Now the Germans are stirring

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Christian Muslim whatever all can have their freedom to do as they like
If they block the streets Water Cannons for all that should mop things up
 

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Christian Muslim whatever all can have their freedom to do as they like
If they block the streets Water Cannons for all that should mop things up

Non violent methods should be used. Water cannons are not non violent and would only incite & inflame the issue.
 

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It's people pushing their religions in public....and I would hardly call Canada a Christian country. Church attendance has been dropping for decades. Many people identify themselves as Christians but that doesn't really make them Christian

As for the video, I did not see thousands of Muslims nor did I see anything that would intimidate me...but I understand you're Brittish and that may make a difference.

How can we say it's not a Christian country when certain Christian groups have a guaranteed right to separate schools?

Unlike your rather backwards country Canada is a multicultural country not a fundie one. So one religion can not be above all others.

Well, except for two in the Constitution.
 

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How can we say it's not a Christian country when certain Christian groups have a guaranteed right to separate schools?



Well, except for two in the Constitution.

Off topic. Not adding to the OP.
Let it go. Eventually it will change in every province. Just takes time.
Cannuck- Back to your little balls. Off now and play.
 
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I hope they still have the Easter Egg hunt in the public park this year and yet I'd hate to offend anyone by having it.


What should we do?


We need Batman as a Pope.
 

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How can we say it's not a Christian country when certain Christian groups have a guaranteed right to separate schools.

Because it was agreed to in the past. Doesn't make it so today. In fact we have separate schools of all types of religions now.
 

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Because it was agreed to in the past. Doesn't make it so today. In fact we have separate schools of all types of religions now.
Muzzies are going through the same thing Orthodox Christians went through 100 years ago. In 1920 an act of Parliament prevented Ukrainian Orthodox from setting up their own school system.


History does indeed tend to repeat itself.
 

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At last some might say.


Muslim street prayers is now a fairly well used and documented provocation across Europe. The idea is to do a highly aggressive and threatening act in public yet make it look like an act of piety, so that any response to it other than total submission to the subversion of public space to Islamic purpose, appears to be an aggressive and anti-freedom act, as well as a breach of their rights to freedom of religion and making the Muslims be both the aggressor and victim at the same time.

It is quite a treat to see Germans not falling for this the way the British and French have been so far. Feb 8 2014


PI-Köln Doku: Salafisten Demo Mönchengladbach 08.02.2014 Teil 3 Gebet - YouTube


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Germans fight back to classic provocation tactic. At last. | Vlad Tepes

Bearing in mind many Muslims probably object to such tactics on the part of fellow 'Muslims' too.
 

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Bearing in mind many Muslims probably object to such tactics on the part of fellow 'Muslims' too.
Which is a prime reason as to why it is such an inappropriate group behaviour.
 

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Which is a prime reason as to why it is such an inappropriate group behaviour.

Fully agreed. It's just a shame that rather than calling out the specific people and groups doing this, it's just another opportunity to bash Muslims generally. I bet more than a few Muslims are embarrassed by such behaviour in the name of their Faith.
 

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Fully agreed. It's just a shame that rather than calling out the specific people and groups doing this, it's just another opportunity to bash Muslims generally. I bet more than a few Muslims are embarrassed by such behaviour in the name of their Faith.

No it is not Muslim bashing - I would say the same about any religion - group doing this - It is Muslims making a point with peaceful disruption - Not sure what the point is, perhaps someone can translate the German to English.
And I can guarantee that many Muslims are disgusted with this behavior.
Those that do should also speak up and speak out. As I am sure some did, just no news reports as that does not sell.
 

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I think a few things here are simply ridiculous.

1. Kneeling down with your head to the ground has to be one of the least threatening things that anyone could ever do.

2. Canada is explicitly not a "Christian country". Our laws and government are not set up around any religion, and the right to religious freedom is considered a fundamental freedom in our charter of rights.

3. Has nobody pointed out the clear similarities between this German Defense League stuff in relation to Muslims and the Nazi's in relation to the Jews?
 

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I think a few things here are simply ridiculous.

