Nibiru and Planet X

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The United States Government squashed the story immediately! For some arcane top-secret reason the government doesn't want to alarm or panic the general public by disclosure of this discovery. Why? Because a race of reptilian super-beings inhabits that planet, and common knowledge of this fact would have people screaming in the streets. Listen to this story.
Long, long ago, approximately 500,000 years back into the past, our Planet Earth/Tiamat was a quite different place than it is today. To clarify a point, this planet's original name is Tiamat. The nickname "Earth", from the Greek "Gaia", is only a recent innovation. Herein, this planet will be referred to as Planet Tiamat.

A half a million years ago, Tiamat was not located in Space where it is today. It orbited farther out from the Sun, in between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter. Mars was orbiting at a distance much closer to the Sun than now and was quite habitable, with a temperate climate and liquid water. This fact has been verified numerous times by NASA and other scientific groups. What those groups do not acknowledge is the fact that Mars had a different orbital pattern than today. Establishment groups do not accept a cataclysmic evolution of this solar system, at least not publicly.

Then, too, Tiamat's system was closer to the Star Sirius (or Sothis, as the ancient Egyptians called it). This solar system and the Sirian planetary system are part of a unit. The two systems are gravitationally connected to one another, a new fact that is now beginning to gain widespread consensus from the scientific community. Our "Sirian Regional System" as a unit revolves around the Central Sun Alcyone in the Pleiades Cluster, which might be termed "the Pleiades Quadrant". This greater sector revolves around the Galactic Center, in the direction of the Stars of Sagittarius, once every 200,000,000 years or so. What is so significant about our present-day epoch is that certain great cycles relating to orbital alignments within the Pleiades Quadrant and between this Quadrant and the Galactic Center are starting to repeat themselves, and there's nothing that we can do about it. It's happening, folks! Prepare for the unexpected! This Great Cycle should be in full swing by 21 December 2012 CE. Mark your calendars!

But returning to the history of Nibiru andiamat, our planet had a much colder environment than today. The humanoid population, which our paleontologists and the like call "Neanderthals", were hardier and hairier than we are. They lived in caves to take advantage of the natural internal warmth of Tiamat. These early Tiamatians were directly descended from ancestors in the Pleiades, a fact that can be amply verified by the history and mythology of the Mayas and the Polynesians, to name a couple. However, the Pleiadian origins of Tiamat in the first place will not be discussed in this brief history. That is for another time and space.

This solar system was internally stable 500,000 years ago. But an unanticipated, strange event occurred. One of the larger planets from the Sirian System had strayed off course eons before and had drifted our way. This planet had been unwittingly captured by our Sun and thrown into an extremely elongated comet-like orbit, lasting 3,600 of our current years, with its aphelion at the Oort Cloud, the very boundary of the Sun's gravitational field. It is approximately the size of our Planet Neptune. It is populated with a reptilian super-race governed by an elite aristocracy known as "the Nefilim". The general population is known as "Anunnaki" (Sumerian) or "Anakim" (Old Testament). At the time of this event, the Planet Nibiru was being ruled by Emperor Alalu and Empress Lilitu.

After its capture by our Sun, the Planet Nibiru slowly began to suffer atmospheric deterioration. The governing "Council of Twelve" headed by Emperor Alalu met in emergency session and concluded that in order for their planet to survive, a heat-shield of gold dust would have to be constructed to protect their atmosphere and prevent a cooling off of the planet, which would have been disastrous for a reptilian-based existence constantly dependent upon external heat sources for bodily warmth. They began an immediate exploration of their new solar system. A fleet of spacecraft was dispatched to Tiamat and other planets in an attempt to search for gold.
 
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Cosmic Winter - A Lecture by Victor Clube
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Moderator: In introduction, I just should say that Victor is the author of two extremely intriguing books. The first is The Cosmic Serpent which was published in 1982, and the second is The Cosmic Winter, published in 1990 in collaboration with astronomer Bill Napier. And I think that today Victor is going to present a talk illustrated by slides which will continue along the lines that he developed in The Cosmic Winter, which is a book that I urge all of you to read if you can.

