Ottawans rally against 'horrendous' Ontario sex ed changes

Jinentonix

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I find it interesting there's so much resistance to scrapping a sex-ed curriculum that was drafted by a convicted pedophile. Are there that many closet kiddy diddlers among the leftoids or something?
 

White_Unifier

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I find it interesting there's so much resistance to scrapping a sex-ed curriculum that was drafted by a convicted pedophile. Are there that many closet kiddy diddlers among the leftoids or something?

I don't know the details of the curriculum, but we can't assume that because the drafter is a convicted pedophile, the curriculum necessarily promotes pedophilia. That said, one would think a sex-ed curriculum should include a section on sex addiction so anyone who suffers it knows where to he can get surgically castrated... er.. sorry, I mean get the help he needs before he hurts anyone.
 

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It's terrible that children in Ontario have to learn what was taught in 2014.
 

Hoid

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Actually 1998.

White nationalist climate change deniers are only vaguely concerned with facts.
 

Curious Cdn

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What a non-issue!

Any perverse combination of copulating humans are all accessible for free on the internet, 24/7. This "ole Time Relijin" nonsense is about appeasing a block of voters. The kids are clearly irrelevant when a crack head criminal thug is leading the charge.

Get real. We just fired the Ontario government. Do something tangible and leave church to church and state to state.
 

10larry

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The sane part in this proposed revamp is that doug sez parents will have input, when the pedophile and child porn fan drafted the previous one dolton asserted parents can have no say....libs know whats best for your kids.
 

Vbeacher

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Actually 1998.

White nationalist climate change deniers are only vaguely concerned with facts.

In fact, the biggest outcry against the new curriculum comes from the Toronto area, in particular, the heavily ethnic ridings north of Toronto filled with mostly Asians, esp Hindus and Muslims. These are very religious and sexually conservative people. And this happens to be the area the Fords get much of their support from.
 

White_Unifier

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In fact, the biggest outcry against the new curriculum comes from the Toronto area, in particular, the heavily ethnic ridings north of Toronto filled with mostly Asians, esp Hindus and Muslims. These are very religious and sexually conservative people. And this happens to be the area the Fords get much of their support from.

I'm white and don't profess Islam and yet I don't appreciate teaching kids that anything goes with sex either. Why do you think we have ever increasing rates of sexual assaults, molestation, female teachers having sex with their young students, prostitution, and STIs in our society along with men and women flying south to pay for sex on their holidays? So no, sexual conservatism is not just an Asian or Muslims thing.
 

Hoid

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In fact, the biggest outcry against the new curriculum comes from the Toronto area, in particular, the heavily ethnic ridings north of Toronto filled with mostly Asians, esp Hindus and Muslims. These are very religious and sexually conservative people. And this happens to be the area the Fords get much of their support from.
that has nothing to do with when the previous curriculum was implemented.

but thanks for the rumor
 

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Actually I listened to a couple of individuals (pro and con) side of this whole thing and the way the provincial government devised initially was not exactly how they have portrayed it from the conversation I heard. In fact, very few parents were actually consulted and there was a concern about the "age appropriateness" of what was being taught. (i.e. Don't think a 6 year old needs to know about masturbation - eventually yes, but not at 6!!) Lets give them the basics (vocabulary, good and bad touching) and let them be kids for heavens sakes!!


The one thing that disturbed me that the one individual (Pro) on the radio program I was listening to was that she stated categorically that "parents don't know what's best for their children therefore it was up to the school to ensure that they got the "correct" information and that pulling out of the current curriculum was regressive. I was appalled at the first part of that statement and the arrogance of it. Besides, how "regressive" could it be - has sex changed all that much? Are penis's and vagina's not in existence any more? Do STD's not still exist? The fact that she had no qualms in even stating that fact made me think that our education system is becoming more about propaganda rather than "education". And again, she stated that "MOST" 12 and 13 year olds were having sex. Again, I'm sure there are some that are, but to categorically state that all or most are having sex is in and of itself is ridiculous with stats based on assumptions that she cannot quantify. That should be a red flag for parents. I'm glad I don't have any children in the educational system today and I worry about those who are and will be in the future as I wouldn't want that lady (whomever she was) teaching my kid!!


