Obama's SOTU Address Sophistry

[TeddyBallgame]

Actually, Teddy is correct. These are stats that the government provided even prior to the election, but I guess nobody cared!

- Thanks, DC. As you have noted, both the Bureau of Statistics and the CBO (congressional budget office) compile and release these kinds of stats on a regular basis and they are avaiable to every serious person who really wants to understand what the trends and developments are in his or her country and economy and national fiscal situation. Regrettably, the posters here on the left side of the political divide are uninterested in any facts and stats that might conflict with their agenda.

- As to Gherry's ridiculous comment about the 47% of Americans paying no income tax being all hold overs from the GOP days, the fact is that the number and the percentage of Americans paying no income taxes and receiving one or more government handouts and entitlements ranging from food stamps to medicare coverage is higher abnd has grown faster under Obama during his four years than it did under any other president in the past 75 years.

 

[Niflmir]

The insinuation that Red States get the most means that the GOP states have their hands out looking for a free ride. Just as you pointed out with military bases. The larger ones are down south. Lejuene, Bragg, etc. So they factor stuff like that in and say that GOP states receive more. A military base can run a tab up real quick.

Do you just make this up as you go along?

List of United States Army installations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In any case, the link I posted ordered the funding. The majority was usually not coming from military funding. Either way, they still are depending on handouts from other states.

What are you going to say next, that the handouts are necessary to defend against Iraqi weapons of mass destruction?

 

[gerryh]

- As to Gherry's ridiculous comment about the 47% of Americans paying no income tax being all hold overs from the GOP days, the fact is that the number and the percentage of Americans paying no income taxes and receiving one or more government handouts and entitlements ranging from food stamps to medicare coverage is higher abnd has grown faster under Obama during his four years than it did under any other president in the past 75 years.

teddy boy, it was you that made the comment that obama got elected because of these 47%'ers. Obviously they are hold overs from the GOP. Obama wasn't in power to help them "suck off the ***" until they elected him. So, who was helping them before obama came along?

Dems or republicans, different sides of the same coin, and only the weak minded would think otherwise.

 

[EagleSmack]

don't be too sure about that. How many of the GOP base have businesses that depend on fat government contracts for their existence? It all depends on your definition of government handouts.

And businesses vote?

Regardless... please don't try and say that only the GOP benefits from govt. contracts. One need only look at the wasteful spending into solar to see through that. Billions squandered... lost forever.

Do you just make this up as you go along?

List of United States Army installations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In any case, the link I posted ordered the funding. The majority was usually not coming from military funding. Either way, they still are depending on handouts from other states.

What are you going to say next, that the handouts are necessary to defend against Iraqi weapons of mass destruction?

The military is part of that myth that GOP states receive more funding. The twisting of who in America really has their hands out. Meaning American citizens that depend of the government for their existence while not working... The Democrat base.

 

[TeddyBallgame]

teddy boy, it was you that made the comment that obama got elected because of these 47%'ers. Obviously they are hold overs from the GOP. Obama wasn't in power to help them "suck off the ***" until they elected him. So, who was helping them before obama came along?

Dems or republicans, different sides of the same coin, and only the weak minded would think otherwise.

- For you to call anybody, anybody at all, weak minded is like Paris Hilton calling somebody else ****ty or Mike Tyson calling somebody else low class or Bernie Madoff calling somebody else crooked.

- FYI, moron, the 47% figure was based on tax returns for the 2011 tax year as filed in April of 2012 which means that Obama had ALREADY been in power screwing up the economy and the debt in his amateurish way for over three years. Prior to Obama, the figure was significantly lower than 47% although I can't remember the exact figure for 2008 right now and I can't be bothered to look it up for the benefit of a moron who doesn't have any interest in facts and stats and context, only in his left wing liberal agenda.

- Gotta go now, you see I have a life.

 

[EagleSmack]

Do you just make this up as you go along?

List of United States Army installations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What did I say that was not true? The larger bases are down south. Putting Fort Bragg, North Carolina (39,000+ active duty soldiers) on the same level as Ft. Devens, Massachusetts (306 active duty soldiers) is foolish. One would think Fort Bragg would receive more money wouldn't they? That is included in the "GOP Gets More Federal Money" talking point that Dems try to use to protect their base.

 

[taxslave]

And businesses vote?

Regardless... please don't try and say that only the GOP benefits from govt. contracts. One need only look at the wasteful spending into solar to see through that. Billions squandered... lost forever.



The military is part of that myth that GOP states receive more funding. The twisting of who in America really has their hands out. Meaning American citizens that depend of the government for their existence while not working... The Democrat base.