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The fact is, we just didn't have an organized observatory, anywhere, doing the job, so we weren't really quite as an advanced civilization as the Chinese. Nevertheless, people in the seventeenth/sixteenth century were trying to come to terms with the phenomenon they obviously observed. And this is merely a theoretical picture, if you like, illustrating what a fireball was.
©UnknownHamburg Fireballs Here are the frightened folks down below. There are the fireballs coming down. And there is the source - some kind of clash in the sky; slightly more modern than gods fighting each other, armies shooting each other and the fireballs a stray shot, if you like. Well, some theory, but at least somebody is clearly thinking about it.
©Samuel CocciusBasel, Switzerland, 1566 This is back to front, but it doesn't matter, it'll serve. This is actually a satellite. I forget its name (Geos II, or something like that), which was measuring dust particles out of the atmosphere above the Earth, well into space, and some twenty/thirty years ago. And it was one of the experiments that began to give us a little more insight into what was around out there. None of this we could see.
This satellite was fitted with dust fences and it went up to check if the zodiacal cloud was there, as we saw it. And the interesting thing was that the prediction, from what we observed, roughly turned out to be right. And it's that heap of particles of a certain size, up to about a hundred microns. We're looking at the larger particles on the right. And that sort of normal shape and histogram is, in fact, the expected zodiacal cloud particles which this satellite was meant to measure.
The surprise in the experiment was that there were a lot more dust particles, of smaller size, in fact occurring with time intervals between them which were very small. And the number of dust particles which you see there is actually comparable in size to the number in the zodiacal cloud. These dust particles could only be understood as being the fragmentation products of larger objects, the debris of which the satellite was passing through.
What we discovered, in fact, from this experiment was that meteoroids, the objects that produce fireballs, were also breaking up at a very high level above the Earth. And there were objects of masses like 102 through to a million grams. They would, if they could hold together, produce fireballs at a low level.
But, because they are so weakly constituted they break up at very high level and produce, really, micron/submicron dust that then floats down through the atmosphere, undetected. So the message I want to give you is that it's not all zodiacal dust that's making up the material that arrives in the atmosphere. It's actually breaking up from meteoroids.
Much of my talk this morning will relate to what I mentioned yesterday-a thing called the Taurid meteor stream, and, again, I want you to know that the Taurid meteoroid stream is not something that we, as it were, learned about fifty or sixty years ago from meteors and we've simply been checking that result ever since.
The remarkable thing about the space age is that it has actually revealed more and more things in the Taurid meteor stream which is actually built up from interpretations of all these modern observations that were simply not available at the time, for example, when Velikovsky was writing Worlds in Collision.
So, essentially, what I'm describing to you is a scientific story based upon the verhttp://www.sott.net/articles/show/148708-Cosmic-Winter-A-Lecture-by-Victor-Clube
 
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Vistas in Astronomy, Volume 39, Issue 4, Pages 673-698
Fri, 01 Dec 1995 13:42 EST

Abstract: Mankind's essentially untroubled state of mind in the presence of comets during the last two centuries has been fortified by the overall relative brevity of cometary apparitions and the calculated infrequency of cometary encounters with planets.
During the course of the Space Age, however, the fact of cometary splitting has also become increasingly secure and there is growing appreciation of the fact that mankind's state of mind can never be altogether relaxed. Indeed a watershed in the modern perception of cometary facts has evidently been reached with the most recent and devastating example of cometary splitting, that of the fragmen*tation of Comet P/Shoemaker-Levy 9 and its subsequent bombardment of planet Jupiter.
Thus there is a recognized tendency now amongst comets, especially those in short-period orbits, due to the occasionally excessive effects of solar irradia*tion, planetary tides and small body impacts, which gives rise to individual swarms of cometary debris, and it is the resulting repeated penetration of such dispersed swarms by our planet which apparently increases the danger to mankind from time to time.
The danger comprises global coolings, atmospheric pollution and super-Tunguska events, the cometary debris being responsible for both high-level dust insertions and low-level multimegaton explosions in the Earth's atmosphere along with a generally enhanced fireball flux. http://www.sott.net/
 
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It need not be something to be afraid of. And of course I’m willing to admit the whole Planet X scenario may be total crap – or even an event hundreds or thousands of years away (though I tend to think otherwise). But any responsible eso-researcher should at least discuss the issue, whether they believe it or not; there is plenty of strange evidence out there to support that, at the very least, including mysterious reports of the object in the Washington Post in 1983, secret Vatican space probes, not just global warming but the warming of our entire solar system, increased earthquakes and volcanic activity, warnings in ancient texts and even from Native Americans and certain ETs – just to name a few. Without mention of the otherwise shunned topic, I tend to be suspicious of their motives, which then seem, at least to my own personal sense of discernment, to be nothing more than eerie echoes of the dead silence from our world leaders and their cabals, comfortably ensconced in their underworld. Maybe somewhere in Paraguay, like GW. (On the other hand, let’s not forget what happened to Phil Schneider after he talked about his experience with ETs, underground bases and the gov’t.)
 
