Our Glorious Afghan Mission

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It's a five minute wade, if that's to deep stay in the shallow end.
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tsk tsk that is not nice. All you were asking was a short version, was nothing to jump you for.
:bs:America is no worse than Canada for being in the war, reasons are the same. We should mind our own business too, and let them live and run their country any way they please none of our concern.

The taliban could have prevented the afghan war, they chose not to do that, all they had to do was hand over that tall dude in the stinky robe, who calls all the shots for the fighting, they said 'NO", when asked, and "no" again. They were arrogant and defiant, couldnt care less about the 3000 dead people, from many different countries, who
were in the trade centers. Although I hate Bush with a passion, I have to face the truth in this situation, and I blame the taliban for the dead afghans, not the coalition.
Now, Iraq is another story.
 

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Quite right. If the Taliban weren't so focused on world domination, were actually rational and compassionate people, an awful lot more than a few thousand lives would be still around. Saying that the Taliban should be left alone is like saying Hitler's Nazis during the 3rd Reich should have been left alone: ridiculous and rather uncaring for the Afghan people that were oppressed by the Taliban. How many people have been directly killed or harmed by Taliban actions? How many people have been killed or harmed by the Taliban's opiate products? I agree that everyone should mind their own business, but that opinion stops when someone's business harms others.
BTW, the Taliban are led by someone who isn't even Afghan: he's a Saudi Arabian. Let him run the country? What an inane idea. Perhaps Syed Yousaf Raza Gillani, Kim Jong-il, or G W Bush should run Canada.
 
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Colpy you are are comparing home invasion to invited guests. US soldiers in Canada are invited guests. Us soldiers in Germany and Japan and South Korea are OCCUPATION FORCES but you don't know the difference. Provide one piece of information to evidence that Germany is no longer occupied or that Germany is no longer under "1945 UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER". Any idiot can spout nonesense.
 

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Colpy you are are comparing home invasion to invited guests. US soldiers in Canada are invited guests. Us soldiers in Germany and Japan and South Korea are OCCUPATION FORCES but you don't know the difference. Provide one piece of information to evidence that Germany is no longer occupied or that Germany is no longer under "1945 UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER". Any idiot can spout nonesense.

Well, you have proven your last statement, I'll give you that.........

The German Constitution, adopted in May of 1949.....the end of occupation.

http://www.helplinelaw.com/law/germany/constitution/constitution01.php

The Constitution of Japan:

http://www.solon.org/Constitutions/Japan/English/english-Constitution.html

which states in part:

We, the Japanese people, acting through our duly elected representatives in the National Diet, determined that we shall secure for ourselves and our posterity the fruits of peaceful cooperation with all nations and the blessings of liberty throughout this land, and resolved that never again shall we be visited with the horrors of war through the action of government, do proclaim that sovereign power resides with the people and do firmly establish this Constitution. Government is a sacred trust of the people, the authority for which is derived from the people, the powers of which are exercised by the representatives of the people, and the benefits of which are enjoyed by the people. This is a universal principle of mankind upon which this Constitution is founded.

See anything in these documents allowing for foreign sovereignty in either nation?

Guess what? The occupation was finished well over 50 years ago: try to keep up.
 
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Quite right. If the Taliban weren't so focused on world domination, were actually rational and compassionate people, an awful lot more than a few thousand lives would be still around. Saying that the Taliban should be left alone is like saying Hitler's Nazis during the 3rd Reich should have been left alone: ridiculous and rather uncaring for the Afghan people that were oppressed by the Taliban. How many people have been directly killed or harmed by Taliban actions? How many people have been killed or harmed by the Taliban's opiate products? I agree that everyone should mind their own business, but that opinion stops when someone's business harms others.
BTW, the Taliban are led by someone who isn't even Afghan: he's a Saudi Arabian. Let him run the country? What an inane idea. Perhaps Syed Yousaf Raza Gillani, Kim Jong-il, or G W Bush should run Canada.

The Taleban ended a western sponsered/armed civil war.
The Taleban eliminated opium during thier time of governance
The coalition forces promote and cultivate as well as ship the finished heroine to europe via Kosavo using military transports the proceeds from these drugs fund covert operations in many regions.
The death toll of Afghans directly because of coalition action exceeds 1.2 million, Canadian forces are engaged in genocide and can be considered war criminals under the Geneva conventions of war. No ammount of BS will change those facts.
 

