Who said they shouldn't be charged?
I agree, but it is justice.
Not simple enough, you still don't get it.
Which is why you confuse the issue with blanket generalizations and stereotypes, all the time.
No justice in leniency shown to aboriginal offenders
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Let me make this clear - You have a small hardon for First Nations people. I will ask you one question - think it over and tell me what life prospects that person would generally have when you consider your answer.Include off reserve - on reserve -
Would you like to be born as a First Nations in Canada.
Canada's sure given aboriginals special treatment ever since Europeans landed here alright. Still does. Aboriginal societies in trouble are a direct result of outsider interference. That influence destabilized the societies here, and seems to have trouble figuring out what to do about it. I think there's a perfectly simple solution.
You seem to just want to snivel about how natives deal with how poorly our society can fix their societies. That helps a great big bunch.
Here's some info: http://www.ajic.mb.ca/volumel/chapter7.html
http://canada.justice.gc.ca/eng/pi/ajs-sja/
http://www.scowinstitute.ca/library/documents/Aboriginal_Courts_Fact_Sheet.pdf
You want a melting pot rather than a multicultural country? Go to the States. It isn't any better there.
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Oh Goober! That's offside, lol.
Don't do anything silly like hold your breath waiting for a response.
Ok, I thought that part was a given though, lol, It seems to me to be the kind of question that will just be ignored altogether. Time will tell.
LOL, no, I was referring to the part about dealing with how poorly our society can fix their society.
I was curious about tense for the most part. As I see it, apart from contractual obligations, it ours job to fix where we are now.
Nothing wrong with accepting help. Builds stronger bridges and better understanding.
I have no problem accepting help. I have have a problem with expecting it, especially when you mismanage what you get by contract.
This was a generalization - At times you never know what another mans life is like until you see it first hand.
It was referring to communities working together - I should have been more specific on that.
Well, I was a bit sloppy in my usage of terms, too, so I take partial responsibility for the confusion. lol
We haven't been able to fix anything, so I'd be much happier if our society HELPED their societies get back on track. Of course, this isn't 300 years ago so there has to be modifications everywhere.
That throws a wrench into things, alright.
This is true. But I've seen it first hand, not all of it, but enough to make me wary about all the plight being the fault of someone other than.
I'd like to see that too. When I've been part of such co-operative ventures, there's always someone on one side or the other that wants to make it difficult, by dwelling on the peripherals.
I see a lot of bitching about it, but other than the Feds recently making demands of First Nations leaders making their accounts public, it's been my experience that when confronted with documented fraud. The Feds seem to go blind. Especially when it involves Pocket Injins.
At times I do sort of feel for the Feds on native issues as it seems in most cases, they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Thanks (in large part) is due to the way so many of the original treaties were worded and the ways some gov't officials have tried to get around them but it doesn't end there. If they ignore issues and hope they go away ( a time honoroed bureaucratic response), they are negligent and not honoring the deals made. If they adopt/implement a plan that someone doesn't agree with they are insensitive/irresponsible and still held as not honoring the deals made. If they go after corruption of "pocket injuns" they are called racist for persecuting natives for crimes they (the Feds/the White Man) created. I realize a lot of the negativity comes from idiots in all corners but it still creates a no-win air surrounding much of what occurs...
Nope. Cooperation between societies is one remedy. There may be others.
Personally, I have no problem with there being 1 or 101 different societies in this country. We have provinces with their own laws, customs, traditions, etc., we can treat each society as its own province. They don't have to even stake a claim on real estate for that.
I read about a quarter of the first link and took two quotes from it below. In the first quote, it seems like most aboriginals want to avoid the justice system, who doesn't. To be so passive and unwilling to learn is a plan doomed to failure.
In the second quote, talk of culturally appropriate administration of justice is trying to force a square peg into a round hole. It creates many jobs for lawyers, but achieves little succes for aboriginals. The federal govt will produce numerous papers, say everything is getting better, bend over backwards to help, and police will continue to arrest people who break the law, whatever their race. There is nothing unique about aboriginals in Canada.
Aboriginals used to make their own law, that time is over now. Equality is the mantra now.
"When they do engage the legal system, or become engaged by it, the manner in which their problems are dealt with often is out of tune with their unique position as Aboriginal people. As a result, they have come to mistrust the Canadian legal system and will avoid it when possible. Even when they do have to deal with it, we find that they simply minimize their exposure to it. This can take the form of inappropriate guilty pleas, failure to attend court appearances and a perpetual passivity that manifests itself in an apparent air of indifference about what happens to them in court."
"Solutions must ensure that the administration of justice to Aboriginal people is culturally appropriate."
I beg to differ. The diversion portion of Gladue, has less rate of recidivism than the mainstream legal system.
In fact, Gladue ensures programs are available to First Nations, that are not accessible to non natives, until they are sentenced.
With such positive results, the complaints about limited access to mainstream services, from Court mental health workers, are many.
Who gives a crap about which system is used for whom as long as whatever system is used has better effects? If the native idea of justice works better then I'm fine with it. If it also works for the rest of us, so much the better. But ours obviously doesn't work for the aboriginals and doesn't even work all that well for the rest of us.