Obama Makes Economic and Fiscal History!

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- Barack Obama has become an historic figure by being the only president in history to rack up trillion dollar plus annual deficits while achieving by far the worst post-recession economic and employment growth of all nine post WWII recession recoveries.

- He has also made history by being the farthest off the mark in terms of his own promises while running for the presidency. Obama promised to cut the deficit in half in four years but he actually has doubled it, he promised to get unemployment down to 5.2% by 2012 but it is still at 7.9% and would actually be close to 11% if so many Americans had not simply given up looking for work and, he made several other economic and fiscal promises (see some of them below) that are incredibly far off the mark

- This morning one of our resident left wing loonies proudly posted in several threads here that "the CBC told him" Obama had created huge numbers of jobs (he actually has presided over a net loss of five million jobs) and the US economy is booming again (it actually is extremely weak and headed for another recession at the end of the year if Obama remains in office).

- In case some of you are moronic or naive or hopelessly partisan enough to put any credence whatsoever in this idiot's multiple posting on the great BO economic recovery, here are the facts from Human Events.

- WARNING FOR ALL LEFTIES ... Be advised that there are some fairly big words here and that you need an attention span of more than 30 seconds and an IQ in the high double digits to finish and to understand this article and that the facts and truths herein expressed are terribly inconvenient for lefties in the tank for BO so that you may wish to remain ignorant by not reading this important, up to date and authoritative article.


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Malaise update: unemployment up to 7.9 percent, income down, long-term picture gets worse



By: John Hayward
11/2/2012 10:20 AM


Somehow that dastardly George Bush was able to race around the country in October and make unemployment worse – just when Obamanomics was starting to kick in, and those trillions wasted on non-existent “shovel ready jobs” were starting to pay off. (Remember when Obama laughed after he found out there was no such thing as a shovel-ready job? That was a real knee-slapper, wasn’t it?)
The heavily adjusted “official” U-3 unemployment rate ticked back up to 7.9 percent in October, with a modest 171,000 jobs created. This is just about enough to keep up with population growth, but not enough to keep up with both population and job losses. Expectations from ****ysts were actually even lower, so from that standpoint, the October BLS report isn’t as bad as it could have been. Unemployment among black Americans notably rose to 14.3 percent.
If Obama had managed to retain the workforce he inherited from George Bush, the official U-3 unemployment rate would be 10.6 percent for October, so real unemployment remains right where it has been throughout this disastrous presidency: stuck in double digits. Only the complete departure of millions of Americans from the workforce allows Obama to callously pretend he has high single-digit unemployment. He promised 5.2 percent unemployment by 2012 if he got his trillion-dollar “stimulus” bill, and openly advised Americans to vote him out of office if he failed to deliver on this promise. Remarkably, Obama manages to criticize other people’s numbers for “not adding up” without getting laughed out of the room.
This dismal report gets worse and worse when you look behind the topline numbers. Because of all those long-term unemployed people the U-3 measurement doesn’t count, the average duration of unemployment rose considerably through October. Fully 40.6 percent are now unemployed for 27 weeks or longer.
And the Obamanomic transformation of America to a part-time workforce continues at a terrifying pace. Noel Sheppart at NewsBusters points out the statistics a media that used to obsess over “burger flipper jobs” in the Bush years no longer wish to discuss: average hourly wages declined another 1 cent in October, producing a 4.9 percent decrease in median family income since Obama took office. The average work week also declined another 0.1 hours in October, bringing it down to 33.6 hours. And most of the jobs gained in October came from the “service sector” – i.e. restaurant and retail jobs.
This is all a reflection of the transition to part-time labor, which many employers are now openly describing as a move to escape ObamaCare. Barack Obama’s great “achievement” as President is to create an economy where you’re lucky to find a part-time job with no insurance benefits. Those who manage to retain full-time employment are facing absolutely skyrocketing insurance costs as a result of the President’s effort to “bend the cost curve down.” Meanwhile, median family income declines, and the cost of vital goods increases due to Obama’s energy policies. The middle class is under relentless attack by this President. There is virtually no aspect of middle class existence he hasn’t made worse.
Mitt Romney said of today’s job report, “Today’s increase in the unemployment rate is a sad reminder that the economy is at a virtual standstill. The jobless rate is higher than it was when President Obama took office, and there are still 23 million Americans struggling for work. On Tuesday, America will make a choice between stagnation and prosperity. For four years, President Obama’s policies have crushed America’s middle class. For four years, President Obama has told us that things are getting better and that we’re making progress. For too many American families, those words ring hollow. We can do better. We can have real economic growth, create millions of good-paying jobs, and give middle-class families the security and opportunity they deserve. When I’m president, I’m going to make real changes that lead to a real recovery, so that the next four years are better than the last.”
I would beg to differ with Romney in one key regard: we’re not going to be at a “standstill” for long, if Obama gets re-elected. The gigantic “Taxmageddon” tax increases produced by Democrat intransigence, and their inability to even produce a budget for the monstrous federal government, will blow unemployment sky high… and Obama wants to raise taxes on job creators even more. Projections for fourth-quarter growth are even worse than the meager 2 percent from the third quarter. Increased debt service costs following the further credit downgrades Obama’s wild spending is guaranteed to bring will drain money from the Treasury, resulting in federal chaos plus increased pressure for even higher tax increases. The Obama Administration has actually been violating federal law to hide its next wave of job-killing regulations and layoff notices from employers, precisely because it doesn’t want them to know just how bleak the picture will become next year, and fill the media with talk of how they plan to batten down the hatches.
This is no “recovery” – it’s delusional to the point of gibbering lunacy to describe it as such. The next recession is very probably around the corner, and Obama has left us in no shape to cope with it. A “standstill” is what Obamanomics manages when it gets lucky. The White House always uses boilerplate language to urge people not to “read too much into a single unemployment report.” Fair enough, but are we also supposed to avoid reading too much into a single Presidential term? Taken together, Obama’s unemployment reports depict a very conspicuous, and very dangerous, absence of post-recession recovery. Are Americans really ready to settle for a New Normal where any headline unemployment rate below 8 percent is good enough?
Incredibly, the Labor Secretary actually celebrated this dismal jobs report by handing out candy to reporters. No word on where she was able to find malaise-flavored candy. This afternoon, she should lead a parade of reporters to whistle past a local graveyard.
 