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The Taleban ended a western sponsered/armed civil war.
The Taleban eliminated opium during thier time of governance
The coalition forces promote and cultivate as well as ship the finished heroine to europe via Kosavo using military transports the proceeds from these drugs fund covert operations in many regions.
The death toll of Afghans directly because of coalition action exceeds 1.2 million, Canadian forces are engaged in genocide and can be considered war criminals under the Geneva conventions of war. No ammount of BS will change those facts.

DB!

Dump your latest stash!

It's sprayed with something lethal to the thought process!

Either that, or you were born an absolute moron.

I have never, in my time here, read anything as stupid, untrue, unsupported or ridiculous as the above.

It is almost better than Logic 7.
 

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NATO, Kosovo, Afghanistan and Pakistan: What is NATO Doing in Afghanistan?

By Faheem Hussain

Global Research, June 9, 2008
Counterpunch - 2008-06-06

What is NATO doing in Afghanistan? What are the true aims of NATO intervention in the region? These are the questions that I mean to address in this article. To understand what is happening in Afghanistan one has to go back to the attack on Yugoslavia by NATO forces in February 1999.
After the collapse of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact, NATO lost its raison d'être given that Western Europe and the United States were no longer threatened by an invasion from Eastern Europe. NATO thus had the choice between disbanding itself or developing a new reason for its existence. This gave the opportunity to the United States to reshape NATO in ways that would serve its imperial interests. It is very important to remember that its founding documents clearly say that NATO was a defensive organisation, which would go into action only when one of its member states was attacked.
The first step in the US strategy of changing the nature of NATO was the attack on Yugoslavia on the pretext of preventing ethnic cleansing. Clearly Yugoslavia had not attacked a NATO member state thus excluding a response from NATO. Whatever one can say about Kosovo, it was internationally recognised as an integral part of Yugoslavia (and is still internationally recognised as part of Serbia) and Yugoslavia did not attack or even threaten a NATO member state.
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DB!

Dump your latest stash!

It's sprayed with something lethal to the thought process!

Either that, or you were born an absolute moron.

I have never, in my time here, read anything as stupid, untrue, unsupported or ridiculous as the above.

It is almost better than Logic 7.

Yes of course Colpy.

Heroin is "Good for Your Health": Occupation Forces support Afghan Narcotics Trade - by Prof. Michel Chossudovsky - 2007-04-29
Multibillion dollar earnings for organized crime and Western financial Institutions

The War in Afghanistan: Drugs, Money Laundering and the Banking System - by Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya - 2006-10-17

Civilian Casualties in Afghanistan: No Coincidence- by Prof. Ira Chernus - 2007-09-23

The US and Her Fundamentalist Stooges are the Main Human Rights Violators in Afghanistan - by RAWA - 2007-12-14

- by Michel Chossudovsky - 2005-07-08
The Spoils of War: Afghanistan's Multibillion Dollar Heroin TradeWashington's Hidden Agenda: Restore the Drug Trade
- by Michel Chossudovsky - 2005-05-05
Who benefits from the Afghan Opium Trade?- by Michel Chossudovsky - 2006-09-21
Afghanistan: Drug Addiction Lucrative for Neolib Banksters, CIA- by Kurt Nimmo - 2006-05-21

Death Made In America: Impacts of Depleted Uranium Contamination on Afghanistan's ChildrenDisturbing Photographs
- by Dr. Mohammed Daud Miraki - 2006-05-09
Why 'legalising' Afghan opium for medicine is a non-starter - 2007-05-18
 
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The taliban could have prevented the afghan war, they chose not to do that, all they had to do was hand over that tall dude in the stinky robe, who calls all the shots for the fighting, they said 'NO", when asked, and "no" again. They were arrogant and defiant, couldnt care less about the 3000 dead people, from many different countries, who
were in the trade centers. Although I hate Bush with a passion, I have to face the truth in this situation, and I blame the taliban for the dead afghans, not the coalition.
Now, Iraq is another story.
Hold it! HOLD IT, talloola! You are forgetting the one important fact: The US was asked to present evidence that it was Bin Laden who ordered the towers destroyed. They asked several times....but the arrogant Americans couldn't produce any evidence, because there was none! They just demanded point blank to have Bin Laden handed over, and the Taliban kept asking for proof! The US never responded to that, but simply came with their bombers!