While there may be parents who have difficulty discussing sex with their children, to so broadly apply it to "all" parents was extremely disturbing to me. I believe parents now-a-days (not like when I grew up) are far more liberal and open-minded and most likely have no qualms in discussing sex, along with correct names of body parts and where babies come from etc., etc. with their kids then mine ever were. And, if they didn't feel comfortable, they have access to materials or others individuals to ensure their kids get the appropriate information. Hey, but maybe I'm wrong; but the young parents I know don't seem to have an issue discussing such things with their kids. Are they the exception?


Are there parents on CC that have younger children and have you dealt with or are you dealing with this topic? Personally, I would want to review the curriculum before I would let my child in the class to ensure that what was being taught was appropriate and, was being taught by someone who is a (medical?) professional in this area and not a teacher.


Is anyone else here as disturbed by the "most" and "all" statements being made by individuals? Generalizations are quite disturbing and aren't particularly helpful to my mind.


My curious mind wants to know..... am I totally out to lunch?


JMHO
 

Hoid

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I find it hilarious that in the Age of Porn people think their kids have not seen everything there is to see by about age 8.
 

Danbones

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"parents don't know what's best for their children therefore it was up to the school to ensure that they got the "correct" information ..."

Well now, that's a communist C word nigga B word fag pedo right there.
 

Danbones

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Shhhh! Hoid will grow up to find out about those later!
;)
Don't spoil the surprise!
 

Dixie Cup

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In fact, the biggest outcry against the new curriculum comes from the Toronto area, in particular, the heavily ethnic ridings north of Toronto filled with mostly Asians, esp Hindus and Muslims. These are very religious and sexually conservative people. And this happens to be the area the Fords get much of their support from.





Then as far as I'm concerned, their wishes should be respected. They should be allowed to have their kids opt-out of the program. They are the parents after all. But hey, it seems parental rights are passé. While I may not agree with their choices we have to respect their decisions.


Having said that, my concern would be for the females of these families - some would be very susceptible to outside influences and I strongly believe that somehow, we need to ensure they receive the information they need to keep themselves safe and it isn't necessarily just about sex either.


JMHO
 

White_Unifier

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Then as far as I'm concerned, their wishes should be respected. They should be allowed to have their kids opt-out of the program. They are the parents after all. But hey, it seems parental rights are passé. While I may not agree with their choices we have to respect their decisions.


Having said that, my concern would be for the females of these families - some would be very susceptible to outside influences and I strongly believe that somehow, we need to ensure they receive the information they need to keep themselves safe and it isn't necessarily just about sex either.


JMHO

If you look up sexual abuse statistics for both boys and girls and men and women, you find that they are shockingly high:

https://www.rainn.org/statistics/children-and-teens
http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2014/03/coerced-sex.aspx
SACHA » Statistics

We also know that victims of sexual trauma can often develop compulsive sexual behaviours of their own once they reach adulthood. That behcaviour can range from nothing more than compulsive sexual thoughts to compulsive masturbation to compulsive promiscuity all the way up to paying for or selling sex, committing sexual assault, and molesting children. given the high rates of abuse, it should therefore come as no surprise that around 6-8% of Americans suffer some form of compulsive sexual disorder:
https://ce4less.com/Tests/Materials/E072Materials.pdf

With such high statistics in mind, it would make sense to include sex addiction in the curriculum to ensure that children who may develop any such disorder can recognize the signs and know where to find help.
 

Dixie Cup

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If you look up sexual abuse statistics for both boys and girls and men and women, you find that they are shockingly high:

https://www.rainn.org/statistics/children-and-teens
http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2014/03/coerced-sex.aspx
SACHA » Statistics

We also know that victims of sexual trauma can often develop compulsive sexual behaviours of their own once they reach adulthood. That behcaviour can range from nothing more than compulsive sexual thoughts to compulsive masturbation to compulsive promiscuity all the way up to paying for or selling sex, committing sexual assault, and molesting children. given the high rates of abuse, it should therefore come as no surprise that around 6-8% of Americans suffer some form of compulsive sexual disorder:
https://ce4less.com/Tests/Materials/E072Materials.pdf

With such high statistics in mind, it would make sense to include sex addiction in the curriculum to ensure that children who may develop any such disorder can recognize the signs and know where to find help.



No argument from me!