Ontario Conservatives have gone LIBERAL
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Sajjan is heading Operation Unified to make peace or train and arm soldiers or putting Canadian troops into combat?
Have you noticed Liberals stirring up Cold War Ways when it comes to Russia? This is like the good old days.
More sanctions on Russia, Canadian sourced NATO Arms and training for Ukraine and Baltic Nations,
Big investments in ag and industry by Canadian Corps for Ukraine.
Goodale has been quite vocal in the house for years in regards to locking horns with Russia.
More sanctions on Russia, Canadian sourced NATO Arms and training for Ukraine and Baltic Nations,
Big investments in ag and industry by Canadian Corps for Ukraine.
Goodale has been quite vocal in the house for years in regards to locking horns with Russia.
Ontario premier calls $12B in savings in PC platform 'ridiculous'
TORONTO -- The Progressive Conservatives' suggestion that $12 billion could be cut from Ontario's budget is "ridiculous," Liberal Premier Kathleen Wynne says as her party crystallizes its criticisms against the Tories' newly unveiled election platform.
The recently announced PC plan reveals their platform six months ahead of the campaign and has also provided previews of what's sure to be a consistent Liberal line of attack until the June vote.
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The Tory platform says $12 billion in savings could be found over three years -- $6 billion from cancelling Ontario's cap-and-trade program and another $6 billion they say could be found from a value-for-money audit.
Liberal attacks have so far focused on those savings, particularly the audit, rather than specific policy planks such as tax cuts for the middle class, a refund for childcare expenses and a further 12 per cent cut to hydro bills.
"In my experience ... efficiencies has always been code for cuts with Conservatives," Wynne told The Canadian Press from China, where she is on a trade mission. "That is glaring as far as I'm concerned, so all the other things they talk about, they're interesting, but we really have no idea what would actually be done."
Deputy premier and Liberal campaign cochair Deb Matthews suggested the Tory cuts will come from health care and education, because they form the largest parts of Ontario's budget.
"My mother always used to say, 'If it sounds too good to be true it probably is too good to be true,"' she said. "I think that's what we're dealing with here."
The Liberals have long been attacking Progressive Conservative Leader Patrick Brown for not having a plan and suggesting he is harbouring a secret agenda. Now that his platform is out, Brown said their criticism of it seems disjointed.
Ontario premier calls $12B in savings in PC platform 'ridiculous' | CTV News
TORONTO -- The Progressive Conservatives' suggestion that $12 billion could be cut from Ontario's budget is "ridiculous," Liberal Premier Kathleen Wynne says as her party crystallizes its criticisms against the Tories' newly unveiled election platform.
The recently announced PC plan reveals their platform six months ahead of the campaign and has also provided previews of what's sure to be a consistent Liberal line of attack until the June vote.
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The Tory platform says $12 billion in savings could be found over three years -- $6 billion from cancelling Ontario's cap-and-trade program and another $6 billion they say could be found from a value-for-money audit.
Liberal attacks have so far focused on those savings, particularly the audit, rather than specific policy planks such as tax cuts for the middle class, a refund for childcare expenses and a further 12 per cent cut to hydro bills.
"In my experience ... efficiencies has always been code for cuts with Conservatives," Wynne told The Canadian Press from China, where she is on a trade mission. "That is glaring as far as I'm concerned, so all the other things they talk about, they're interesting, but we really have no idea what would actually be done."
Deputy premier and Liberal campaign cochair Deb Matthews suggested the Tory cuts will come from health care and education, because they form the largest parts of Ontario's budget.
"My mother always used to say, 'If it sounds too good to be true it probably is too good to be true,"' she said. "I think that's what we're dealing with here."
The Liberals have long been attacking Progressive Conservative Leader Patrick Brown for not having a plan and suggesting he is harbouring a secret agenda. Now that his platform is out, Brown said their criticism of it seems disjointed.
Ontario premier calls $12B in savings in PC platform 'ridiculous' | CTV News
If Patrick Brown was at least a monkey then yes the conservatives would have this next election locked down.
Looks like this gimmick isn't going to work.
Andrew Coyne: With their vapid new platform, it’s 'Back to Mush' for Ontario PCs
Over four provincial elections and three leaders, the Ontario Progressive Conservatives have vacillated between mush (Ernie Eves), mush with indigestible lumps (John Tory), hard-faced mush (Tim Hudak) and in the last attempt, something approaching conservatism, only without the math: narrowly leading at mid-campaign, Hudak threw it away with a mix of implausible happy-talk (the “million jobs” platform promise) and polarizing shock-talk (removing 100,000 employees from the public sector payroll). They lost again, as they had lost the previous three times.
