Ontario PCs are really screwing up badly

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Ontario is a great place to live. Try not to parade your ignorance too loudly:)
Are you speaking as somebody with control just because of your old EU heritage or as an recent immigrant whose welfare is now reaching into the 2nd and 3rd generation because there is no opportunity for change, rather than they are determined stay on welfare as a career move.


Perhaps the advantage the West has, if we even have one, is there are fewer people out here so they fuk things up less on that note alone. Ontario retains power because of her population rather than the people there are more qualified to be running things. If they were the country would not be the shit-hole it is today. Example, buy foreign oil rather than put in a line to the west and use Canadian oil wile a power from the West would put the line through and then you were embargo proof and the contracts with the US for gas is cancelled as they need all they can produce and anything coming from western Canada is considered to be American as soon as it crosses the border.
One energy crunch and the west could see all the wefare cases from the east move here and that would give us the majority of people and Ontario would then survive on what?



You can judge a place by how the richest live, I tend to look at how the lest in society are doing to judge how well the rich are doing at running the place. You could start by admitting that we and out international friends are the reason there are refugees in the world today rather than blaming them for being driven from their homes.

Fords do that.
Those ones are fixable, why not the other kind?
 

mentalfloss

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Fords do that.

He's getting pretty good at it.

Ford once again presses Tory for action on gun violence in new letter
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ford-tory-gun-violence-letter-1.4790741



:lol:
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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...because a mountain of previously Provincial expenditures (such as housing for the poor) was downloaded on the City during the Harris years. Toronto has no power of taxation besides user fees and property taxes. The latter are too politically unpopular to raise, despite Toronto having (by far) the lowest Mill Rate of the GTA. More responsibilities to a rapidly growing population with no new revenues coming in ...


The Liberals held power for 15 years after Harris. That complaint about Harris was getting a little thin ten years ago.
 

Curious Cdn

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The Liberals held power for 15 years after Harris. That complaint about Harris was getting a little thin ten years ago.

This is true. They did didlly squat to fix it. The city had no ability to fix it, at all. It's hard to reverse downloading in the other direction. I don't know how, actually so the city is a victim of bad Provincial policy, yet again.
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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This is true. They did didlly squat to fix it. The city had no ability to fix it, at all. It's hard to reverse downloading in the other direction. I don't know how, actually so the city is a victim of bad Provincial policy, yet again.

The downloading started much higher up than the Harris government anyway. It started with the Chretien government cutting transfer payments to all provinces. But they ended up smelling like a rose because Martin balanced the books. He did it on the backs of all provinces, who then downloaded it on all municipalities, but that fact was lost somewhere in the stratosphere.
 

Walter

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The downloading started much higher up than the Harris government anyway. It started with the Chretien government cutting transfer payments to all provinces. But they ended up smelling like a rose because Martin balanced the books. He did it on the backs of all provinces, who then downloaded it on all municipalities, but that fact was lost somewhere in the stratosphere.

Lost in the prog agenda.
 

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Lost in the prog agenda.


Poor LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


They have been telling us for years that global warming is making our weather more extreme and that we must be better prepared!!!!!!!


And then a big storm comes in- as they do every summer and the city of Toronto grinds to a halt- across an increasingly flooded area!!!!!!!


Every year the flooding gets worse with more bridge underpasses flooded- and with more roads

blocked by rising waters!!!!!!!!!!!!


With ever more interruptions to TTC and Go transit services!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In the last big Toronto storm we even had a couple of guys trapped in a rapidly flooding elevator!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


With each summer the strain on our aging and rotten electrical grid grows and it gets ever easier for a storm to knock out power supplies to thousands of people!!!!!!!!!!!!


And of course power transformers blow up at regular intervals- sparking fires and road closures!!!!!!!!!!!!!


When LIE-berals tell us we should prepare for extreme weather- they mean we should resign ourselves to being stranded in the dark!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals would rather whine about gun control than do anything about our failing infrastructure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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Lost in the prog agenda.

No, I don't think it's that black and white. The economy was coming back. Martin was showing surpluses in his budgets. People aren't as analytical when there's food in their belly's and a paycheck coming in. It was easier to vilify the Premieres who were left holding the bag and tasked with making tough decisions. In the eyes of Liberal supporters, Paul Martin was an outstanding finance minister because he produced surpluses,even if those surpluses came at the expense of provinces.

Now here's a part you won't like, Walter, but it's true. The same phenomena is occurring in the states under Donald Trump.
 

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I think giving Harris a pass is ridiculous.

He should be in jail.
 

Curious Cdn

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No, I don't think it's that black and white. The economy was coming back. Martin was showing surpluses in his budgets. People aren't as analytical when there's food in their belly's and a paycheck coming in. It was easier to vilify the Premieres who were left holding the bag and tasked with making tough decisions. In the eyes of Liberal supporters, Paul Martin was an outstanding finance minister because he produced surpluses,even if those surpluses came at the expense of provinces.

The Provinces in turn downloaded a lot of their burden to the municipalities, such as having them provide low cost housing for the poor. The cities do that because it is preferable to having uncontrolled shanty towns spring up, as they do in other urban areas around the World. Since the GTA bears the brunt of most of the immigration into Canada to the tune of over a million a decade, it really should be the Feds covering the costs of relief housing construction as the need is directly a result of Federal immigration policies.
 

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The Provinces in turn downloaded a lot of their burden to the municipalities, such as having them provide low cost housing for the poor. The cities do that because it is preferable to having uncontrolled shanty towns spring up, as they do in other urban areas around the World. Since the GTA bears the brunt of most of the immigration into Canada to the tune of over a million a decade, it really should be the Feds covering the costs of relief housing construction as the need is directly a result of Federal immigration policies.

Facts aren't your friends.

Alberta surpasses B.C. as immigration destination.

More and more international arrivals are settling in the largest prairie province

Robson Fletcher ·

CBC News · Posted: Oct 25, 2017 11:44 AM MT | Last Updated: October 25, 2017

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-recent-immigrants-2016-census-data-1.4370779

But come 2017/18

The international migration rate to CMAs in the Prairies and Atlantic Canada remained stable, while it grow in all other areas. Despite this, Regina still had the highest international migration rate at 2.1 per cent. This is the Queen City’s second consecutive year topping this stat.