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- It is interesting that the lefty loons who dominate this forum are giving this thread of sober economic an#lysis in regard to Colossal-Failure-In-Chief Obama such a wide berth.

- Is this because they are economic illiterates fixated on superficial and secondary issues and unable to even understand let alone to discuss such matters or because they already concede that Obama is an economic disaster and incompetent but he is their economic disaster and incompetent?

- Its probably a dollop of both.
 

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Malaise update: unemployment up to 7.9 percent, income down, long-term picture gets worse


Yes Teddy, the three piece suits are typical of the middle class as they're lining up for the soup kitchens eh?
The photo is stock and old and is of no relevance to anything happening right now.
 

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What do you mean by POST recession Teddyballsack? You can't be that deluded to think the recession is over can you? Do you have any idea of economics and the global financial status at this time? Obviously you spend far to much time bending over for any right-wing extremist to notice and are far to cerebrally challenged to understand anyway.
 

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So much is left out of these silly posts, for example the real truth, in many cases.
Let us suppose Obama had not bailed out the car companies and other financial
institutions. The mess that would have resulted would be far reaching and a bad
scene even today. Obama made the mistake in that he did not insist there would
be no bonuses. Other than that he did the right thing.
We as a North American society are living with the wild west antics of Republican
party lack of regulation and leadership. In addition their buddies didn't give a hoot
about America, they care only about profit and bonus money without conscience.
All this created by Frankin Economists of the right wing, that allowed unfettered
free enterprise. The problem is no regulation is as bad as over regulation and this
is the mess left to Obama. No he is not perfect and there were mistakes made,
The alternative would have been a depression that would have taken a generation
or more to recover from. The right wing poison pen and rant machine is really over
the top. If they do win maybe they will touch off the depression that will bring us all
down. Will these same people protest that? Of course not they won't be able to
afford the power bills in a great depression.
aff
 

TeddyBallgame

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What do you mean by POST recession Teddyballsack? You can't be that deluded to think the recession is over can you? Do you have any idea of economics and the global financial status at this time? Obviously you spend far to much time bending over for any right-wing extremist to notice and are far to cerebrally challenged to understand anyway.

