Besides, there would be no more lineups at the border, no need of a passport and no more import duties or tariffs on our products. Sounds horrible to me.
North American Union & Canada
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Like no more First Nations after New France was founded? Like no more Quebec after the Plains of Abraham?
There would still be a Canada, just in a larger allegiance. But of course rather than through coersion as was the case with the natives and Quebec, it would have to be through consultation. Actually, this could even solve native and Quebec issues too. It would be a chance to press the reset button. We could establish a new larger nation into which all parties would join of their own free will. Quebec and the First Nations could be in the consultations. And we negotiate a deal that protects their cultures as much as the ex-colonial ones equally.
Just a thought.
I wonder why the North American Union is never mentioned by the media?
Does anyone know?
The fact that the North American Union is not mentioned by the media kind of skews the election, don't you think?
Do you not think that all issues should be put on the table?
Are they planning to drop this on us without even giving us a chance to vote for or against it?
Does anyone know?
The fact that the North American Union is not mentioned by the media kind of skews the election, don't you think?
Do you not think that all issues should be put on the table?
Are they planning to drop this on us without even giving us a chance to vote for or against it?
No where does Harper mention clear support for a North American Union. He may have toyed with the idea, but never seriously, or at least not now. If he did consider it seriously, it would be a major debating point today. As for the SPP, that's strictly a military and economic alliance, not a total union.
Now I'm for world federation, but with so many conditions that even I would not likely jump into any union too quickly.
As for Harper, who knows. Maybe he does support such a union in principle, but it doesn't seem to be a priority for him any time in the near future. So I don't think that's a major issue right now. And with the US economy now, Harper is even less likely to want such a union any time in the near future until the uS cleans up its economy, and that's IF he even agrees with a union in principle, which you have yet to prove more conclusively.
Doea Harper have it in writing? I say alot of things in speech that are only considerations, not commitments. Even if Harper should have mentioned support for such a thing, unless it's in an official policy statement in writing, it may just be that he was contemplating the idea, not committing to it.
Now I'm for world federation, but with so many conditions that even I would not likely jump into any union too quickly.
As for Harper, who knows. Maybe he does support such a union in principle, but it doesn't seem to be a priority for him any time in the near future. So I don't think that's a major issue right now. And with the US economy now, Harper is even less likely to want such a union any time in the near future until the uS cleans up its economy, and that's IF he even agrees with a union in principle, which you have yet to prove more conclusively.
Doea Harper have it in writing? I say alot of things in speech that are only considerations, not commitments. Even if Harper should have mentioned support for such a thing, unless it's in an official policy statement in writing, it may just be that he was contemplating the idea, not committing to it.
Well Machjo why do you think all the other parties are so concerned with it?
From the Green Party web site, https://secure.greenparty.ca/spp.php
From the NDP web site, http://www.ndp.ca/platform/otherpriorities/thenorth
But finally I got this reply from the Liberal Party of Canada head office on Saturday.
Now check the videos and web sites on this page, http://hubpages.com/hub/North-American-Union--Canada
I have no doubt that a Harper majority would implement the North American Union within the Council on Foreign Relations time frame, by 2010.
From the Green Party web site, https://secure.greenparty.ca/spp.php
From the NDP web site, http://www.ndp.ca/platform/otherpriorities/thenorth
But finally I got this reply from the Liberal Party of Canada head office on Saturday.
Now check the videos and web sites on this page, http://hubpages.com/hub/North-American-Union--Canada
I have no doubt that a Harper majority would implement the North American Union within the Council on Foreign Relations time frame, by 2010.
Your quotes are from the Green Party and Liberal Parties. They both want out of the SPP, and the Liberals specifically say they want no NAU. But can you give a Conservative Party quote that clearly supports the NAU? And I don't mean some little flash comment on the media expressing interest in the idea, but a clear official policy statement?
By the way, I'd like out of the SPP myself. A strictly military and economic union is backwards in my opinion. We should start by establishing more cultural ties first, and then move on from there. Not start right off the bat with military as the main forcus.
