Ottawa approves Conrad Black’s request to live in Canada

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All I'm asking is; considering that Black has been critical of the Harper gvt, one might assume that this would be a golden opportunity for Harper to put the screws to Black on a political basis. Seeing how this is not happening, can we not believe that there is no political interference/favoritism going on here?

I wouldn't make that assumption as he would only be criticizing the criminal policy of the platform. Let's also not forget that the token conservatives in here are applauding his return.
 

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I wouldn't make that assumption as he would only be criticizing the criminal policy of the platform. Let's also not forget that the token conservatives in here are applauding his return.

And the token Cons know what the legal requirements are and Black meets them. While others let their personal opinion of Black interfere with their interpretation of the Law.
 

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I wouldn't make that assumption as he would only be criticizing the criminal policy of the platform. Let's also not forget that the token conservatives in here are applauding his return.


Everyone is basing a position (in part) on an assumption.

In terms of Mulcair, his protest should have been focused on the legal/policy requirements rather than obfuscate the issue with a pseudo-racial example.
 

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And the token Cons know what the legal requirements are and Black meets them. While others let their personal opinion of Black interfere with their interpretation of the Law.

No, it's just that their personal opinion on re-offense matches the decision that immigration made.
 

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I wouldn't make that assumption as he would only be criticizing the criminal policy of the platform. Let's also not forget that the token conservatives in here are applauding his return.

Of the members here, the only person applauding is Walter. Some of us can see why he was let back in regardless of our personal opinion of him. And some of us are having a hissy fit because we can't see past our own personal feelings of Black and/or Harper.
 

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Fiscally Conservative on budgets but realize that deficits do arise - but we should not get in the mess we were in during the 70's thru the 90's - Liberal on personal rights - Taxes should be raised a tad to assist the elderly and working poor.
Claw back on OAS should be lowered quite a bit.

Some of the laws passed by Harper I agree with - many I do not.

So tell me if I am a Conservative.
 

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Was there not before?
What about environmental abuse?

I believe it was 30 days - The cons barely raised it. I would have to look thru that beast of a crime bill but there are parts where violence is used in the commission of an offense that rates man mins.
Now I am off to bottle a batch of beer.
 

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Thanks, Goober. Have a good one. I kind of thought there might be one law...

I am boiling water for the corn sugar now- They increased time for financial crimes - Though in my opinion it is not enough - Take the guy in Montreal - stole 50 Mil - How many lives ruined - In my opinion that rates as a violent crime - How many heart attacks - stress - divorces - and on and on - The social costs of losing all you had is not considered. And that is wrong.

PS I believe he has to serve 6 years - should have been 20.
 

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Conrad Black: Views on improving prison system

Prison made Conrad Black a “better man,” said Judge Amy St. Eve upon sending him back in for another eight months.

By his own account the former media baron and member of the House of Lords was made “a humbler, more sensitive person” by his stay as inmate No. 18330-424.

And like Martha Stewart and Jonathan Aitken (a British cabinet minister imprisoned for perjury in 1999) before him, Black has become a passionate advocate for prison reform.

While his “victory lap” in a Miami prison ends Friday, here are some of his suggestions for improving the U.S. and Canadian prison system for those friends he leaves behind.

Scrap federal mandatory minimum sentencing:

“Unfortunately, like archaic cultures that clung to the belief that the Earth was flat, those who support mandatory minimum sentences for drug crimes are willfully ignorant of the near universal consensus that mandatory minimum sentences are both extremely costly and ineffective . . . it will be a sad legacy for Canadian conservatives if we sit quietly and ignore how U.S. society has been remarkably weakened by the same laws our government is now hell-bent on enacting.”
-National Post (with Evan Wood), May 14, 2011

Actively educate prisoners (taken from his experience as an inmate tutor of English and U.S. history):
“I would not meet the usual definition of a socialist, and many of my students acted unwisely and unscrupulously to get where they are.

But many are victims of legal and social injustice, inadequately provided for by the public assistance system, and over-prosecuted and vengefully sentenced. The greater competitiveness of the world makes the failures of American education, social services and justice unaffordable, as well as repulsive.

In tens of millions of undervalued human lives, as in the consumption of energy and the addiction to consumer debt, the United States pays a heavy price for an ethos afflicted by wantonness, waste and official human indifference.
-National Post, November 14, 2009

And prepare them for release back into society:
“Almost all the release preparation was done by inmates such as me giving advice for job resumes and career choices at variance from the pap uttered by the BOP (Bureau of Prisons) which effectively advised its charges to bag groceries and not think they could be making 100 times as much dealing drugs . . .

I have even urged former drug dealers to become bail bondsmen — they can take from the same huge pot of drug money, have good income and be legally employed in a growth industry.”
-A Matter of Principle (Black’s memoir, written during his first prison stay)

In fact, just don’t send some people to prison at all:
“Apart from those with a propensity to violence, and those who have committed other crimes on a Madoff scale, felons should receive a government insurance bond for their employers, and contribute work to society pro bono but with, where their circumstances require it, basic non-custodial shelter and meal vouchers, and treatment for substance abuse. Recidivists would have to be confined, but in prison or workshop facilities. Disused prison facilities could then be spruced up and reconfigured as housing for the indigent.”
-National Post, December 11, 2010

Don’t model the Canadian prison system on the American, as proposed by the Conservative omnibus crime bill
“It implicitly assumes that all who are convicted are guilty and have no remaining claim to decency from the state, and that treating confinees accordingly is in the interest of the legally unexceptionable majority.

Of course, great caution must be shown in the reintegration into society of violent criminals. But the objective of the penal system must be to return those capable of functioning licitly in society as quickly as practical, allowing also for straight punitive or retributive penalties, but not for mindless vengeance.”

Canada News: Conrad Black: Views on improving prison system - thestar.com
 

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Of course! I've read the comics. "What's good for General Bullmoose is good for the USA."

Let's all sing along.
WHAT'S GOOD FOR GENERAL BULLMOOSE - Lyrics - International Lyrics Playground

Wow, the comics are pretty crass these days.. Whodda thunk it that someone could get big laughs in the funny pages by poking fun at unemployed folks and the possibility of their not being able to consistently feed their children.

I guess that I just haven't developed a keen sense of comedic appreciation as others.