Not all Jews are Zionists

[CDNBear]

That's right.... You can actually BE right this time. That's what you said alright: "No it wasn't".

:roll:

I'll leave you to your arbitrary and unrelenting bullshyte that the Muddled East is all about.

BTW: "Indian" has been attributed to Christopher Columbus. He wasn't a Brit....

Christopher Columbus wrote the "Indian Act"?

Can you point out where I said the Brits coined the term?

Sorry I so bruised your ego, so early in the morning Lone.

Trouble is, those pesky Jews made Palestine an economic zone that offered jobs for Arabs.

A fact so often lost in the discussion.

 

[lone wolf]

They took it back in a defensive war. Like you said, shyte happens, and once again, we expect Israel to rise to a higher standard by respecting the "International City clause", even after winning it in a defensive war, while we place no such expectation on Jordan, after winning it in an offensive war.

Wow.... You must be reading the unpublished chapter. CNN wasn't there to cover any pissoffedness over Jordan in Jerusalem.

:roll:

I'll leave you to your arbitrary and unrelenting bullshyte that the Muddled East is all about.

Christopher Columbus wrote the "Indian Act"?

Can you point out where I said the Brits coined the term?

Sorry I so bruised your ego, so early in the morning Lone.

A fact so often lost in the discussion.

Read what you want into things. You're famous for it.

 

[CDNBear]

Wow.... You must be reading the unpublished chapter. CNN wasn't there to cover any pissoffedness over Jordan in Jerusalem.

It's well documented history.

Ignored by the usual suspects.

Read what you want into things. You're famous for it.

:roll:

Maybe if you didn't work so hard at looking objective, there wouldn't be room for error.

 

[Just the Facts]

Wow.... You must be reading the unpublished chapter. CNN wasn't there to cover any pissoffedness over Jordan in Jerusalem.


Read what you want into things. You're famous for it.

Exactly. When Jordan controlled East Jerusalem, as well as the West Bank, there wasn't any pissedoffedness among "Palestinians" at all. Only when the Jews won it all by defending themselves from a coalition of Arab armies, did we start hearing about "Palestinian" liberation.

I read the facts. Just the facts. Thank you very much.

No CNN, but lets take time out for some honest reporting:

Jerusalem: The Media Myth of Two Cities - YouTube

 

[lone wolf]

It's well documented history.

Ignored by the usual suspects.

:roll:

Maybe if you didn't work so hard at looking objective, there wouldn't be room for error.

You know.... Someone else here prided themselves in their self-proclaimed ability to get under people's skins too. Are you he?

Exactly. When Jordan controlled East Jerusalem, as well as the West Bank, there wasn't any pissedoffedness among "Palestinians" at all. Only when the Jews won it all by defending themselves from a coalition of Arab armies, did we start hearing about "Palestinian" liberation.

I read the facts. Just the facts. Thank you very much.

No CNN, but lets take time out for some honest reporting:

Jerusalem: The Media Myth of Two Cities - YouTube

Would you really expect Palestinians to complain about Jordanian occupation of Jerusalem? Funny thing about putting the shoe on the other foot. I bet Israel complained....

 

[CDNBear]

You know.... Someone else here prided themselves in their self-proclaimed ability to get under people's skins too. Are you he?

So in otherwords, you know you were wrong, but just can't admit it, because I pointed it out?

I don't get what your problem is.

You claimed it was all Arab land. That is the sort of arbitrary and unrelenting bullshyte that the Muddled East is all about. To use your own words.

If there was Arabs, Druze, Jews, Bedouin. Was it all Arab land?

Would you really expect Palestinians to complain about Jordanian occupation of Jerusalem?

You forgot the West Bank, and yes.

 

[lone wolf]

In you own little black-and-white world, you might even have a point. Semantics when facts don't speak for you and facts when the semantics flay you. Cloud the subject to oblivion. Target fixation is a terrible thing ain't it? I see your need to be right so go ahead and be right. Stroke that fuzzy ego more mm-kay?

 

[CDNBear]

In you own little black-and-white world, you might even have a point. Semantics when facts don't speak for you and facts when the semantics flay you. Cloud the subject to oblivion. Target fixation is a terrible thing ain't it? I see your need to be right so go ahead and be right. Stroke that fuzzy ego more mm-kay?

I'm not the offended party.

You may want to look up the definition of semantics. If you think there's an argument in semantics going here.

 

[lone wolf]

You either give yourself way too much credit or suffer too much smug delusion if you think you'll ever be sharp enough to get under my skin. Your headgames are amateurish in comparison to my ex's

 

[CDNBear]

You either give yourself way too much credit or suffer too much smug delusion if you think you'll ever be sharp enough to get under my skin. Your headgames are amateurish in comparison to my ex's

Speaking of reading into things.

I was and wanted to talk about how it was not all Arab land. Full stop.

Not arbitrary bullshyte, muddled anything, under skin, winning, or me for that matter.

If one didn't know any better, it would almost look like you wanted to talking about anything but, what this conversation started with.

Just sayin'.

