Origin of Universe: God <vs> Big Bang/Non-God theories
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Wow, I have -13 in rep points! And you guys should see them, they are mostly from Christians who don't agree with my opinions. Now that tells me something.
I've also got a couple of blue ones and one green one. Gee, I have handed out about a dozen green ones, of which more than half are to my opponents, and only handed out two red ones, one to the person who so wickedly insulted me as seen in my signature and one to a troller who just 'would not' leave me alone. One troller I actually gave a green one to. I don't take negative opinions pesonally though. ;-)
I've also got a couple of blue ones and one green one. Gee, I have handed out about a dozen green ones, of which more than half are to my opponents, and only handed out two red ones, one to the person who so wickedly insulted me as seen in my signature and one to a troller who just 'would not' leave me alone. One troller I actually gave a green one to. I don't take negative opinions pesonally though. ;-)
Thanks. I'm new here, but as far as fresh air goes, I got a fan made by Boeing over here...
Pet theory of mine:
In the beginning, there was a mass of energy and nothing else. Call it God, call it proto-matter, call it whatever. This energy was all there was, and it just sat there. Over eons, it became organized and gained consciousness of itself. This was fun for a while: I think, therefore I am. Then it got boring. I mean, there you are, most powerful thing around (only thing around as a matter of fact) and it's way before the invention of the couch, the TV, and the potato chip. So what's a deity/energy thingy to do? Well, there's nothing outside of me so might as well do somethign with all this energy. So WHAM! there's a Universe (connection with Genesis, Big Bang, et al.) Boy that looks great, sure is pretty too.
But after a while, it's like looking at a test pattern, fun at first, rapidly boring. So what's a deity/energy being to do? Well, play a game of course. But it has to be a good game, an interesting one, sorta like Tetris or The Sims. So take a little bit of energy and make these live game pieces and use the Universe as a game board and see what the pieces do. But the game didn't work. The pieces already KNEW they were part of a whole and the game got boring quickly. Then, huge brain wave: what if we make the pieces UNAWARE that it's a game and that the pieces are all really part of one and the same being (connection to religious beliefs and "life is everywhere" theories"). That would be more fun since the pieces would act as if it wasn't a game at all. They would have free will as if they were the most important thing in the world. Think of what could be learned and seen... think of the FUN!
And so we've been playing the game ever since...
Another sample of my 2% of a dollar.
It seems like quite a cop out to say that because I've seen plenty of people walk away from religion, they must not have been thoroughly influenced by it. Either my children will or will not be sufficiently influenced, but if taking them to church and sending them to Catholic school wasn't enough to sway my siblings, why would it be enough to sway my children? You implied it boiled down to intelligence levels, but that again doesn't hold true in my family.... so when does and doesn't this theory work?
I think you're right though, about not wanting to keep them away from religion until 12. If you were right, then all that is doing is indoctrinating them into your belief system. I see nothing wrong with teaching them about religion. Teaching them or not teaching them is the same thing: either way, you're deciding what kind of person your child should be when they grow up, and attempting to mold that. I fail to see what's wrong with the people I or any of my family have turned out to be.
I think it's all one and the same. It strikes me as simply different names for the same darn thing. Power.
I totally agree. Human thinking fails us when it comes to some areas. be it inadequate language to describe something, or an inability to wrap our tiny brains around something.
i never said you should take it down. But, so long as it's up, don't lecture others on pointing out bad behavior and ettiquette. also, thinking I know who wrote that, I wouldn't think that you're punishing her too much by parading her words out in the open. she says some highly derogatory things as a matter of habit, and doesn't seem to care one bit about what people think about the things she says. she's probably thrilled that something she'd have gotten in trouble from the mods for if she'd posted in the forum, is now being displayed for everyone to read.
So, this is the one and only unique area of the brain where the way it functions, and the reason it functions, are the same thing? I highly doubt that. Hearing, sight, sound, taste, touch, memory, sleep, learning.... everything else the brain does, the HOW and the WHY are not the same thing. We don't even have sleep, such a basic thing, figured out completely, but this has been figured out 100%?