Machjo in this video both Harper and Bush deny the the Mid-Continental trade corridor on Aug. 21, 2007 at the Security and Prosperity Partnership Summit in Montebello, Quebec. In the same video the speaker of the Throne Speech on Nov. 20, 2007 (3 months later) at the Manitoba legislature says that Manitoba is taking part in a Mid-Continental trade corridor.
Why the lies?
Why the secrecy?
You can read about the Security Agenda from the SPP web site, http://spp.gov/
You can listen to Steven Harper's talk at the Councin on Foreign Relations,
http://www.cfr.org/publication/14255/conversation_with_stephen_harper_video.html
The Councin on Foreign Relations wants to implement NAU by 2010,
http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2008/apr08/08-04-16.html
Why the lies?
Why the secrecy?
You can read about the Security Agenda from the SPP web site, http://spp.gov/
You can listen to Steven Harper's talk at the Councin on Foreign Relations,
http://www.cfr.org/publication/14255/conversation_with_stephen_harper_video.html
The Councin on Foreign Relations wants to implement NAU by 2010,
http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2008/apr08/08-04-16.html
More cultural ties? Are you insane we are being culturally drowned in the dumbed down rot produced by our southern neighbour right now. What culture? It is a fundemental lack of distinct culture that passes for culture, it's as phoney as their democracy and their benevolence. I say cut all ties and forget them totally. I don't want us involved in their pending civil war.
I totally agree darkbeaver. By the way, I just heard over the weekend that the Conservatives won't be getting any Native votes in my area. :smile:
I did try to reply to this Machjo but it seems like the moderator is censoring me again.
I did try to reply to this Machjo but it seems like the moderator is censoring me again.
Let's try this again after an edit. :smile:
Machjo in this video both Harper and Bush deny the the Mid-Continental trade corridor on Aug. 21, 2007 at the Security and Prosperity Partnership Summit in Montebello, Quebec. Yet in the same video the speaker of the Throne Speech on Nov. 20, 2007 (3 months later) at the Manitoba legislature says that Manitoba is taking part in a Mid-Continental trade corridor.
You can read about the Security Agenda from the SPP web site, http://spp.gov/
You can watch Harper's talk at the Council on Foreign Relations,
http://www.cfr.org/publication/14255/conversation_with_stephen_harper_video.html
The Council on Foreign Relations plans to implement the North American Union by 2010,
http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2008/apr08/08-04-16.html
I'm well aware of US cultural hegemony. What I'd be proposing would be a more systematic analysis of cultural similarities upon which to build while still promoting local culture, as opposed to the current free for all where US culture is just buldozing everything in its way.
I do understand what you're saying. Yet active participation in setting the ground rules for cultural dialogue would actually help to protect local culture.
Mikemac, what are you trying to post? Nothing's been edited that I can see.
Just fyi, the only time we ever edit a post is if it is in direct violation of the rules - hate speak, or profanity on public forums, that kind of stuff.
Newbies often have trouble posting links due to a post count of 20 that must be reached - this is just a spammer deterrent, and shouldn't cause you any problem after you've hit that mark. For some reason it takes a few more than 20 for some people.
ooops - sorry Mikemac - a second look showed me that your post with the links was withheld due to the links - you should be able to see it now.
Our culture itself has become a homongenized totally consummer oriented thing, we have been had Machjo and had badly by the bankers and the bilkers, there is no hope of positive change for either country untill the people have real democratic power. Under the present rules we will never decide our own cultural expression, do the math 300 million trumps 30 million every time. NASCAR The Grand Ole Opre and cheezeburgers will rule forever if we let them. I say take advantage of the coming depression to isolate Canada from the dying empire to the south. Already we are experiancing the economic contraction and we must retool and reeducate to provide goods and services for Canadians made in Canada by Canadians. The oportunity must not be missed, we can build shoes and manufacture our own cloths and furniture and vehicles and we must have a national energy program but we do not need further integration with American unculture.
In any case fully half the Americans I read want a greatly expanded social safety net including universal medicare and free education anything less than that is nothing, so enjoy the revolution because it is coming, uncle sam already masses resources to crush it.