 

[lone wolf]

To the folk who came up with the Balfour Declaration, occupied the land then donated it to Israel, it was all Arab land. To the Arabs, it was all Arab land. The little guys, tribes, and whichever tribe or nation to which they paid homage didn't matter to the powers that were.

For all intents and purpose, it was all Arab land.

 

[CDNBear]

To the folk who came up with the Balfour Declaration, occupied the land then donated it to Israel, it was all Arab land.

To the Arabs, it was all Arab land. The little guys, tribes, and whichever tribe or nation to which they paid homage didn't matter to the powers that were.

That does not make it a fact.

For all intents and purpose, it was all Arab land.

Only to the Arabs and Western powers with an agenda.

There are other groups that have legitimate claims to title as well. The Jews being one of them.

By the way, it isn't my opinion on what is and isn't an Arab. I'm basing my position on the self identified parties involved.

 

[lone wolf]

Did I say it made it a fact? Laws and boundaries are too often based on concepts, ideologies and agendas. If those other groups had a voice when Resolution 181 was tabled, they might even have mattered to the powers that be. I believe that is the source of much hostility today in the Middle East.

 

[CDNBear]

Did I say it made it a fact?

Well, ya, kinda...

You've got the poor me down pat.... Now why not take a look at the 1948 map? It was all Arab land before that.

Laws and boundaries are too often based on concepts, ideologies and agendas. If those other groups had a voice when Resolution 181 was tabled, they might even have mattered to the powers that be. I believe that is the source of much hostility today in the Middle East.

I can't argue with that.

 

[lone wolf]

Well, ya, kinda...

...in the way that asking my grandkids what Santa brought them makes Santa a fact ;-)

 

[Just the Facts]

Would you really expect Palestinians to complain about Jordanian occupation of Jerusalem? Funny thing about putting the shoe on the other foot. I bet Israel complained....

Why wouldn't Palestinians complain about Jordanian occupation?

Israel may have complained, I don't know. What they didn't do is fire rockets into East Jerusalem, blow up buses in East Jerusalem, blow up Pizza parlours in East Jerusalem, continually cry about right of return, get a multi-billion dollar UN agency to take care of their refugees, etc. etc. etc.

 

[lone wolf]

Why wouldn't Palestinians complain about Jordanian occupation?

Israel may have complained, I don't know. What they didn't do is fire rockets into East Jerusalem, blow up buses in East Jerusalem, blow up Pizza parlours in East Jerusalem, continually cry about right of return, get a multi-billion dollar UN agency to take care of their refugees, etc. etc. etc.

Not likely pizza joints. Brits weren't big on them. Violence?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

No UN agency to look after the refugees? Sure they did ... and they named it Israel.

 

[gerryh]

Gopher, when Christ was asked he stated that the 10 commandments were the only laws from the Father Almighty. They are the laws that were carried over from the OT to the NT. He also stated that he brought a new covenant. This new covenant would supersede the old covenant made with Moses.

 

[eanassir]

Notice how it's important to point out that Israel "captured" East Jersalem in 1967, but just ignore that Jordan "captured" it in 1948.

This is an obvious fallacy; because it is the country of Palestine which was occupied by England, which gave it to Jews.

"When Palestine was assigned under the English Mandatory power according to San Remo conference at 1920, the Mandatory document said that England must fulfill Balfour’s declaration.

Therefore, England appointed a Zionist to be its first High Commissioner in Palestine, and under his support the Zionists became active, and they worked to increase their power and supervision, and to increase their immigrants; because he opened widely the way to the Zionist immigration to Palestine, and encouraged the owning of land by various ways, so that large number of colonies, foundations and Zionist companies were founded.

But the Arab people of Palestine did not agree about that, and they revolted violently with many great revolutions in which the blood of martyrs was shed profusely; the most famous of those revolutions was the Revolution of 1936 which continued until the year 1939 in which England used the tanks and fighting aircraft to suppress it in corporation with the armed Zionist bands."

Balfour’s Declaration—November, 2, 1917

 

[CDNBear]

This is an obvious fallacy; because it is the country of Palestine which was occupied by England, which gave it to Jews.

"When Palestine was assigned under the English Mandatory power according to San Remo conference at 1920, the Mandatory document said that England must fulfill Balfour’s declaration.

Therefore, England appointed a Zionist to be its first High Commissioner in Palestine, and under his support the Zionists became active, and they worked to increase their power and supervision, and to increase their immigrants; because he opened widely the way to the Zionist immigration to Palestine, and encouraged the owning of land by various ways, so that large number of colonies, foundations and Zionist companies were founded.

But the Arab people of Palestine did not agree about that, and they revolted violently with many great revolutions in which the blood of martyrs was shed profusely; the most famous of those revolutions was the Revolution of 1936 which continued until the year 1939 in which England used the tanks and fighting aircraft to suppress it in corporation with the armed Zionist bands."

Balfour’s Declaration—November, 2, 1917

1, what does Palestine mean?

2, Who occupied the area, before England?

3, who named the area Palestine?

4, why did you forget about the appointment of the Grand Mufti, by England.