree.....Its because they dont want to get along with Jews, the Jews could care less about wipeing out Muslim nations...

Why are they the only one with nuclear weapons then.

And people show and list each and every thing Israel has done for peace. None because they immediately attacked or did something after, they don't want peace they have never had peace since its creation.
Isreal, really does want peace, they have Nukes to protect themselves from countrys that straight out hate them, Iran has called fort he dystruction of Israel time and time again, Iraq and Paleistine.....Palesitne blows up their public transit kills innocent people...much before Israel had really done anything about it, I dont think you know to much about the History of Israel, maybe you should read it....Iam sure there is a wikipedia link you can find... :roll: Since thats where it seems you like to base most of your knowlage. Before you go hateing on Israel maybe read some of the bible, maybe read, i donno a history book about israel, Its fine you can read stuff about how zionism is ruining the middle east, but not actully understand what its all about or know anything about the Jewish/Hebrew people and their history....You only know one side of the story....because if you know both sides you wouldnt be backing the Palestine athourity.

Wikipedia is good for links to intelligent sites so if you didn't find that out your hopeless.

As long as I am a Viking I am not going anywhere near a Bible.

I done alot of research on both sides, and I am not going to say because our government is going to support Israel why should I.

Fact Palestinians are poor, they live under occupation, there are militant groups and such, however why should I support the occupier.

I don't hate Israel I think it should exist, Moron, however with brutal tactics against ordinary Palestinians why should I support it. Like I don't support militants. Learn your facts before you spout off.
 

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aeon said:
EastSideScotian said:


Ok i am done with you, i don't argue with people who believe in fairy tail.

And you sir, are an embarrasment to those that call themselves atheists. Please, refrain from being an atheist. Thank you.

As for god giving land to the Israelis, the Palestinians, and other Muslims, think the same thing about themselves. You cannot reference the Bible as a historical text because a good portion of the world is under the impression that the Bible is a bunch of huey, and will not even consider it as evidence.

If you want to base your claim on historical residence, you can do that and have it accepted. However, muslims were also there and have a good, if not better, claim on that land. Thing is, possession is 9/10 of the law. The Jews have it, and so long as they defend it, they will always have it. Its that simple.

Yes, the Jews were wronged by Germany. Yes, Palestine was kinda screwed by the UN. But that happened sixty years ago. It is time to grow up, get over it, and move on. Instead of blaming everyone else for their problems, the Palestinians need to negotiate with Israel so that the Palestinians can attempt to grow their nation into something better than what they have now. Which isn't a hole lot.

If they don't, eventually Israel is going to roll over and crush them, and there won't be anyone left to complain. Honestly, does anyone think that the Israeli are going to simply give up their claim to their land? I doubt it. Even retards like aeon can see that.



Israel has to stop playing hypocryte, the west has to recognize israel governement as a terrorist, israel has to show real motivation to peace, until then there is no peace solution at all.
 

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Brutal tactis are used against ordinary people on both sides Jersay. Quit being so one sided with this. See below, from wiki. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Aqsa_Intifada

On August 24, 2004, Haaretz reporter Zeev Schiff published casualty figures based on Shin Bet data. Here is a summary of the figures presented in the article:

* Some 1,001 Israelis were killed by Palestinian attacks in the al-Aqsa Intifada, most of them (more than 75%) civilians.
* Palestinians sources claim 2,736 Palestinians killed in the intifada.
* The Shin Bet has the names of 2,124 Palestinian dead.
* Out of the figure of 2,124 dead, 1,414 (or 66%) were said to be combatants (armed men and/or "terrorists"). The casualties are thus assigned to organizations:
o 466 Hamas members
o 408 Fatah's Tanzim and al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades
o 205 Palestinian Islamic Jihad
o 334 of Arafat's guard Force 17, the Palestinian police and the General Intelligence
 

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DurkaDurka said:
Brutal tactis are used against ordinary people on both sides Jersay. Quit being so one sided with this. See below, from wiki. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Aqsa_Intifada

On August 24, 2004, Haaretz reporter Zeev Schiff published casualty figures based on Shin Bet data. Here is a summary of the figures presented in the article:

* Some 1,001 Israelis were killed by Palestinian attacks in the al-Aqsa Intifada, most of them (more than 75%) civilians.
* Palestinians sources claim 2,736 Palestinians killed in the intifada.
* The Shin Bet has the names of 2,124 Palestinian dead.
* Out of the figure of 2,124 dead, 1,414 (or 66%) were said to be combatants (armed men and/or "terrorists"). The casualties are thus assigned to organizations:
o 466 Hamas members
o 408 Fatah's Tanzim and al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades
o 205 Palestinian Islamic Jihad
o 334 of Arafat's guard Force 17, the Palestinian police and the General Intelligence

I absolutely agreed. And if the IDF forces and the Palestinian militants Hamas and all that wiped themselves out but left ordinary Palestinians and Israelis alone I would be happy because there is a movement over there for peace that ordinary Palestinians and Israelis work together. Its just the extremists on both sides that want this conflict to continue.
 

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aeon said:
Israel has to stop playing hypocryte, the west has to recognize israel governement as a terrorist, israel has to show real motivation to peace, until then there is no peace solution at all.

You should be proud of yourself Aeon, when you post you make the fringe left run for cover.
 

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aeon said:
Israel has to stop playing hypocryte, the west has to recognize israel governement as a terrorist, israel has to show real motivation to peace, until then there is no peace solution at all.

Maybe Israel should dig tunnels into the Gaza strip and kidnap a Palestinian policeman to show that they are comitted to finding peace in the region?
 

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aeon said:
Just the Facts said:
Jersay said:
Also, if an operation occurs and militants are killed fine. However if they occupy the land again which is illegal under international law then no.

So why pester them into a position where an "operation" is even a consideration. They left Gaza. Gone. Vacated. Hamas and Fatah have done nothing but give them excuses to come back with a vengeance and take ALL of Gaza. How stupid is that? All it does is prove incotrovertibly that Palestinians have no interest in a state. It's a ruse. All they want is to kill Jews.

Yeah that is why , there is about 100 times more victims from palestinians side, it is incredible how fascist and retards you are.

Thanks! I know I'm right when you start calling me names.
 

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Jersay said:
Just the Facts said:
Jersay said:
Illegal occupation. Under international obligations its illegal to rule or occupy a foreign land. So therefore no.

It's not foreign. It's Judea. Jews are Judeans.

The Israeli people who lived in Judea they are gone. The Jewish people now don't have a distinct claim that says they can go back and ensure a realitive lived in Judea. It died in the 7th century. They are foreigners.

Uh-huh. All the Jews, well they just done up and died, so we moved in.

Looks like we may be saying the same thing about the West Bank and the 20th century. :D

Welcome to the New and Improved 21st Century Judea. (That whole West Bank thing, well it just died in the 20th Century. :wave:
 

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Jesus will you just stay flushed....

I've been in the regular army, and i know how in general peoples are , and the way you talk about weaponery reminds me those days, and the fact that you lived in texas,i mean alberta, show me how you are, of course i generalize, but so far so good.

Yeah, your glorious career of what? Three years? So what, I talk about weapons and the capabilites of militarys world wide, so what? Is that a crime? I have a large educational background in both military history and weapons in general. You'd think I have something of an interest in those fields. Is it wrong to discuss such things? No, it isn't. My education, that I payed for, gives me the right to discuss what I want, with an informed opinion. If you don't like it, frankly my dear, I don't give a damn. With regard to me living in Alberta, what the hell does that have to do with anything? I'm only here because the Army posted me here, i've lived in; B.C., Alberta, Manitoba, Quebec, Ontario, Nova Scotia, and Germany through the course of my life. How does me being in Albeta now, somehow dictate my persona? Hell, I spent two years in Lahr Germany, does that mean i'm a NAZI? Get off your moral high horse aeon.

They did pretty much damage to palestinians already.
Was the jew's fault, when hitler decided to exterminate them??

