Obama urges future Palestinian state be based on '67 borders
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I think these problems are more a function of attitudes like these:
You understand that we plan to eliminate the State of Israel and establish a purely Palestinian State....I have no use for Jews; they are and remain Jews." – Yasser Arafat, January 30, 1996
Orwellian Culture: Why There Will Never Be Peace in the Middle East
Then why the need for such intensive lobbying? Syria doesn't collectively lobby Washington or Ottawa and they are in more danger of being overrun than Israel is. That doesn't sound like a very secure Nation at all. I seem to recall Swiss Banks returning goods that were stolen during a time of war.
As always the big boy on the block is the one with the money. OPEC would support Palestine if the US was not still dealing behind the scenes. A Nation doesn't have to be beaten at a military war, economic is also a viable weapon. Israel uses it against Gaza and the West Bank constantly. If US aid stopped flowing into the area Egypt and Palistan and many others could still get 'loans' from OPEC Nations that might increase the interest if Israel also has her hand out. The $3B in free arms yearly is also part of that 'big boy' image.
You are right though, that is why Gaza and the West Bank have nothing to lose by going back to the promise by Britain to give them independence, that should have been achieved by 1930. Realistically any treaty Israel signed would be as binding as any Indian Treaty made, basically zero, it would be broken anytime Israel felt like it. (or so it seems when looking back at the ones she has signed at the UN)
That's what happens when you put a mic in front of somebody who is used to digging tunnels, a few years with a PR coach wouldn't have hurt his speech writing abilities.. Some quotes made from the other side are just as damning.
What peace treaty did Israel sign except with Egypt and Jordan. They signed nothing with anyone else that I am aware of, not even at partition.
Noting furthermore the declaration by the State of Israel that it "unreservedly accepts the obligations of the United Nations Charter and undertakes to honour them from the day when it becomes a member of the United Nations,"
Recalling its resolutions of 29 November 1947 and 11 December 1948 and taking note of the declarations and explanations made by the representative of the Government of Israel before the Ad Hoc Political Committee in respect of the implementation of the said resolutions,
United Nations Security Council Resolution 273 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In the 6 months after that declaration they made some 600,000 of their own citizens (Arabs) refugees, a war crime, great start, back to square one.
Recalling its resolutions of 29 November 1947 and 11 December 1948 and taking note of the declarations and explanations made by the representative of the Government of Israel before the Ad Hoc Political Committee in respect of the implementation of the said resolutions,
United Nations Security Council Resolution 273 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In the 6 months after that declaration they made some 600,000 of their own citizens (Arabs) refugees, a war crime, great start, back to square one.
Yep, and it is all we've heard about for 50-odd fricking years..........despite the fact the Arab population fled a war started by the Arab states invading Israel, and despite the fact over 700,000 Jews were booted out of Muslim countries.
I believe the Arab nations that attacked Israel were in violation of the UN Charter as well........but somehow that doesn't seem to count........
Oh f*ck the UN!!! They are about as useful in diplomacy and creating peace as you are. In fact I would choose you over them, what does that tell you?
From your quote:
A transitional period under United Nations auspices was to begin with the adoption of the resolution, and lasting until the establishment of the two states. However, war broke out and the partition plan was never implemented by the Security Council. On March 5, 1948, the United Nations Security Council reached an impasse when it refused to pass a resolution which would have accepted the partition plan as a basis for Security Council action. The United States subsequently recommended a temporary UN trusteeship for Palestine "without prejudice to the character of the eventual political settlement", and the Security Council voted to send the matter back to the General Assembly for further deliberation. The General Assembly decided to appoint a Mediator, and relieved the Palestine Commission from any further exercise of responsibility under resolution 181 (II) of 29 November 1947.
