NP Finds an Uncle Tom Type Beekeeper

grainfedpraiboy

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"He and many other beekeepers are more worried that the anti-neonic beekeepers and the environmentalist groups eagerly lining up behind yet another campaign targeting pesticide makers, could be pushing the government down a dangerous path. Especially since just a few changes to the way neonics have been applied in recent years are already showing a rapid rebound in bee populations. Banning the chemicals now could do far more harm to agriculture in Canada than any trouble neonics may be causing"..............................

Bees, bans and bungling: How an anti-pesticide campaign may spell serious trouble | Financial Post

The article goes on to claim that Alberta Beeks are not susceptible to the same loses under neonics and while I acknowledge we are in a damned if we do damned if we don't position given that the alternative is spraying more toxic chemicals harmful to humans I really don't have a decent opinion one way or the other but I do know this:

The goddamned environment is so toxic right at this very moment that 50-75% of colonies would die off each year and there would be no surplus honey if humans stopped medicating, feeding and managing their colonies and by far that is the real story that government, media, environmental groups and Beek organisations are missing.

I sometimes think of gerryh when I stomp around the bush as he personifies the attitude of the comfortable suburbanite living in a climate controlled residence moving about in a climate controlled car with store shelves full of inexpensive consumer goods and groceries and surrounded by green lawns, leafy trees, endless clean water from the taps and a complete failure to see that the environment is actually suffering and approaching a point of apocalyptic levels, at least from the perspective of anyone old enough to remember a cleaner environment.

I remember taking an ag course 15 years ago at Vermillion Collage for ****s and giggles and to illustrate the importance of protecting yourself from chemical exposure and not relying on government of industry to take it seriously the instructor produced an EPA report that showed the correlated increased incidents of breast cancer, leukemia and children's brain tumours in the urban neighbourhoods where weed/feed was being sprayed vs those that weren't.

Nobody in government or industry was concerned.

He went on to point out that from an ag perspective weed and feed had turned these lawns into drugs addicts where all the beneficial organisms in the lawn were destroyed and the lawn no longer took up nutrients through the ground but instead through their leaves (foliar feeding) and that while the lawns appeared beautiful, lush and healthy they in fact begin to whither if left untreated for more than a few months which is why they need a regular "fix" every 4-6 weeks.

Our environment and farming today is similar to these urban lawns. It looks beautiful and healthy on the surface but in fact it is increasingly sterile, toxic or dying.
 

gerryh

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yup, just stick that 45 under yer chin and pull the trigger. Life ain't worth livin. Everthin has gone ta hell in a handbasket.
 

Kreskin

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This summer was very dry here. Normally I weed and feed, fertilize and water. This year and didn't do anything. Never turned my sprinkler system on. No fertilizer. Certainly the lawn dried up.

Right now the lawn is greener and healthier looking than it has ever been.
 

CDNBear

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I think Grain has simply become more in tune with the environment around him. The small things he once may have overlooked, have become far more apparent.

I don't find it all surprising.
 

Tonington

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Just when you think a new poster may have some sense, you realize you have found another attention wh#re.

Grain joined before you did...attention ωhores aren't really known for abandoning their audience. Though they might post something like you just did rather than say something about the topic.

On the topic of pesticides and apiculture, I'm still not sure where I stand. I think the increased winter deaths could be a combination of factors, much like an aircraft crashing is most often not the result of a single failure, but multiple failures chained together. Europe took the precautionary approach, as they tend to do with most regulations these days. Mites, viruses, chemicals, frequent transportation of colonies, other colony stressors. It very well could be a combination of these and others, and that's where lab studies on toxicology are not so definitive as field studies.

I admit to being ignorant about the toxicology of neonicotinoids with bees, beyond knowing that this class of chemicals has been implicated in bee deaths. I know bee lifespans are measured in weeks, so the timing of the application of pesticides is an important factor which could perhaps be better managed if there is a potent effect, though that would depend a lot on the persistence of the chemicals.
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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I think Grain has simply become more in tune with the environment around him. The small things he once may have overlooked, have become far more apparent.

I don't find it all surprising.

I miss the old Grain who came up with awesome threads like:

WHAT KIND OF RETARD IS DHARMABUM?

Or: KILL KILL AND KILL SOME MORE!

Or my personal favorite: CHICKS WITH GUNS!
 

CDNBear

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I miss the old Grain who came up with awesome threads like:

WHAT KIND OF RETARD IS DHARMABUM?

Or: KILL KILL AND KILL SOME MORE!

Or my personal favorite: CHICKS WITH GUNS!
I miss the old Grain too, but understand the change.

It might take some time, but you will likely see some of the old Grain shining through some day. It takes a lot more time for some people, than it does for others.

Which reminds me, how are the boys doing bud?

We wear white coats at meetings, and have pocket protectors. We ferment our own ethanol though. You should come to the next meeting.
Party on Garth.
 

gerryh

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It might take some time, but you will likely see some of the old Grain shining through some day. It takes a lot more time for some people, than it does for others.






and people wonder why I have been so "anti-war"....... but then again..... what do I know, living in my own little insulated world, right Grain?
 

CDNBear

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and people wonder why I have been so "anti-war"....... but then again..... what do I know, living in my own little insulated world, right Grain?
I don't wonder, I bet Grain doesn't either.

I bet you two have a lot of common ground now. You just need to find it.
 

damngrumpy

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products used responsibly are not a problem I use some.
Worse still the government is acting to ward off certain
groups who are more like talking heads with an agenda.
Sometimes I feel the need for wearing a tin foil hat to prevent
the voices of idiocy. The trouble is those voices spreading
both correct and wildly incorrect statements.
 

Sal

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products used responsibly are not a problem I use some.
Worse still the government is acting to ward off certain
groups who are more like talking heads with an agenda.
Sometimes I feel the need for wearing a tin foil hat to prevent
the voices of idiocy. The trouble is those voices spreading
both correct and wildly incorrect statements
.

that piece is a big problem in that they twist to suit an agenda...the good thing is, they have an agenda and once that is identified it clears things up

follow the money
 

waldo

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Our environment and farming today is similar to these urban lawns. It looks beautiful and healthy on the surface but in fact it is increasingly sterile, toxic or dying.

recent days publication: Genomic analysis of the interaction between pesticide exposure and nutrition in honey bees

Feeding honey bees a natural diet of pollen makes them significantly more resistant to pesticides than feeding them an artificial diet, according to a team of researchers, who also found that pesticide exposure causes changes in expression of genes that are sensitive to diet and nutrition.

Exploring this link further, the researchers found that diet significantly impacts how long bees can survive when given lethal doses of a pesticide.

"This is the first time such a strong link between pesticide exposure and diet has been demonstrated at the molecular level, and the first time the effects of artificial versus natural diets have been explored in terms of resistance to pesticides," said Grozinger. "Diet and nutrition can greatly impact the ability of bees to resist pesticides, and likely other stressors. However, agriculture and urbanization have reduced the amounts and diversity of flowering plants available to bees, which likely nutritionally stresses them and makes them more sensitive to these other stressors. If we can figure out which diets and which flowering plants are nutritionally optimal for honey bees, we can help bees help themselves."