Business owners vote. How many solar companies are/were owned by GOP supporters?

 

[Niflmir]

What did I say that was not true? The larger bases are down south. Putting Fort Bragg, North Carolina (39,000+ active duty soldiers) on the same level as Ft. Devens, Massachusetts (306 active duty soldiers) is foolish. One would think Fort Bragg would receive more money wouldn't they? That is included in the "GOP Gets More Federal Money" talking point that Dems try to use to protect their base.

Except that we aren't talking about north vs south! We are talking about democratic state vs republican state. What do you see? California is no. 1 for military bases. After the top 3 you see an even distribution.

You're just babbling now. You've got no evidence to back up your claims and are just reverting to flat assertions to avoid taking off your partisan blinders.

 

[gopher]

Drivel. The Stimulus at 700 billion plus, now part of the baseline, has contributed most to the huge increase in the deficit. The stimulus is totallly on the Bamster.

Unlike Bush's worthless stimulus packages which helped cause the recession, Obama's stimulus worked which preserved jobs and recharged the economy.

And the banking deregulations of the 90's had nothing to do with it.....

Well if Repubicans Gramm-Leach-Bliley hadn't insisted maybe he wouldn't have signed the banking deregulation law.

 

[L Gilbert]

Comical thread.
The thing about the national debt and deficits from my POV is that the administration, regardless of whomever is in the Whitehouse, caters to big business and the rich. It's a direct result of the Golden Rule; who has the gold, makes the rules. Politicians of any color are simply the puppets. It ain't ALL Junior's fault and it ain't ALL DUHbama's fault. The bulk of the fault lies with the economic engineers.
Get over it.

 

[gopher]

And it ain't Gopher's fault.

 

[Walter]

Obama's stimulus worked which preserved jobs and recharged the economy.

Why, if the Bamster has preserved jobs and recharched the economy, are there fewer people working now as a percent of the work force than since stats started being kept? Why are 11,000 more people each day collect food stamps?

 

[gopher]

Why, if the Bamster has preserved jobs and recharched the economy, are there fewer people working now as a percent of the work force than since stats started being kept? Why are 11,000 more people each day collect food stamps?

See my previous answer re the failed ''trickle down'' theory which, as David Stockman admitted, is only welfare for the rich.

 

[taxslave]

See my previous answer re the failed ''trickle down'' theory which, as David Stockman admitted, is only welfare for the rich.

What the rich collect is not welfare. It is stimulus. It stimulates them to move their factories to china so their former employees can afford to buy junk with their welfare cheques.

 

[captain morgan]

What the rich collect is not welfare. It is stimulus. It stimulates them to move their factories to china so their former employees can afford to buy junk with their welfare cheques.

Take a look at the underlying reason(s) why the factories move away from NorAm locations, it'll tell you a lot about what motivates business and conveniently blows the hell outta gophers' nonsupport for trickle down... Hell, the communities that received the new mfg demand from the CDN/US based entities are entirely supportive of trickle down theory - it's worked magic for them to date

 

[taxslave]

Take a look at the underlying reason(s) why the factories move away from NorAm locations, it'll tell you a lot about what motivates business and conveniently blows the hell outta gophers' nonsupport for trickle down... Hell, the communities that received the new mfg demand from the CDN/US based entities are entirely supportive of trickle down theory - it's worked magic for them to date

There are many reasons why manufacturing is leaving N America. Excessive taxes, unbelievable union demands and unattainable environmental rules being the top three. Time those three are dealt with there is nothing left to trickle down.
There is a line from a movie from several years ago, I forget the title but it is about an underdog running for Prez. Out stumping in the rust belt he says"Muscle jobs go where muscle is cheap" which is at least partly true.

 

[Walter]

See my previous answer re the failed ''trickle down'' theory which, as David Stockman admitted, is only welfare for the rich.

How long does the Bamster have to be in office before you will accept that the performance of the economy is hs responsibility?

 

[taxslave]

How long does the Bamster have to be in office before you will accept that the performance of the economy is hs responsibility?

How long you going to believe that the state of the world economy is solely in the hands of one man?

 

[Walter]

How long you going to believe that the state of the world economy is solely in the hands of one man?

He's called the most powerful man in the world for a reason.

 

[gopher]

How long does the Bamster have to be in office before you will accept that the performance of the economy is hs responsibility?

When Bush created the recession the forum right wingers all said the president has nothing to do with any economic down turn. When those of you from that political extreme apply the same standard to all presidents, then I'll gladly consider doing the same.