Hahaha, for an "ex-soldier" you clearly don't understand what Israel could do to Palestine. Those items I mentioned, could FLATTEN Palestine you fool, yet it isn't flattened. It still stands, and Israel has been giving land back to the ingrates for years, yet the attacks on Israel keep happening. As for it being the Jews fault, you and I both know the answer to that. If you're going to attempt to say that Israel is trying to exterminate Palestine, I think you need to switch that sentance around. Which group has declared the intention to destroy the other? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't Israel. If it WAS Israel, believe me, Palestine wouldn't exist today, as Israel clearly has the ability to level everything in their way. So answer this aeon, why hasn't Israel utterly destroyed Palestine if that is their agenda?

Well i've seen a lot of kids playing with plastics guns, dressed in military uniform, so your point means absotly nothing at all.

How can you compare them to us? we sent troops on the other side of the planet,for something based on a lie, just for our own security, that is pretty chicken bastard to me.

We are in afganisthan based on speculation, since there is no evidence that alquada was behind it according to FBI, so we are there based on speculations.

You're honestly going to try and equate playing "war" as a kid to parents dressing their kids up as suicide bombers. What the f.uck is you damage aeon? You have a sick and twisted perspective on the World man. As for us deploying on a lie, as I said two times already in this thread (get it in to your head aeon), that's YOUR OPINION. You are not in a postion to make choices for this nation, and I know i'm not alone when I say, that's a good f.ucking. thing. To reiterate YOUR OPINION AEON. You aren't privy to what a Government knows....even though you may THINK you are.

Exactly, there is 100 000 palestinians refugee in montreal, and they never did a terrorist attacks ever, the fact that our governement isnt a terrorist, should help a lot.

That...had nothing to do with what you quoted aeon. Regardless, can you vouch that 100,000 people, and I quote:

never did a terrorist attacks ever

I'll answer for you, so you don't hurt yourself thinking. No you cannot, you don't know each of those people, so don't making absurd claims. [whisper]Between you, me, and my Max Payne Mousepad, it further degrads what tattered shreds of dignity you have left[/whisper]

Saudi arabia moderate?? man, you just proved to me that you are an ignorant at the highest level, saudi arabia, supported hamas, hellzobolah, alquad until 1998,the threatment against women is the worst in arab nations.

Until 1998. That's eight years ago aeon. A lot happens in eight years. Besides, their treatment of women is the worst in the arab nations. Is that a fact? Or is that you just throwing things out (i.e. there is 100 000 palestinians refugee in montreal, and they never did a terrorist attacks ever). Everything i've ever read has listed Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq as being the worst. Especially Lebanon, where women are regularily tourtured before they're even given a trial. Furthermore, you can be a moderate and still support your religious ideals. Saudi Arabia IS a moderate, regardless of the "facts" you bring to the table, or the insults you hurl (might want to put your purse down before you toss next time by the way). Now i'm going to hit you with some knowledge as to WHY the Saudi's are moderate:

1. Saudi Arabia and the U.S. have long-standing economical and defense ties
2. Saudi Arabia was a key member of the coalition during the GUlf War (1990-1991)
3. Since the Gulf War, U.S. Aircraft have been allowed base themselves in Saudi Arabia
4. Saudi Arabia opposes the War in Iraq, but has continued to assist the U.S. FOrce in the region with flight stop overs and refueling.
5. Saudi Arabia and the U.S. mutually agreeded to the withdrawl of all PERMANANT U.S. Land Forces in the Country
6. Following 9/11 Saudi Arabia opened their information banks to U.S. intelligence agencies
7. Since 2003 Saudi Arabia as cooperated more with the United States than any other Arab nation

Need I go on? Moderation has its merits aeon. Especially when you're dealing with a super power.
 

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Mogz said:
Jesus will you just stay flushed....


Yeah, your glorious career of what? Three years? So what, I talk about weapons and the capabilites of militarys world wide, so what? Is that a crime? I have a large educational background in both military history and weapons in general. You'd think I have something of an interest in those fields. Is it wrong to discuss such things? No, it isn't. My education, that I payed for, gives me the right to discuss what I want, with an informed opinion. If you don't like it, frankly my dear, I don't give a damn. With regard to me living in Alberta, what the hell does that have to do with anything? I'm only here because the Army posted me here, i've lived in; B.C., Alberta, Manitoba, Quebec, Ontario, Nova Scotia, and Germany through the course of my life. How does me being in Albeta now, somehow dictate my persona? Hell, I spent two years in Lahr Germany, does that mean i'm a NAZI? Get off your moral high horse aeon.

