North American integration - second North American Forum

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While the media were busy obsessing over rumours of a budding romance between Condoleezza Rice and Peter MacKay last week, a more significant relationship was developing behind closed doors.

Away from the spotlight, from September 12 to 14, in Banff Springs, Minister of Public Safety Stockwell Day and Defence Minister Gordon O'Connor met with U.S. and Mexican government officials and business leaders to discuss North American integration at the second North American Forum.

"Getting closer to Uncle Sam" {quote above from this article:
http://tinyurl.com/ecpjh

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We are getting closer to being Americans than we know:
- we don't know because the Conservatives are not telling us what their agenda is, and no comment is all we get after these meetings.
- we are getting closer because the Harper government is making moves that are erasing our soveriegnty from the USA.

There are two main groups of corporate heads who are crafting this agenda with the Harper government and the Americans - the Canadian Council of Chief Executives — the élite club of Canada's richest CEOs — and the Canada West Foundation, an Alberta think-tank that promotes, among other things, closer economic integration with the United States.

Please understand that these are "Elites", corporate Elites and some politicians. These people help support Harper and he helps them. Ordinary Canadians are just scum to any and all who were at that meeting, we can count on that { I know one of them personally]. They are planning our future without letting us in on any details.

What really bothers me is the military changes Harper has planned. Make it bigger, ramp up the funding for it, and make it so we can operate within the American forces "wherever they go, whatever they do".

Maybe we will change our legal framework so we can torture people too - even innocent people and then not get charged with any offence against humanity because, well, we are doing what America does.

Here are some points in the Agenda of the CCCE that have to do with Canadian military issues, from the CCCE website [link below]:

# Whatever the country's armed forces are asked to do, they must be equipped and trained to do well. Even assuming a significant increase in the total resources devoted to defence and security, review of defence policy, must specify the roles and missions Canada expects its armed forces to perform in protecting Canadian territory and as an instrument of its foreign policy.
# The imperative of excellence requires choices. Just as the government recently decided to forego replacing Cold War main battle tanks in favour of air transportable lightly armoured gun systems, the equipment and training of land, naval and air forces must be focused on the threats Canada is most likely to face in the years ahead.
# Whatever roles and missions Canada chooses, its military forces must be able to operate effectively in conjunction with those of the United States and other allies, within North America and globally.

http://www.ceocouncil.ca/en/canada/defence.php

They don't tell us much detail there, but we can see the general slant they are on, from their website.
They are telling us that we are facing a THREAT, now and in the future, and we know that means terrorists. I would remind everyone that Canada has yet to be attacked, and the USA has now lost more of its citizens to Bush's response to 9/11 than were killed in the 9/11 attacks themselves.
There is no threat. i don't feel it. The chances of any one of us individually getting killed by a terrorist are so miniscule here in Canada, even in the USA, that there realy is no threat. We don't need stronger military to deal with that.

Do we really want to follow Bush down this path?
Harper does.

Karlin
 

Researcher87

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The biggest threat Canada will have if it wants to remain a country is not terrorism, that is just a threat targetted from time to time from different groups, in this day and age, Al Qaida, but the major threat that will always be canada's threat if it wants to survive as a country is America.
 

Karlin

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Thank you.

It is the first task of any government to be in charge of the military. This appears to be what the USA is doing here...

Here is the "Canada West Foundation" website, in case anyone wants to get a taste of what they say -
http://www.cwf.ca/
 

Sassylassie

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Canada is in charge of The Canadian Armed Forces, however I thank god we have "Big Brother" over seeing out troops in Afganistan. Without their Air Support I fear we'd have more fallen. I wave a great big hello to the USA, and I'm throwing in a hug.

Yawn more Karlin Tin Foil hat stuff.
 

thomaska

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It's only a matter of time before we take over and have you all saying "y'all" instead of "eh". Muahahahaha! :lol:
 

Karlin

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and they wonder why I don't follow up on my posts, ha ha ha.[just kidding, thanks for the replies].
[no, I AM cereal]
 

Proud American

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thomaska said:
It's only a matter of time before we take over and have you all saying "y'all" instead of "eh". Muahahahaha! :lol:


lol.....does everyone in America say ya'll?? :lol: I know those in Penny say "yens" and some actually say "you all"!! LOL!!! Still country no matter how you put it.... :lol: :lol:
 

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Researcher87 said:
The biggest threat Canada will have if it wants to remain a country is not terrorism, that is just a threat targetted from time to time from different groups, in this day and age, Al Qaida, but the major threat that will always be canada's threat if it wants to survive as a country is America.