- PN ... Actually, idiot, a recession is a technical definition put together by economists which applies to an economy that is in the midst of two or more consecutive quarters of negative economic growth. Using the authoritative definition by the economists rather than whatever ridiculous definition an economic and fiscal ignormaus and A-Hole like yourself has concocted over a hearty breakfast of Jamaican weed this morning, the US recession has been over for three and a half years now.

- Since the US recession officially ended in the second quarter of 2009, there has been a lengthy recovery period as was also the case with eight other recessions that have occured in the post WWII period.

- It is a quantified and documented fact that three and a half years in Obama's recovery has been by far the weakest among the nine recoveries in this 67 year period in every meaningful economic indicator avaiable and you can find the actual figures in this regard in an earlier thread of mine if you can wade through the lengthy list of totally irrelevant, abusive, juvenile and obsene posts by the lunatic left wing fringe including you attacking me for daring to post the actual comparative facts, data and an#lysis in this regard.

- What makes the dreadful performance of Obama's recovery even more egregiously unacceptable is that he spent more borrowed money than all previsous presidents combined in his top down, big government approach to revitalizing the economy and got the worst results by far. In words that even you might be able to understand, BO "invested" much more but got a much smaller ROI ln his recovery effort, the kind of thing that would get him canned in a heartbeat in a real world organization where he was required to perform not just play at being a CEO.

- Obviously, loud mouthed moron, you spend too much of your time shoting from the lip in barrages of BS that accomplish nothing other than to make your utter ignorance of economics and politics clear to all of those who have IQs higher than the current US real unemployment rate rounded off to the nearest whole number (15).

- My advice is for you to try to figure out in what field or fields you possess even the most cursory knowledge and restrict your comments to those fields.

- This will take quite some time and in the interim you would be best advised to heed the old adage that it is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt!
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- Barack Obama has become an historic figure by being the only president in history to rack up trillion dollar plus annual deficits while achieving by far the worst post-recession economic and employment growth of all nine post WWII recession recoveries.



By: John Hayward
11/2/2012 10:20 AM


Somehow that dastardly George Bush was able to race around the country in October and make unemployment worse – just when Obamanomics was starting to kick in, and those trillions wasted on non-existent “shovel ready jobs” were starting to pay off. (Remember when Obama laughed after he found out there was no such thing as a shovel-ready job? That was a real knee-slapper, wasn’t it?)QUOTE]

Oh Cripes, another "Novel"!

So much is left out of these silly posts, for example the real truth, in many cases.
Let us suppose Obama had not bailed out the car companies and other financial
institutions. The mess that would have resulted would be far reaching and a bad
scene even today. Obama made the mistake in that he did not insist there would
be no bonuses. Other than that he did the right thing.

Well, one thing for sure, had Obama not bailed out the auto manufacturers, the unemployment stats (which Teddy and co. are expounding on) would look much different. I've said it before- YOU CAN'T AND BLOW AT THE SAME TIME! Actually they do both- just at different times. Hypocrites!
 

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- PN ... Actually, idiot, a recession is a technical definition put together by economists which applies to an economy that is in the midst of two or more consecutive quarters of negative economic growth. Using the authoritative definition by the economists rather than whatever ridiculous definition an economic and fiscal ignormaus and A-Hole like yourself has concocted over a hearty breakfast of Jamaican weed this morning, the US recession has been over for three and a half years now.
Actually Ballsack, I am well aware of the 'technical definition' of a recession that those who create them use. It really doesn't mean much in the overall picture especially when the economy is being propped up by trillions in bail-out & stimulus spending. Just because your stock-broker buddies can still give you $1000 for a blow-job (thanks to tax-payer funded bonuses & million dollar salaries, a great reward for f*cking the country) doesn't mean the rest of the country isn't in trouble. The biggest signifiers of the economic health of any nation are it's debt/deficit and unemployment rate. Unemployment is level at best if not still growing (you say 15% real unemployment, I'd say more like 18-20%), jobs that are being created are less than what is being lost and they aren't good manufacturing jobs with a solid livable wage and benefits, they are minimum wage at the drive-thru. I don't think we need to mention the debt/deficit issue.