True to form, rather than refine its message while remaining faithful to its core convictions, the party has remade itself yet again. With the next election just seven months away, and the party holding onto a reduced but still comfortable lead in the polls, it is Back to Mush. In fairness, a belief in mush — mush for mush’s sake — may perhaps be the party’s most sincere conviction: certainly it can’t claim any greater record of electoral success with it than with the alternative. Perhaps it is simply a calculation that mush is what people want now: Mush in Our Time.
At any rate, the result is a 79-page platform, or “People’s Guarantee,” of such iridescent vapidity it might have better been titled Nothing To See Here. The tag line, repeated on every page of the document, is Change That Works, I can only assume in an attempt at irony — because if there is one idea that is most powerfully communicated throughout it is that the Tories, under their impenetrably vacant leader Patrick Brown, would change next to nothing about how the province is governed.
Andrew Coyne: With their vapid new platform, it
Andrew Coyne: With their vapid new platform, it’s 'Back to Mush' for Ontario PCs
Over four provincial elections and three leaders, the Ontario Progressive Conservatives have vacillated between mush (Ernie Eves), mush with indigestible lumps (John Tory), hard-faced mush (Tim Hudak) and in the last attempt, something approaching conservatism, only without the math: narrowly leading at mid-campaign, Hudak threw it away with a mix of implausible happy-talk (the “million jobs” platform promise) and polarizing shock-talk (removing 100,000 employees from the public sector payroll). They lost again, as they had lost the previous three times.
True to form, rather than refine its message while remaining faithful to its core convictions, the party has remade itself yet again. With the next election just seven months away, and the party holding onto a reduced but still comfortable lead in the polls, it is Back to Mush. In fairness, a belief in mush — mush for mush’s sake — may perhaps be the party’s most sincere conviction: certainly it can’t claim any greater record of electoral success with it than with the alternative. Perhaps it is simply a calculation that mush is what people want now: Mush in Our Time.
At any rate, the result is a 79-page platform, or “People’s Guarantee,” of such iridescent vapidity it might have better been titled Nothing To See Here. The tag line, repeated on every page of the document, is Change That Works, I can only assume in an attempt at irony — because if there is one idea that is most powerfully communicated throughout it is that the Tories, under their impenetrably vacant leader Patrick Brown, would change next to nothing about how the province is governed.
Andrew Coyne: With their vapid new platform, it
So I guess Conservatives are now Communist (according to this forum)
To cover day care costs, Patrick Brown's PCs offer up to $6,750 per child - Toronto - CBC News
To cover day care costs, Patrick Brown's PCs offer up to $6,750 per child - Toronto - CBC News
THe one where everyone but government employees starve? NO thanks, that's what happened the last time we had dippers in BC and now the stupids have voted them in to do it again.
This is what happens when more people are on the taxpayer gravy train than work for a living.
:toothy10:
Financial Post: Patrick Brown’s hydro policy amazingly manages to actually make Kathleen Wynne look good
Ontario Progressive Conservative leader Patrick Brown’s election platform presents his “guarantee” that his party “will fix Hydro.” His plan’s core is to reverse the PCs’ longstanding rejection of Premier Kathleen Wynne’s “Fair Hydro Plan,” which shifts 25 per cent of current household rates to taxpayers and future consumers.
Wynne’s electricity-rate deferral and cost-shifting program had been roundly criticized by both the legislature’s auditor general and financial-accountability officer. The PCs had hammered the government with this analysis. Just weeks ago, the PC’s energy critic, Todd Smith, attacked the Fair Hydro Plan, saying “It is deceitful, it’s dishonest and it’s shady.”
Now, the new PC position is that the only problem with Wynne’s program is that it does not go far enough.
Brown’s Ontario PCs are promising they will “save” households 12 per cent on their rates over and above Wynne’s existing 25-per-cent cut. All the big-ticket items Brown calls cost “savings” are merely more cost shifting — removing costs from the ratepayer’s left pocket by taking from the taxpayer’s right pocket.
Patrick Brown
Financial Post: Patrick Brown’s hydro policy amazingly manages to actually make Kathleen Wynne look good
Ontario Progressive Conservative leader Patrick Brown’s election platform presents his “guarantee” that his party “will fix Hydro.” His plan’s core is to reverse the PCs’ longstanding rejection of Premier Kathleen Wynne’s “Fair Hydro Plan,” which shifts 25 per cent of current household rates to taxpayers and future consumers.