Good point thorswolf, we don't even know for sure that we are the most intelligent animal on the planet or what actually constitutes intelligence, we do know that we don't percieve much of what's really in front of our eyes.:wave:
heeheehee... so long, and thanks for all the fish.... http://www.jengajam.com/r/dolphins-so-long-thank
So! You don't think that the bible is the word of god and it's infallible. That's good to know because many christians are not of your opinion. I'm just trying to sort out what brand of christian people are so I can talk about their beliefs. Sometimes it's like pulling teeth and I believe that may be because christians really don't want to betray what their beliefs really are because of the farout nature of them. Not catholics so much but definitely the literal young earthers of the U.S. But catholics too because of issues such as condom use which we have already started to cover.
This thread is a good place to air our views becasue it specifically asks for non-god ideas. Nobody can be accused of butting in on their party here!
What dispute? I know of no ongoing dispute with anyone. I know there are a couple who are carrying around a sour grapes attitude toward me but I'm sure they will grow out of it in time.
You are far from the only one to feel this binding sense or however you want to put it. Mostly all christians feel it too and even those who are in the process of giving up religion. The trouble is, once a child is immersed in it the child is going to suffer a lot if it tries to get out of it. It's the nature of the beast! That's why I am trying through talking to you about it to get others to read and start learning what the feeling really is. All it takes is courage to take the first step and then trust me, it becomes addictive.
But frankly karrie, I don't think you are going to change. But I urge you to give your child a chance to make up his own mind when he becomes old enough to do so. That means, don't fill his head with ideas which he will be totally incapable of discarding later on in life. That's all I am going to say to you on the subject of childhood impressions and imprinting of same.
You make it sound as if anybody who feels this binding force is somehow blinded by religion. I was not raised in a christian household, nor have I ever been attracted to christianity. Science can only explain so much.
Well that comes off to me as your fear that if you give a child a chance to make up his own mind, he may reject religion. It's obviously a false idea to say that by keeping it away from him he will become an atheist. You can't back that up with any evidence at all but if you think you can then I will welcome it. Do you comprehend why I would welcome it? You know I speak the truth don't you. And if you don't like being told by me then get in touch with a psychiatrist or a child psychologist who is not working on behalf of the church. You may be informed by the experts that your child is an animal just like all the other animals in this respect. Just like a baby duckling which adopts the first moving thing it sees as it's mother. I think you get the picture.
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Blinded by religion is aptly descriptive. A child psychologist wouldn't put it exactly that way. ;-) But I have said that there are other influences at play. Have you been reading all my comments on this matter? If so you will have read that child psychology is not my field so I directed karrie to seek the help of a professional if she wants to understand fully. She is charged with the huge responsibility of bringing up a child in the best way she knows how. You too will probably encounter that daunting task. I have and my children are not atheists, they are both unspoken agnostics I suppose because they really don't even think of it as far as I know. THey are good people and probably have higher opinions of others of different beliefs than most christians. They sure as hell don't condemn 4.5 billion people to the hellfires!
The issue goes back to my assertion that one who is born into christianity will in most likelihood remain a christian, as opposed to becoming a Muslim or a Buddhist. I know that you are not going to split hairs and point out the exceptions because we all recognize that they exist. And the reason why I pointed this out in the beginning is because of the horrible idea that most christians believe that they are the only ones who will be raptured up, blah, blah, blah. That is a very repugnant idea to me to think that 4.5 billion are going to roast. So I only say that if you feel this binding force you describe and karrie describes, investigate the answers which science offers you as an explanation. The simple fact is, that the large majority of cases are completely explainable. And maybe not all. It's up to you and frankly, now is a great time for you to do it. That's all!
I should have also added, nobody is safe from it and nobody is invulnerable against religion's influence.
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I really truly feel that not all people involved in religion feel the same way you and I do. Some are there for societal reasons. Some are there out of instilled guilt. I think that for anyone who feels like you and seeks answers, religion may be where they find them, or science may be where they find them. But I don't think being raised in religion makes a person feel the way we do. Most religious people I know have no clue what I'm describing when I try to bring it up.