1. Kneeling down with your head to the ground has to be one of the least threatening things that anyone could ever do.

2. Canada is explicitly not a "Christian country". Our laws and government are not set up around any religion, and the right to religious freedom is considered a fundamental freedom in our charter of rights.

3. Has nobody pointed out the clear similarities between this German Defense League stuff in relation to Muslims and the Nazi's in relation to the Jews?

No difference between the GDL, EDL, in France the National Front under Le pen, now his daughter, and in Greece the Golden dawn. Extremism is rampant in the EU and the former USSR.

Have you listened to the Massey lectures, one was on terror groups- as mentioned above, and the failure of Govt to address this. The topic escapes me at this moment, but one critical pint was the Weimar's Republics lack of action in regard to and contributing to the rise of Hitler.

And history is again repeating itself
 

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I have checked around and cannot find that this is a common event - France has outlawed street prayers but have provided facilities for Muslim Prayers.

It's interesting/telling that France thought/thinks that it needed
to enact a law to 'outlaw' street prayers. What outcome would
be expected when blocking off an intersection of traffic for this,
demonstration? At best it's passive aggressive, and totally a
set up for media whoring.

Bearing in mind many Muslims probably object to such tactics on the part of fellow 'Muslims' too.

Are many 'Muslims' publicly objecting to these tactics. Or is there a
large and obvious silence like the lack of objections after 911?
 

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if it had been Christians in the street would you label it as antics? (see below for a fuller explanation) Is there a problem with the one but not the other or are they equally insidious?

I do not have a problem with grace before meals. Although I am not Christian, or Muslim or Hindi, etc. I like the intent of grace before meals said at any meal in anyway by anybody. In my household we almost always say grace before meals and I use the Catholic version because I know the words so it is the handiest. God does not need me to do so, but I believe concentrating on the fact that there is food upon my table is something I am grateful for and it is a reminder of such.

As for the antics I distinguish between what was clearly meant to be a disruption and what is clearly meant to be a song of gratitude. Neither do I have a problem with protesting however, there is a time and place for both. I would also be interested in a translation of what buddy was saying that got everyone so stirred up.

Intent is important in my world.

Sal- Well said. I noted no one disagreed with it.


Thats only because I hadn't seen it yet.


I saw NOTHING wrong with what was going on. I noticed a stage set up to the left in the square with someone ranting on and on in German. Have no idea what it was about, and then a group of Mulsims doing their prayers in the same square as the stage. No traffic was impeded that wasn't already being impeded by the stage, and there was plenty of room on either side of the group of men to get by and around them, so foot traffic was not impeded either. They didn't force anyone to pray with them, they obviously didn't force anyone into silence. Though I did hear a lot of whistleing and caterwalling trying to disrupt the Muslim prayers.

How can we say it's not a Christian country when certain Christian groups have a guaranteed right to separate schools?
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ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh poor baby, still have your knickers all tied up in knots about this I see. You can always move to Scandinavia.
 

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It's interesting/telling that France thought/thinks that it needed
to enact a law to 'outlaw' street prayers. What outcome would
be expected when blocking off an intersection of traffic for this,
demonstration? At best it's passive aggressive, and totally a
set up for media whoring.



Are many 'Muslims' publicly objecting to these tactics. Or is there a
large and obvious silence like the lack of objections after 911?

Try building a Mosque in France. The backlash is immense coordinated by the national front- an extremist group. The Muslims used peaceful action to make their point. Facilities are now open and available for prayers.
 

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It's interesting/telling that France thought/thinks that it needed
to enact a law to 'outlaw' street prayers. What outcome would
be expected when blocking off an intersection of traffic for this,
demonstration? At best it's passive aggressive, and totally a
set up for media whoring.

Are you talking about the event in the video?

If you watch the video, the people praying are clearly not on the street. They are in some sort of public square next to the road. The protesters are in fact blocking the street though.

Are many 'Muslims' publicly objecting to these tactics. Or is there a
large and obvious silence like the lack of objections after 911?

People of all religions condemned the 911 attacks. Where were you?