Wynne’s electricity-rate deferral and cost-shifting program had been roundly criticized by both the legislature’s auditor general and financial-accountability officer. The PCs had hammered the government with this analysis. Just weeks ago, the PC’s energy critic, Todd Smith, attacked the Fair Hydro Plan, saying “It is deceitful, it’s dishonest and it’s shady.”
Now, the new PC position is that the only problem with Wynne’s program is that it does not go far enough.
Brown’s Ontario PCs are promising they will “save” households 12 per cent on their rates over and above Wynne’s existing 25-per-cent cut. All the big-ticket items Brown calls cost “savings” are merely more cost shifting — removing costs from the ratepayer’s left pocket by taking from the taxpayer’s right pocket.
Patrick Brown
Ontario PC platform guarantees more big government
With last month's release of both the Ontario Progressive Conservative platform and the Ontario Liberal government's 2017 economic outlook and fiscal review, Ontarians now have a better sense of what lies ahead after next year's election – the continuance of big government.
Let's start with the most important measure to gauge the breadth and depth of government activity: government spending as a share of the economy.
Last year (2016-17), Ontario government spending as a share of gross domestic product stood at 17.8 per cent. If we add federal and local government spending, the total size of government in Ontario is currently about 38 per cent of GDP.
In his book, Measuring government in the 21st century, Lakehead University economist Livio Di Matteo examines a wide range of international data to measure how the size of government affects economic growth and social outcomes. Prof. Di Matteo finds that economic growth is maximized when total government spending is at approximately 26 per cent of GDP and for social outcomes, there's little additional benefit once government reaches roughly 30 per cent of GDP.
Unfortunately, the governing Liberals have ignored this evidence and increased the size of government over their tenure, from 15.1 per cent in 2002-03 to 17.8 per cent in 2016-17. This change works out to nearly $22-billion annually, which is extracted from Ontario families through higher taxes – more than $3,600 a family each year.
Given this track record, one might have expected to see a starkly different vision from the PCs. A vision for meaningful change in Ontario would recognize that it's in the best interests of Ontario's economic and social well-being to reduce the size of government.
But actually, the PC platform proposes a larger government than the Liberals. Indeed, the only real guarantee is that Ontario's era of big government will continue regardless of who is elected.
Specifically, the PCs plan to spend $155-billion in 2018-19 compared with the Liberals' proposed $153-billion. If the PCs form the next government, the size of government (spending as a share of the economy) will be 17.8 per cent in 2018-19 compared with 17.6 per cent being proposed by the Liberals.
To be fair, if the PCs win the next election with a majority and complete their four-year term, they plan to mildly shrink the size of government – from 17.8-per-cent spending in 2018-19 to 17.0 per cent in 2021-22.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/rep...arantees-more-big-government/article37227346/
With last month's release of both the Ontario Progressive Conservative platform and the Ontario Liberal government's 2017 economic outlook and fiscal review, Ontarians now have a better sense of what lies ahead after next year's election – the continuance of big government.
Let's start with the most important measure to gauge the breadth and depth of government activity: government spending as a share of the economy.
Last year (2016-17), Ontario government spending as a share of gross domestic product stood at 17.8 per cent. If we add federal and local government spending, the total size of government in Ontario is currently about 38 per cent of GDP.
In his book, Measuring government in the 21st century, Lakehead University economist Livio Di Matteo examines a wide range of international data to measure how the size of government affects economic growth and social outcomes. Prof. Di Matteo finds that economic growth is maximized when total government spending is at approximately 26 per cent of GDP and for social outcomes, there's little additional benefit once government reaches roughly 30 per cent of GDP.
Unfortunately, the governing Liberals have ignored this evidence and increased the size of government over their tenure, from 15.1 per cent in 2002-03 to 17.8 per cent in 2016-17. This change works out to nearly $22-billion annually, which is extracted from Ontario families through higher taxes – more than $3,600 a family each year.
Given this track record, one might have expected to see a starkly different vision from the PCs. A vision for meaningful change in Ontario would recognize that it's in the best interests of Ontario's economic and social well-being to reduce the size of government.
But actually, the PC platform proposes a larger government than the Liberals. Indeed, the only real guarantee is that Ontario's era of big government will continue regardless of who is elected.
Specifically, the PCs plan to spend $155-billion in 2018-19 compared with the Liberals' proposed $153-billion. If the PCs form the next government, the size of government (spending as a share of the economy) will be 17.8 per cent in 2018-19 compared with 17.6 per cent being proposed by the Liberals.
To be fair, if the PCs win the next election with a majority and complete their four-year term, they plan to mildly shrink the size of government – from 17.8-per-cent spending in 2018-19 to 17.0 per cent in 2021-22.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/rep...arantees-more-big-government/article37227346/