What kind of behavior is that? Accusing someone without any proof!! Just pure suspicion, speculation and imagination is good enough for the Americans to kill or torture someone.
 

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My lovely young woman....

Obviously you're not familiar with the belief construct at work behind the thinking of so many participants here at Canadian Content. If the United States says it was Usama Bin Laden then there can be no doubt! If the United States says Saddam Hussein has stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction...there can be no doubt!

When the United States says "We're gonna git him..." (George W. Bush)....there can be no doubt!

A great many participants here at Canadian Content fluff their plumage at the demonstration of "thinking for one's self...(NOT getting Canada involved in the invaison of Iraq) by Jean Chretien..... Perhaps Jean knew something that all these adamant Pro-American wannabes refuse to accept or acknowledge?
 

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Guilty Until Proven Innocent - The New American Way

[SIZE=+1]No evidence is necessary to order someone killed. Just the say-so of the man with the gun.

[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]Guilty until proven innocent. Osama bin Laden. Does he really exist? Are any of his tapes legit? And if he does exist, isn't he a CIA operative? He used to be, when he first started getting financial assistance from Washington. This is why the feds blocked John O'Neill's investigation. He was about to find out that bin Laden was working for the CIA, and that those embassy hits in Africa were done by the Mossad, not by Islamic Jihad (although there is some debate about the actual difference between the two).

But we had solid evidence against bin Laden, Blair said so. He just wouldn't tell us what it was.
And that's why 5,000 Afghanis had to die, even though there never really was any intention to catch bin Laden (if he really exists). But those Afghanis were guilty because they couldn't prove their innocence - they couldn't prove they didn't facilitate the destruction of two skyscrapers in New York - and that's why they had to die, in a hail of anonymous bunker busters from 30,000 feet.[/SIZE]
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Everything Americans have worked for over the past 227 years, to establish the rule of law over the emotions of the mob and the predations of the aristocracy, has been nullified by fake terror, insincere legislators and endless bribery.

[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Vigilante justice is the new order of the day in this frightening 2003 edition of the United States of America. Due process, the right to a fair trial, the right to be safe and secure in one's home " these are all things of the past, things we used to defend as the best traits of American freedom in those happy days before the self-inflicted War on Terror.

[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Now we are defending the right of the president to order people killed because he says they are bad guys. He doesn't need any evidence, because he's the president, according to Ari Fleischer, his sycophantic press secretary.

This is what we are presenting to our children as the actions of a democracy.[/SIZE]

Read on....http://www.rense.com/general32/newway.htm
 

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America has superseded both Bin Laden and the Taliban as the worlds greatest terrorists.

That's not a popular opinion... Canadians in particular WANT to believe that their political system isn't perverted and corrupt..despite years of evidence to the contrary. Canadians WANT to believe that we can "trust" America...despite lies and egregious betrayal and infamy practiced as American foreign policy..... Like Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.....we want to believe that our chosen icons of justice and a "nation of laws" aren't mere fantasy and wishful thinking.... We want to believe that a nation of lawless rebels cowboys gangsters and con-men evolved into an enlightened citizenry that subscribed to ideas like principle and values...... To entertain the reality that theres an enormous reservoir of information demonstrating that our "belief" in this Pollyana Reality is based on conditioning and bald-faced lies....shakes the foundations of our belief-systems to the very core of our being. We subscribed to the "belief" that the Roman Catholic Church was above pedophilia and recognized and acknowledged the usurpation of civil and criminal law..... while they hid the guilty. We desperately seek assurances that our beliefs are worthy of our trust and are the prudent course of thought. To have them revealed as entirely fallible and just as vulnerable to corruption and deceit as we've come to regard commerce as practiced by the charlatans and con-men of multi-national corporations undermines our belief in reality. We can't have it both ways however.

Either we accept that human institutions like religion and government are less deserving of respect honor and belief because they are product of Milquetoast principles and couterfeit values or we will continue to hand-over the future of the species to fools and renegades who hold their interests above the interests of humankind as a whole.