True, i admit that, i went a little too far, but you still a fascist.

Mogz said:
Hahaha, for an "ex-soldier" you clearly don't understand what Israel could do to Palestine. Those items I mentioned, could FLATTEN Palestine you fool, yet it isn't flattened. It still stands, and Israel has been giving land back to the ingrates for years, yet the attacks on Israel keep happening. As for it being the Jews fault, you and I both know the answer to that. If you're going to attempt to say that Israel is trying to exterminate Palestine, I think you need to switch that sentance around. Which group has declared the intention to destroy the other? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't Israel. If it WAS Israel, believe me, Palestine wouldn't exist today, as Israel clearly has the ability to level everything in their way. So answer this aeon, why hasn't Israel utterly destroyed Palestine if that is their agenda?


I know israel could get rid of the entire palestine if they wanted , but so far , they did a pretty good job.



Mogz said:
You're honestly going to try and equate playing "war" as a kid to parents dressing their kids up as suicide bombers. What the f.uck is you damage aeon? You have a sick and twisted perspective on the World man. As for us deploying on a lie, as I said two times already in this thread (get it in to your head aeon), that's YOUR OPINION. You are not in a postion to make choices for this nation, and I know i'm not alone when I say, that's a good f.ucking. thing. To reiterate YOUR OPINION AEON. You aren't privy to what a Government knows....even though you may THINK you are.


What governement knows exactly that we don't know? that satan came in palestine and iraq, and now all of them are demon?

Still no evidence who is behind the event, but we are still in afganisthan, for reason which is still unknown,except the governement, pretty ridicoulus your arguments.


Mogz said:
That...had nothing to do with what you quoted aeon. Regardless, can you vouch that 100,000 people

Yes it does, in canada, our government, doesnt bulldoze a home to give it to someone else that comes from russia or europe.


Mogz said:
I'll answer for you, so you don't hurt yourself thinking. No you cannot, you don't know each of those people, so don't making absurd claims. [whisper]Between you, me, and my Max Payne Mousepad, it further degrads what tattered shreds of dignity you have left[/whisper]

So, they didnt do anything in here,they have a normal life.



Mogz said:
Until 1998. That's eight years ago aeon. A lot happens in eight years. Besides, their treatment of women is the worst in the arab nations. Is that a fact? Or is that you just throwing things out (i.e. there is 100 000 palestinians refugee in montreal, and they never did a terrorist attacks ever). Everything i've ever read has listed Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq as being the worst. Especially Lebanon, where women are regularily tourtured before they're even given a trial. Furthermore, you can be a moderate and still support your religious ideals. Saudi Arabia IS a moderate, regardless of the "facts" you bring to the table, or the insults you hurl (might want to put your purse down before you toss next time by the way). Now i'm going to hit you with some knowledge as to WHY the Saudi's are moderate:

1. Saudi Arabia and the U.S. have long-standing economical and defense ties
2. Saudi Arabia was a key member of the coalition during the GUlf War (1990-1991)
3. Since the Gulf War, U.S. Aircraft have been allowed base themselves in Saudi Arabia
4. Saudi Arabia opposes the War in Iraq, but has continued to assist the U.S. FOrce in the region with flight stop overs and refueling.
5. Saudi Arabia and the U.S. mutually agreeded to the withdrawl of all PERMANANT U.S. Land Forces in the Country
6. Following 9/11 Saudi Arabia opened their information banks to U.S. intelligence agencies
7. Since 2003 Saudi Arabia as cooperated more with the United States than any other Arab nation

Need I go on? Moderation has its merits aeon. Especially when you're dealing with a super power.

Only alquada , they apperently stopped financing them, but there is suspeicion they still, also, saudi still and always financed, hamas, hellzbolllah.

After 9-11, fbi couldnt access saudi terrorist family for investigation, it took about 6 month, they also were very reluctant to freeze the assets


What the hell everything you mention this has to do with being moderate?? nothing at all, yes saudi arabia is the worst regardings rights of women, get inform your self and it is about time.


How people like those in people in the saudi gov get away with this??