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Apparently, Planet X (a.k.a. Nibiru) was spotted by astronomers in the early 1980's in the outermost reaches of the Solar System. It has been tracked by infrared observatories; seen lurking around in the Kuiper Belt and now it is speeding right toward us and will enter the inner Solar System in 2012. So what does this mean to us? Well, the effects of the approach of Planet X on our planet will be biblical, and what's more the effects are being felt right now. Millions, even billions of people will die, global warming will increase; earthquakes, drought, famine, wars, social collapse, even killer solar flares will be caused by Nibiru blasting through the core of the Solar System. All of this will happen in 2012, and we must begin preparing for our demise right now…
As investigated in my previous article "No Doomsday in 2012", a lot of weight had been placed on the end of an ancient Mayan calendar, the "Long Count". According to this calendar and Mayan myth, something is going to happen on December 21st, 2012. Now the world's Planet X supporters seem to have calculated that this hypothetical, deadly planet will arrive from a highly eccentric orbit to wreak gravitational havoc on Earth, sparking geological, social, economic and environmental damage, killing a high proportion of life… in 2012.
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I'm sorry, but the "facts" behind the Planet X/Nibiru myth simply do not add up. Don't worry, Planet X will not be knocking on our door in 2012 and here's why…

Nibiru and Planet X

In 1843, John Couch Adams (a British mathematician and astronomer) studied the orbital perturbations of Uranus and deduced that through gravitational interactions, there must be an eighth planet, tugging at the gas giant. This led to the discovery of Neptune, orbiting at a distance of 30AU from the Sun. There have been numerous occasions where this method has been used to deduce the existence of other bodies in the Solar System before they were directly observed.
Neptune was also experiencing orbital perturbations, and on the discovery of Pluto in 1930, it was thought that the aptly named "Planet X" had been discovered. Alas, Pluto's mass was tiny, and once the orbit of Charon (Pluto's moon) was analysed it was found that the mass of the Pluto-Charon system was far too small to affect the orbit of Neptune. The hunt for Planet X continued…
After years of speculation and historic research, it was believed that a huge body astronomers were looking for was a huge planet or a small star, possibly a companion to our Sun (making the Solar System a binary system). The name "Nibiru" was unearthed by the author Zecharia Sitchin, on researching the possible intervention of extraterrestrials in the early history of mankind. Nibiru is a hypothetical planet as taught in ancient Sumerian culture (the Sumerians existed from around 6,000BC to 3,000BC, predating Babylon, in the current geographic location of Iraq). There is very little archaeological evidence to suggest this mythical planet has anything to do with Planet X. But since this dubious connection, Planet X and Nibiru are now thought by doomsayers to be the same thing, an ancient astronomical body that has returned after a long orbit beyond the Solar System.
OK, so the Nibiru/Planet X connection might be a bit ropey already, but is there any solid evidence for the modern-day Planet X?
Infrared observations = Planet X