We choose.
 

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My lovely young woman....

Obviously you're not familiar with the belief construct at work behind the thinking of so many participants here at Canadian Content. If the United States says it was Usama Bin Laden then there can be no doubt! If the United States says Saddam Hussein has stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction...there can be no doubt!

When the United States says "We're gonna git him..." (George W. Bush)....there can be no doubt!

A great many participants here at Canadian Content fluff their plumage at the demonstration of "thinking for one's self...(NOT getting Canada involved in the invaison of Iraq) by Jean Chretien..... Perhaps Jean knew something that all these adamant Pro-American wannabes refuse to accept or acknowledge?
"My lovely young woman...." :smile::smile: Mikey, thank you for your compliment.... it went down like icecream with honey!!!;-)
37 is a wonderful age to be at!!!:cool:

I hadn't noticed your post before I put the long post in. But you are so right, there are still plenty of people here who would support Mr. B. The reason I have heard is that all other big powers, like China, Russia or India, are worse.

Yes, Chretien ...I liked him! He was not a weakling who needed to attach himself or be buddy-buddy with someone who had more power than he.

Why are we, why am I so disillusioned with America? Why do I bother? Why does it worry me? I don't live there and have no influence over their affairs and politics.
I think it is my disappointment... I had them on a pedestal as a teenager. I heard and read about the great freedom, the success stories of immigrants. They had such handsome gum-chewing, cigarette-smoking cool guys!! And all their beautiful young ladies... so glamorous, so talented and easy-going!!!!! In the magazines I read about all thosse intant-beauty creams!!!!! :lol::lol::lol: and slim-fast-powders!!! :lol::lol::lol::lol:

America - a dream for any teenager in the 1950 the world over!

Thanks, my friend!;-):smile:
 

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Canadian Workers Demand Immediate End to War in Afghanistan


Global Research, June 14, 2008
The Bullet

On 29 May 2009, the delegates at the national convention of the Canadian Labour Congress (CLC), representing more than three million workers from every region of Canada and Quebec, voted overwhelmingly to demand that the Government of Canada immediately end its participation in the illegal war in Afghanistan.
This CLC demand represents a significant consolidation of labour power. Several national unions, notably the Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW) and the Canadian Union of Public Employees (CUPE) had already adopted policies to oppose Canada's participation in the war in Afghanistan. However, some powerful unions whose members work in the rapidly expanding Canadian military and development industries could profit from continuing the war. The women and men of these unions made the difficult decision to stand in solidarity with the working people of Afghanistan rather than act on self-interest.
The Afghan War and the Canadian Military
The ongoing war in Afghanistan continues to kill uncounted thousands of Afghan civilians and cause immeasurable suffering due to horrendous injuries, the displacement of people from their homes and livelihoods, home invasions, arbitrary arrests and torture, sexual abuse, and the general humiliation of Afghans. This is an illegal war that cannot be justified by a few extra jobs for Canadian workers.
Since the war in Afghanistan began, Canada has become the sixth largest military exporter in the world, according to data collected by the U.S. Congressional Research Service. Canada is now behind only the USA, Russia, the UK, Germany, and China in export volume. The U.S. manufactures more than all other military manufacturers combined, so comparing Canada's military industrial complex to the American mega-industry is ridiculous. But, Canada trails China -- number five on the list -- by only a hundred million dollars worth of exports in an industry that brings billions of dollars into Canada. No one knows exactly how many billions of dollars military exports bring into Canada though. Why not? Because, for the past four years, the Canadian government, citing security concerns, has refused to release much of the data regarding the export of military products to the U.S. -- our biggest customer.
Canada's own military spending has risen considerably. Since the war began in 2001, Canada rose from the position of 16th to 13th biggest military spender in the world, and from 7th to 6th within NATO, according to a Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives report. Canada's defence budget projects a 37 percent increase in spending from 2001 to 2010.
The Canadian Association of Defence and Security Industries (CADSI) represents more than five hundred companies. In an interview with a CBC journalist, the CADSI president, Tim Page, claimed his industry represents about 70,000 jobs in over 177 federal ridings. This may not seem like a large number of workers, but it represents significant political power. Many of these high-tech jobs are among the best in the country.
However, the workers who build the weapons and everything else needed for warfare, as well as the service workers who make the Canadian state function, recognise that it is the shareholders who profit most from the rising fortunes of the companies in Canada's military industrial complex. Corporations such as GM Canada, Bombardier, Bell Helicopter, SNC-Lavalin, CAE Electronics, Pratt & Whitney Canada, Canadian Marconi, and Colt Canada are only a few of the Canadian based military suppliers profiting from the war in Afghanistan.
Canadian Development Aid in Afghanistan