Explain....? How is America a "threat" to Canada? Do you know something I don't? LOL!.....Is Canada about to become our 51st and largest state?? :lol:
 

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Proud American said:
Researcher87 said:
The biggest threat Canada will have if it wants to remain a country is not terrorism, that is just a threat targetted from time to time from different groups, in this day and age, Al Qaida, but the major threat that will always be canada's threat if it wants to survive as a country is America.

Explain....? How is America a "threat" to Canada? Do you know something I don't? LOL!.....Is Canada about to become our 51st and largest state?? :lol:

I doubt that!

You guys REALLY want 35 million DEMOCRATS to join up? :D

Maybe I'm asking the wrong person...........
 

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Colpy said:
Proud American said:
Researcher87 said:
The biggest threat Canada will have if it wants to remain a country is not terrorism, that is just a threat targetted from time to time from different groups, in this day and age, Al Qaida, but the major threat that will always be canada's threat if it wants to survive as a country is America.

Explain....? How is America a "threat" to Canada? Do you know something I don't? LOL!.....Is Canada about to become our 51st and largest state?? :lol:

I doubt that!

You guys REALLY want 35 million DEMOCRATS to join up? :D

Maybe I'm asking the wrong person...........

I am neither Republican nor Democrat, both groups are liars to me....so the answer would be NO......lol.. :lol: :lol:
 

Researcher87

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America is Canada's biggest threat because at some point in time, someone might just come along and say, well what's the point in having a larger nation with a smaller population up north from us. And we have such an expanding population, some of that room would be nice for Americans to settle.

It is something in America called Manifest Destiny where they should believe their flag should fly all the way to the North Pole, and since America tried to invade in 1812 and failed, attempted to support the Fenians in 1860s and failed and had invasion plans in the 1930s to invade Canada, even though terrorism may be apart of the threat level, America will always be a threat for Canada to be a nation.
 

Zzarchov

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America isn't just going to absorb a soveriegn nation as new territory..I mean, they haven't done that since Hawaii..and that was way back in the Twentieth Century, we are in the Twenty-First now!
 

I think not

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Researcher87 said:
America is Canada's biggest threat because at some point in time, someone might just come along and say, well what's the point in having a larger nation with a smaller population up north from us. And we have such an expanding population, some of that room would be nice for Americans to settle.

It is something in America called Manifest Destiny where they should believe their flag should fly all the way to the North Pole, and since America tried to invade in 1812 and failed, attempted to support the Fenians in 1860s and failed and had invasion plans in the 1930s to invade Canada, even though terrorism may be apart of the threat level, America will always be a threat for Canada to be a nation.

Interesting take there. Tell us about the Canadian version of Manifest Destiny instead. If you have trouble understanding what it is, look at a map what Canada was in 1867 and look at it now.
 

Researcher87

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Zzarchov said:
America isn't just going to absorb a soveriegn nation as new territory..I mean, they haven't done that since Hawaii..and that was way back in the Twentieth Century, we are in the Twenty-First now!

So does that really f*ing matter what century we are in. States have been obsorbed through world history. And that is Canada's main threat to survive. There is terrorism and seperatism and all stuff, but the main threat will always be America.

Interesting take there. Tell us about the Canadian version of Manifest Destiny instead. If you have trouble understanding what it is, look at a map what Canada was in 1867 and look at it now.

Canada's manifest destiny was from sea to sea, and then sea which was taken through negotiation and swallowed up territory that was independent mostly of british or Canadian control.
 

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The U.S. would have "absorbed" Mexico to the south before Canada if expansion was their intent.

It costs the U.S. plenty right now caring for a huge Mexican citizenry who have no health care, housing, education for their children and elderly needs, etc. - it would be a financial benefit just to combine with that country and give the Mexican poor a good life, rather than creating felons.

Developing Mexico would be a win win situation for both nations.
 

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Researcher wrote: So does that really f*ing matter what century we are in. States have been obsorbed through world history. And that is Canada's main threat to survive. There is terrorism and seperatism and all stuff, but the main threat will always be America.

How is America a threat to us????????
 

I think not

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Researcher87 said:
Canada's manifest destiny was from sea to sea, and then sea which was taken through negotiation and swallowed up territory that was independent mostly of british or Canadian control.