- Since the US recession officially ended in the second quarter of 2009, there has been a lengthy recovery period as was also the case with eight other recessions that have occured in the post WWII period.
If you take away the bail-out & stimulus and of course the factor of growth in the military industrial complex from 2 wars the economy would most likely be in free-fall rivaling the depression. We also need to consider the global situation and how it affects the US & Canada and every other country involved in trade.
The ongoing unsurety in Europe and possible bankruptcies of Greece, Portugal, Italy and Spain that could bring the EU to it's knees if not full collapse is stopping almost any growth in the global economy except of course in the corrupt financial sector where all that stimulus is going and making your gay puppet-masters rich.

- It is a quantified and documented fact that three and a half years in Obama's recovery has been by far the weakest among the nine recoveries in this 67 year period in every meaningful economic indicator avaiable and you can find the actual figures in this regard in an earlier thread of mine if you can wade through the lengthy list of totally irrelevant, abusive, juvenile and obsene posts by the lunatic left wing fringe including you attacking me for daring to post the actual comparative facts, data and an#lysis in this regard.
He has also had to deal with the toughest global economy since WW1 and of course idiots like you believing that 0.02% growth for 2 quarters means a recession has ended. But do not let anything outside your little basement interfere with how you see it.

- What makes the dreadful performance of Obama's recovery even more egregiously unacceptable is that he spent more borrowed money than all previsous presidents combined in his top down, big government approach to revitalizing the economy and got the worst results by far. In words that even you might be able to understand, BO "invested" much more but got a much smaller ROI ln his recovery effort, the kind of thing that would get him canned in a heartbeat in a real world organization where he was required to perform not just play at being a CEO.
What make his performance terrible is the fact that all that borrowed money went to millionaires and billionaires who should have been on their way to jail. If he had spent over a trillion bucks building some factories and revitalizing the manufacturing sector providing thousands upon thousands of jobs to the average middle class families that needed the help far more than the financial f*ck-ups you wh*re to.

- Obviously, loud mouthed moron, you spend too much of your time shoting from the lip in barrages of BS that accomplish nothing other than to make your utter ignorance of economics and politics clear to all of those who have IQs higher than the current US real unemployment rate rounded off to the nearest whole number (15).
Hey Ballsack, Can you put Bachelor of Commerce after your name? I can! Majored in macro-economics and finance. Didn't like the work so found something else that was actually productive and didn't f*ck people over to make money.

- My advice is for you to try to figure out in what field or fields you possess even the most cursory knowledge and restrict your comments to those fields.
One of my better talents is trolling completely insane, partisan f*cking idiots like you ;-)
 

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1/ Actually Ballsack, I am well aware of the 'technical definition' of a recession that those who create them use.

2/ Hey Ballsack, Can you put Bachelor of Commerce after your name? I can! Majored in macro-economics and finance. Didn't like the work so found something else that was actually productive and didn't f*ck people over to make money.


3/ One of my better talents is trolling completely insane, partisan f*cking idiots like you ;-)

- PN ... 1/ Being the delusional and arguably insane megalomaniac that you are, I suppose it figures that you would ignore the definition that economists and Obama and Romney and everyone esle but you use in favour of your own. But for the rest of us, the US economy's latest recession ended in June of 2009 and the US economy has been in a slow, weak, uneven recovery phase since then, the weakest recovery by far of the nine post-WWII US recessions.

