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Twin_Moose

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yes it is credible. russian speakers in crimea and eastern ukraine have no interest in being part of ukraine.
Really? You got proof? How about today? The biggest dispute was over language Ukraine declared that Ukrainian would be the official language after the 2014 election, through Russian misinformation spreading that the Russian language would be banned and Russians asked to leave. All regions overwhelmingly voted to stay apart of Ukraine with the Eastern regions having 13-20% voting to join Russia

Ukrainian Independence Referendum

UKRAINE. INDEPENDENCE REFERENDUM. 1 DECEMBER 1991​


Region​
Voted, %​
Answered “Yes”, %​
Crimea​
67.5​
54.19​
Vinnytsia​
91.41​
95.43​
Volyn​
93.2​
96.32​
Dnipropetrovsk​
81.8​
90.36​
Donetsk​
76.73​
83.9​
Zhytomyr​
90.53​
95.06​
Zakarpattia​
82.91​
92.59​
Zaporizhia​
80.59​
90.66​
Ivano-Frankivsk​
95.73​
98.42​
Kiev Region​
88.02​
95.52​
Kirovohrad​
88.07​
93.88​
Luhansk​
80.65​
83.86​
Lviv​
95.24​
97.46​
Mykolaiv​
84.1​
89.45​
Odessa​
75.01​
85.38​
Poltava​
91.87​
94.93​
Rivne​
92.99​
95.96​
Sumy​
88.41​
92.61​
Ternopil​
97.1​
98.67​
Kharkiv​
75.68​
86.33​
Kherson​
83.4​
90.1​
Khmelnytskyi​
93.4​
96.3​
Cherkasy​
90.17​
96.03​
Chernivtsi​
87.68​
92.78​
Chernihiv​
90.78​
93.74​
Kiev​
80.35​
92.88​
Sevastopol​
63.74​
57.07​
Total​
84.18​
90.32​


Ukraine's turbulent history since independence in 1991

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Some 62% of Ukrainians support Ukraine's accession to the European Union, whereas 58% want their country to join NATO, according to a survey conducted by the Rating Sociological Group between November 4-9, 2021.
The poll revealed that if a respective referendum were held today, 62% of respondents would support Ukraine's accession to the EU, and 32% would oppose it.
At the same time, 58% of respondents would be in favor of Ukraine's joining NATO, and 35% would oppose it.
According to the poll, residents of the country's western and central regions are the most loyal to European integration, unlike residents of the eastern regions, where less than half support Ukraine's accession to the EU and NATO.
At the same time, those most skeptical about Ukraine's joining the EU and NATO are the voters of the Opposition Platform – For Life party and the parties of Andriy Shariy and Yevhen Muraiev.
The survey was conducted among residents of Ukraine aged 18 and older in all regions, except for the temporarily occupied territories of Crimea and Donetsk and Luhansk regions. A total of 5,000 respondents were interviewed.



Crimea annexation

Things moved quickly. By early March, Russian troops had secured the entire peninsula. On March 6, the Crimean Supreme Council voted to ask to accede to Russia. The council scheduled a referendum for March 16, which offered two choices: join Russia or return to Crimea’s 1992 constitution, which gave the peninsula significant autonomy. Those who favored Crimea remaining part of Ukraine under the current constitution had no box to check.

The conduct of the referendum proved chaotic and took place absent any credible international observers. Local authorities reported a turnout of 83 percent, with 96.7 percent voting to join Russia. The numbers seemed implausible, given that ethnic Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars accounted for almost 40 percent of the peninsula’s population. (Two months later, a leaked report from the Russian president’s Human Rights Council put turnout at only 30 percent, with about half of those voting to join Russia.)

On March 18, Crimean and Russian officials signed the Treaty of Accession of the Republic of Crimea to Russia. Putin ratified the treaty three days later.
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Crimea has undergone significant changes over the past six years. A large number of ethnic Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars — some put the total at 140,000 — have left the peninsula since 2014. Crimean Tatars complain of intimidation and oppression as one reason for moving. During the same period, some 250,000 people have moved from Russia to Crimea (Crimean Tatar leaders claim the influx is much larger). The inflow has included troops and sailors, as the Kremlin has bolstered the Russian military presence on the peninsula, deploying new submarines, surface combatants and combat aircraft among other things.

The economic picture is mixed. Trying to create a success story, Moscow has poured in more than $10 billion in direct subsidies as well as funding major construction and infrastructure projects, such as the highway and railroad bridges that now cross the Kerch Strait to link Crimea directly to Russia. On the other hand, small business has suffered, particularly with the decline in tourism, which once accounted for about one quarter of Crimea’s economy. Crimea also remains subject to a variety of Western economic and other sanctions. It is probably fair to say that the reality of the economic situation today falls short of what many in Crimea expected, or hoped for, with Russia’s annexation....Read the article
 

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Well she has a point.. you want this bloodshed to end, the killing of innocent citizens.. No they don't they want to blame Putin for the energy crisis and take the heat off of Biden. They don't care about people dieing, they will send arms (not troops) to keep this war going.

If Ukriane were to reconize Crimea, the Donbass regions where ethnic fighting had been going on for 8 years, and open The North Crimea Canal to let water get through to Crimea.. and promise not to join NATO.. the bloodshed stops. Today. Lives saved. War done.
 

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Well she has a point.. you want this bloodshed to end, the killing of innocent citizens.. No they don't they want to blame Putin for the energy crisis and take the heat off of Biden. They don't care about people dieing, they will send arms (not troops) to keep this war going.

If Ukriane were to reconize Crimea, the Donbass regions where ethnic fighting had been going on for 8 years, and open The North Crimea Canal to let water get through to Crimea.. and promise not to join NATO.. the bloodshed stops. Today. Lives saved. War done.

So in other words, do EVERYTHING Russia says and everything will be fine!

Fuck, you're stupid and totally ignorant of history.
 
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Well she has a point.. you want this bloodshed to end, the killing of innocent citizens.. No they don't they want to blame Putin for the energy crisis and take the heat off of Biden. They don't care about people dieing, they will send arms (not troops) to keep this war going.

If Ukriane were to reconize Crimea, the Donbass regions where ethnic fighting had been going on for 8 years, and open The North Crimea Canal to let water get through to Crimea.. and promise not to join NATO.. the bloodshed stops. Today. Lives saved. War done.
So make Eastern and Western Ukraine like Germany after WWII? Maybe Canada should cede Southern Sask, Man, up to Lethbridge to the USA because it belongs in the Louisiana purchase from France?

Crimea maybe, but it should be up to the citizens of the republic of Crimea in a fair referendum
 
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