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/w...ode=&contentId=A22088-2002Aug15&notFound=true

http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1127811912376



tell me???
 

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Just the Facts said:
Jersay said:
Just the Facts said:
Jersay said:
Illegal occupation. Under international obligations its illegal to rule or occupy a foreign land. So therefore no.

It's not foreign. It's Judea. Jews are Judeans.

The Israeli people who lived in Judea they are gone. The Jewish people now don't have a distinct claim that says they can go back and ensure a realitive lived in Judea. It died in the 7th century. They are foreigners.

Uh-huh. All the Jews, well they just done up and died, so we moved in.

Looks like we may be saying the same thing about the West Bank and the 20th century. :D

Welcome to the New and Improved 21st Century Judea. (That whole West Bank thing, well it just died in the 20th Century. :wave:

They did not die they were displaced and there are no direct links between the Jewish people of today living in Israel and the ones living there in the 7th century. It is a religion that goes out and converts.

Keep dreaming about keeping West Bank and Gaza.
 

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They torture people in Lebanon with a U.S backed government??

Until 1998. That's eight years ago aeon. A lot happens in eight years. Besides, their treatment of women is the worst in the arab nations. Is that a fact? Or is that you just throwing things out (i.e. there is 100 000 palestinians refugee in montreal, and they never did a terrorist attacks ever). Everything i've ever read has listed Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq as being the worst. Especially Lebanon, where women are regularily tourtured before they're even given a trial. Furthermore, you can be a moderate and still support your religious ideals. Saudi Arabia IS a moderate, regardless of the "facts" you bring to the table, or the insults you hurl (might want to put your purse down before you toss next time by the way). Now i'm going to hit you with some knowledge as to WHY the Saudi's are moderate:

1. Saudi Arabia and the U.S. have long-standing economical and defense ties
2. Saudi Arabia was a key member of the coalition during the GUlf War (1990-1991)
3. Since the Gulf War, U.S. Aircraft have been allowed base themselves in Saudi Arabia
4. Saudi Arabia opposes the War in Iraq, but has continued to assist the U.S. FOrce in the region with flight stop overs and refueling.
5. Saudi Arabia and the U.S. mutually agreeded to the withdrawl of all PERMANANT U.S. Land Forces in the Country
6. Following 9/11 Saudi Arabia opened their information banks to U.S. intelligence agencies
7. Since 2003 Saudi Arabia as cooperated more with the United States than any other Arab nation

Need I go on? Moderation has its merits aeon. Especially when you're dealing with a super power.

Saudi Arabia is crap on women rights, even Iran is better.
 

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dekhqonbacha said:
It's a good thread for aeon. S/he is very popular and must be very proud of him/herself.

Everybody adressing him/her and s/he replying to every post. It's kinda cool.

yes aeon is very happy.
 

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Colpy said:
Aeon said
as long as they respect geneva convention regardings prisoners

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA You've GOT to be kidding! :D :lol: 8O

Edited to say:
Tell you what, Aeon, IF this unfortunate kid turns up alive without escaping or being rescued by Israeli troops, I will offer you a public and heartfelt apology.

If he appears under any circumstances alive and NOT mistreated, I will not only apologize, but will refrain from criticizing any of your posts for 30 days, and will publically declare you to have a superior intellect.

In return, if this kid turns up dead or tortured, you will do a post (just one) critical of the Palestinians, and praising the Israelis. Makes it a bet of dollars against doughnuts.

Agreed?



Apperently our deal doesnt work anymore, since israel just did a recent devastated attacks.

Israel reoccupied areas of southern Gaza yesterday and bombed bridges and an electricity plant to force Palestinian militants to free the abducted soldier. The electricity supply for half of Gaza has been cut and all supplies of fuel and food have been halted.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1808768,00.html


Well since israel is cutting all supplies of food and fuel, that gives green light to palestinians militant to do what they want with the kidnapped soldier.
 

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I've got to say that kidnapping that soldier was a big mistake. Israel will bomb the shit out of every Palestinian they can get their sights on until he is free. If he turns up dead they will bomb even more. Israel doesn't recognise anything remotely like the Geneva Convention. They will use this as an excuse to kill as many Palestinians as possible.