2/ No, A-Hat, I can't put B.Com beside my name but I can put a B.A. with major in political science and minor in economics and an M.A. in Canadian government and politics from two of Canada's most renowned universities and extensive experience as an executive and consultant and trainer in both the public and private sectors in Canada, the US and overseas and numerous radio, TV, newspaper and magainze appearances and citations beside my name. So what? Regardless of what you claim to be able to put beside your name, you remain an ignorant, arrogant, abusive and probably insane individual and anyone reading more than a handful of your posts would reach that same conclusion.

3/ Yes, you do have some small talent in trolling others on the internet, others who would never associate with you in real life nor allow you anywhere near them in physical and social proximity. It is quite sad really that your one talent is trolling and perhaps even sadder now that I am henceforth going to totally ignore you, you sick, sick f#ck.
 
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If they do win maybe they will touch off the depression that will bring us all
down. Will these same people protest that? Of course not they won't be able to
afford the power bills in a great depression.
aff

You do realize that if Romney wins anything bad that happens in his first 4 years is Obama's fault, right? Fair's fair.
 

Just the Facts

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26 threads on the US election in the first page of the "US-American Politics" forum.
Like I said, that's ****in stupid.

It's a popular topic. Personally I like when threads are broken up, makes them easier to follow. When they get merged it's too much to sift through, and trying to follow multiple "sub-threads" within a thread just isn't worth the effort.
 

TeddyBallgame

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So much is left out of these silly posts, for example the real truth, in many cases.
Let us suppose Obama had not bailed out the car companies and other financial
institutions. The mess that would have resulted would be far reaching and a bad
scene even today. Obama made the mistake in that he did not insist there would
be no bonuses. Other than that he did the right thing.
We as a North American society are living with the wild west antics of Republican
party lack of regulation and leadership. In addition their buddies didn't give a hoot
about America, they care only about profit and bonus money without conscience.
All this created by Frankin Economists of the right wing, that allowed unfettered
free enterprise. The problem is no regulation is as bad as over regulation and this
is the mess left to Obama. No he is not perfect and there were mistakes made,
The alternative would have been a depression that would have taken a generation
or more to recover from. The right wing poison pen and rant machine is really over
the top. If they do win maybe they will touch off the depression that will bring us all
down. Will these same people protest that? Of course not they won't be able to
afford the power bills in a great depression.
aff

- DG ... An interesting recitation of the Democrats' talking points on Obama the great economic leader and not made any less interesting by the simple fact that they are totally wrong.

- You start with the first of Obama's four economic arguments: "I stopped the Second Great Depression". The problem with this codswallop is that the economy stopped falling in December of 2008, several weeks before The Messiah was even sworn into office. Therefore, Obama did NOT stop the economy from falling because he wasn't even president at the time. Starting in January of 2009, the economy went sideways for several months and the recession ENDED in June of 2009. Hardly any of the stimulus money had been actually spent by that point which is something that even Obama later complained about when he admitted that shovel ready was not as shovel ready as he expected. Therefore, Obama's stimulus program didn't move the economy from a static to a growing state because his stimulus program was not even close to being rolled out when the economy started growing again. Ironically, a landmark study by two middle of the road economists Mark Zandi and Alan Blinder credits Bush's TARP program and Federal Reserve monetary changes in the last quarter of 2008 as being the major factors that stopped the economy from falling and created a basis for it to start growing again.

- BO's second of four arguments is "A slow recovery is inevitable." This is the Weasel-In-Chief's argument NOW. But back in 2010 he and his sidekick Biden were predicting a very strong economic recovery out of this recession. Generally, the deeper and more painful the recession the faster and stronger the recovery. I'm being called away on a family emergency now but I shall retunr to this post later on and deal with the utter bogusness of BO's four arguments about why the economic recovery is so slow and why it is always everyone else's fault but his.
 

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26 threads on the US election in the first page of the "US-American Politics" forum.
Like I said, that's ****in stupid.

Might also be a fair description of 25 of the people who started them!

It's a popular topic. Personally I like when threads are broken up, makes them easier to follow. When they get merged it's too much to sift through, and trying to follow multiple "sub-threads" within a thread just isn't worth the effort.

If you find the logic of many who respond easy to follow!