There is much emphasis placed on the 1983 "discovery" of a mysterious heavenly body by NASA's Infrared Astronomical Satellite (IRAS) on the outskirts of the Solar system, some 50 billion miles (540 AU) away. Naturally the world's media will have been very excited by such a discovery and began making noises that perhaps this was Planet X (the most popular accessible resources for Planet X advocates is the Washington Post article published on December 31st 1983 titled "Mystery Heavenly Body Discovered"). In actuality, astronomers weren't sure what the infrared object was (the clue is in the word "mystery"). Initial media reports postulated that it could be a long-period comet, or a planet, or a far-off young galaxy or a protostar (i.e. a brown dwarf). As soon as the last possibility is mentioned, suddenly this became the "discovery" that Planet X was in fact a brown dwarf orbiting in the outer reaches of our Solar System.
"So mysterious is the object that astronomers do not know if it is a planet, a giant comet, a nearby "protostar" that never got hot enough to become a star, a distant galaxy so young that it is still in the process of forming its first stars or a galaxy so shrouded in dust that none of the light cast by its stars ever gets through." - Thomas O'Toole, Washington Post Staff Writer, December 30th 1983 (from text on the Planet X and Pole Shift website)
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So where did the Washington Post get its story? The story was published in response to the research printed a paper titled "Unidentified point sources in the IRAS minisurvey" (by Houck et al, published in Astrophysical Journal Letters, 278:L63, 1984). Dr. Gerry Neugebauer, co-investigator in the IRAS project, was interviewed and strongly stated that what IRAS had seen was not "incoming mail" (i.e. the results did not suggest there was an object approaching Earth). On reading this interesting research, I was especially drawn to the paper's conclusion:
"A number of candidate identifications have been considered including near-solar system, galactic, and extragalactic objects. Further observations at infrared and other wavelengths may provide additional information in support of one of these conjectures, or perhaps these objects will require entirely different interpretations." - Houck et al, Astrophysical Journal Letters, 278:L63, 1984.
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Although these IRAS observations were seeing mysterious objects, at this stage, there was no indication that there was an object (let alone a brown dwarf) powering its way toward us. But the rumours had already begun to flow. When follow-up papers were published in 1985 (Unidentified IRAS sources - Ultrahigh-luminosity galaxies, Houck et al., 1985) and 1987 (The IRAS View of the Extragalactic Sky, Soifer et al., 1987), there was little if any media interest in their findings. According to these publications, most of the IRAS observations in the 1984 paper were distant, ultra-luminous young galaxies and one was a filamentary structure known as "infrared cirrus" floating in intergalactic space. IRAS never observed any astronomical body in the outer reaches of the Solar System.
Orbital perturbations = Planet X

In addition to the 1983 "discovery" of the Planet X brown dwarf, the 1992 Planet X claim goes something like this: "Unexplained deviations in the orbits of Uranus and Neptune point to a large outer solar system body of 4 to 8 Earth masses, on a highly tilted orbit, beyond 7 billion miles from the sun," - text from an un-cited NASA source on the "Planet X Forecast and 2012 Survival Guide" video.
Pulling up the discovery of planets using orbital perturbation measurements, Planet X advocates point to a NASA announcement that in 1992, there were indirect measurements of a planet some 7 billion miles from Earth. Alas, I cannot find the original source for this claim. The only huge discovery NASA announced along these lines was the discovery of the first major trans-Neptunian object (TNO) called 1992 QB1 (full details of the discovery of this "cubewano-class" object can be found in the original announcement transcript). It has a diameter of 200km and is confined to the Kuiper Belt, a zone of minor planets (where Pluto lives) and asteroids from 30AU to 55AU, just outside Neptune's orbit. Some of these bodies (like Pluto) cross the path of Neptune's orbit and there therefore designated as a TNO. These TNO's pose no threat to the Earth (in as much as they wont be leaving the Kuiper Belt to pay us a visit in 2012).
Since then, any Neptune orbital perturbations have been put down to observational error and have since not been observed… so there doesn't appear to be any obvious object any bigger than the largest Kuiper Belt objects out there. Still, to keep an open mind, there could be more large bodies to be discovered (that might explain why there is such a steep drop-off of Kuiper Belt objects at the "Kuiper Cliff", the jury is out on that idea), but there is no evidence for a massive body approaching from the vicinity of the Kuiper Belt. Even the strange Pioneer anomaly that the Pioneer and Voyager probes are experiencing cannot be attributed to Planet X. This anomaly appears to be a Sun-ward acceleration, if there was a massive planet out there, there should be some gravitational effect beyond what has been predicted by the other known objects in the Solar System.
4-8 Earth masses = a brown dwarf? It must be Planet X.