The Canadian development industry also profits from the war and occupation. The one billion dollars Canada has "pledged" to spend on development in Afghanistan, from 2001 to 2011, pales in comparison to the 7.2 billion dollars already spent on the military mission. Nonetheless, a billion dollars is a significant sum. However, most development spending
 

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But only the moron calls others morons have you noticed, that Colpy?


Not recently... :)

However, I see no mention in your definition of "deployed" that "deployed" troops are occupation forces.

If so, by your own logic and graphs, Canada is occupied.....just to a lesser extent.

Of course millions of NATO troopas were deployed in Germany.....Germany was the front line against the Warsaw Pact nations, satellites of the USSR.

They were not occupying Germany, they were defending Germany.........all the Germans had to do was withdraw from NATO and ask them to leave.....
 
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Hey Colpy! :)

So why do you suppose Canadian and American ...or British or Dutch ...the "coalition of the willing"....don't destroy the means of resupply and materiel advantage that comes with harvesting dope...?

Might it be that as long as poppies grow on Flanders fields.......

We need to keep the door open for these criminals and warlords to practice war so Canada and America can continue the war...?

Why isn't there an international "coalition of the informed" that's prepared to pressure Pakistan into meeting its obligations...and yet Canada and others are "compelled" by "agreements" like NATO....to meet their's?

Does the prospect of an engineered and designed environment of war and conflict as "safety-valve" in some distant frontier nation ever occur to you as the real agent of conflict and mayhem behind what we're watching in Afghanistan and Iraq?
 

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Pipeline opens new front in Afghan war

Canadian role in Kandahar may heat up as allies agree on U.S.-backed energy route through land-mine zones and Taliban hot spots


SHAWN MCCARTHY
From Thursday's Globe and Mail
June 19, 2008 at 2:30 AM EDT

OTTAWA — Afghanistan and three of its neighbouring countries have agreed to build a $7.6-billion (U.S.) pipeline that would deliver natural gas from Turkmenistan to energy-starved Pakistan and India – a project running right through the volatile Kandahar province – raising questions about what role Canadian Forces may play in defending the project.
To prepare for proposed construction in 2010, the Afghan government has reportedly given assurances it will clear the route of land mines, and make the path free of Taliban influence.
In a report to be released Thursday, energy economist John Foster says the pipeline is part of a wider struggle by the United States to counter the influence of Russia and Iran over energy trade in the region.
The so-called Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India pipeline has strong support from Washington because the U.S. government is eager to block a competing pipeline that would bring gas to Pakistan and India from Iran.

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The TAPI pipeline would also diminish Russia's dominance of Central Asian energy exports.
Mr. Foster said the Canadian government has long ignored the broader geopolitical aspects of the Afghanistan deployment, even as NATO forces, including Canadian troops, could be called upon to defend the critical energy infrastructure.
“Government efforts to convince Canadians to stay in Afghanistan have been enormous,” he says in a report prepared for the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives, a left-of-centre think tank in Ottawa.
“But the impact of the proposed multibillion-dollar pipeline in areas of Afghanistan under Canadian purview has never been seriously debated.”
In an interview, Mr. Foster – a former economist with Petro-Canada, the World Bank and the Inter-American Development Bank – said he believes the TAPI project could provide major benefits for Afghanistan and the region generally. If the project proceeds – and serious obstacles remain – Afghanistan's national government could reap $160-million (U.S.) a year in transit fees, an amount equivalent to half the government's current revenue.
But he said the security issues remain daunting and the Canadian military could – wittingly or not – become embroiled in a “new great game” over energy security that is playing out in the region.
Acting Foreign Affairs Minister David Emerson – who chairs the cabinet committee on Afghanistan – would not comment on the pipel
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080619.wafghanpipeline19/BNStory/Afghanistan/home