The proposed plan was accepted by the leaders of the Jewish community in Palestine, through the Jewish Agency.[2][3] However, the plan was rejected by leaders of the Arab community (the Palestine Arab Higher Committee etc.),[2][4] who were supported in their rejection by the states of the Arab League. In a communication to the United Nations Palestine Commission dated 19 January 1948, the Arab Higher Committee for Palestine stated that it was "determined [to] persist in rejection [to the] partition and in refusal [to] recognize UNO resolution [with] this respect and anything deriving therefrom".[5] Two minor exceptions to this rejectionist line were the National Liberation League in Palestine, an Arab-Palestinian Communist faction which supported the Partition Plan (since it followed all Soviet policies), and Emir Abdullah of Transjordan, who in strictly private discussions was in favor of the partition plan — under the assumption that the Arab state under the plan would be annexed to Transjordan — yet never publicly accepted the plan (he later suggested that Transjordan should annex the whole mandate territory and establish a Jewish autonomous entity, to be eventually aligned with the rest of the Arab countries).[6]
Nobody accepted anything.
Just like the KKK and the Nazis, Bear objects to integration and democratic government. Typical hate filled stupidity but at least he has always been consistent in his bigotry.
Read Herbert Aptheker's book on blacks in the Civil War. You might learn something.
''What were you saying yesterday about false accusations and incriminations?
Hypocrite.''
Look at your own before pointing the finger hypocrite.
You keep saying that, as you have been for what? 5 years? And every time I challenge you to prove it, you fail.
Today will be no different.
You're still the same vacuous rodent, while my opinions on Islam, Christianity, rights and freedoms have long since changed.
''They want to "kill/murder/maime ALL Jews. They state it over and over and over again.''
There is no doubt that some Muslims say it just as some Jews say that about Muslims. This was the same situation in the south before integration and before voting rights were extended there. Do the majority say that today in the south or in the middle East East? I don't think so. If you have proof to the contrary, let's see you post it here.
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Five years???
That's why you got banned and I wasn't. HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
There is no doubt that some Muslims say it just as some Jews say that about Muslims. This was the same situation in the south before integration and before voting rights were extended there. Do the majority say that today in the south or in the middle East East? I don't think so. If you have proof to the contrary, let's see you post it here.
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Five years???
That's why you got banned and I wasn't. HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
Wow, for a guess, I was off by only a few months, lol...Five years???
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I was banned once for challenging the Mods. You don't have the guts.
I was banned another time for my avatar and profile pic. You aren't that creative.
Was there a point to your comment?
I did notice you didn't bother to get at backing up your false accusations and incriminations.
Like I said, today will be no different.
Still waiting for your proof that democratization through a one state solution and integration is going to bring about genocide.
I'll wait ...
I'll wait ...
Hamas, was the 'duly' elected gov't in a democratic Gaza. They have a written policy of Jewish genocide in the charter. There are laws against Jews owning property, and so on.
These are facts.
If you think a majority, made up of people that voted for that kind of hate, is going to create a 'democracy' in which everyone is free, you have serious mental issues.
I see you ignored the facts again, at least you're consistent at being vacuous. I'd say I'll be waiting for you to back up your silly accusations and incriminations as well Mr. Deflection. But since you haven't in 5 years, I doubt you will anytime soon. Like I said, today will be no different.
Perhaps Canada ought to have as much of a policy towards the Israeli-Palestinian conflict as Israel ought to have in Canada-US relations and our Treaty issues.
Sounds fair enough to me.
Sounds fair enough to me.
0bama said: "I side with the people hate America, who want America destroyed, who cheered and danced when the twin towers fell on September 11th, 2001."
He didn't??
When he declared that Israel should commit suicide and return to the pre-1967 borders, he might as well have.
For an inexperienced half-breed greenhorn who can't even keep the borders of his own country secure, that was quite a statement.
He didn't??
When he declared that Israel should commit suicide and return to the pre-1967 borders, he might as well have.
For an inexperienced half-breed greenhorn who can't even keep the borders of his own country secure, that was quite a statement.