Probably the most glaring inconsistency in the Planet X hypothesis is the Planet X advocates assertion that the 1984 IRAS object and the 1992 body are one of the same thing. As announced on many websites and online videos about Planet X, the 1984 IRAS observation saw Planet X at 50 billion miles from Earth. The 1992 NASA "announcement" put Planet X at a distance of about 7 billion miles from Earth. Therefore, the logic goes, Planet X had travelled 43 billion miles in the course of only eight years (from 1984 to 1992). After some dubious mathematics, Planet X is therefore expected to reach the core of the Solar System in 2012. (Although many believed it should arrive in 2003… they were obviously wrong about that prediction.)
Well, I think we might be clutching at straws here. For starters, for the 1984 object to be the same as the 1992 object, surely they should be the same mass? If Planet X was a brown dwarf (as we are led to believe in the IRAS observations), how can it possibly weigh in at only 4 to 8 Earth masses eight years later? Brown dwarfs have a <A href="http://www.universetoday.com/2008/04/15/coolest-darkest-brown-dwarf-star-discovered/">mass of around 15-80 Jupiter masses</A itxtvisited="1">. As Jupiter is about 318 Earth masses, surely the object hurtling toward us should have a mass of somewhere between 4,770 and 25,440 Earth masses? So I am going to go out on a limb here and say that I reckon the 1984 object and the 1992 object (if either object actually existed that is) are not the same thing. Not by a very long shot.
If there is no evidence supporting Planet X, it must be a conspiracy
If it can be this easy to cast the fundamental "scientific" theory behind Planet X into doubt, I see little point in discussing the historical reasons (mass extinctions, volcanic activity, earthquakes etc.) as to why the doomsayers believe Planet X should exist. If there is no renegade planet out there of significant mass, how can Nibiru be a threat to us in 2012?
They will have us believe there is a global conspiracy of international governments hiding the facts from us. NASA is involved in the cover-up, hence the lack of evidence. In my opinion, simply because there is no evidence, doesn't mean there is a conspiracy to hide the truth from the public. So why would governments want to hide a "discovery" as historic as a doomsday planet approaching the inner Solar System anyway? To avoid mass panic and pursue their own, greedy agendas (obviously).
As it turns out, this is the only strength behind the Planet X myth. When confronted with scientific facts, the Planet X advocates reply with "…governments are sending out disinformation and covering up the true observations of Nibiru." Although I enjoy a good conspiracy theory, I will not support anything in the name of Planet X. If the basic science behind what we are led to believe are the foundation of Planet X existing is wrong, it seems a poor argument to say "the government did it".
 
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[SIZE=+3]SPECULATIONS ON "PLANET X"
[/SIZE][SIZE=+2]By Raymond C. Vaughan, Hamburg, New York[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]KRONOS[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] Journal, Summer 1983, Volume VIII, Number 4
Copyright 1983, All Rights Reserved[/SIZE]

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[SIZE=+1]The idea that there is a tenth planet or other body beyond the orbit of Pluto is becoming popular among astronomers. At a conference held at NASA's Ames Research Center in June, 1982, a number of researchers discussed the growing evidence that something is out there: perhaps a planet, perhaps the remnant of a burned-out white dwarf or neutron star that was (is) a binary companion to the Sun, perhaps even a black hole.[1][/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]The evidence for such a body comes from the fact that the gravitational forces among the Sun and known planets cannot account fully for the observed orbital motions of the planets, particularly Uranus and Neptune, which show tiny unexplained deviations or perturbations from their predicted orbits. The same situation existed prior to the discovery of Pluto, and the belief that an unknown planet was causing the perturbations was in fact the motivation for the search that led to Pluto's discovery in 1930. Nowadays it is clear that Pluto was found for the wrong reasons; its mass is too low to produce the observed effects. Hence the new interest in finding a body out beyond Pluto.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Until more is known, it is easy to speculate about what could be out there. Astronomers at the NASA-Ames conference suggested a planet the size of Uranus at a distance of about 100 A.U. [1 A.U. = 93,000,000 miles, the distance from the Earth to the Sun] from the Sun, or a burned-out star at a distance of about 500 A.U., or a black hole (10 solar masses) at a distance of about 1000 A.U. Others have argued that the available evidence implies a body of 2 to 5 Earth masses, lying out of the plane of the ecliptic.[2][/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]From a Velikovskian perspective, there are also other possibilities. One is simply the idea that the perturbations could be minor effects of electrical or magnetic forces superimposed on the gravitational forces that are mainly responsible for the orbits. The source of such electrical or magnetic forces need not be a solid body but could be the sort of large-scale fields in space that Ralph Juergens envisioned.[3][/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Another rather speculative possibility is that an unknown body does exist beyond the orbit of Pluto, that is it on a highly elliptical orbit with its perihelion well inside the orbit of Pluto, and that it participated in at least one of the planetary interactions described by Velikovsky.[4] For example, the unknown body could have passed near the orbits of Jupiter and Saturn several thousand years ago and could have participated in the birth of Venus. Or it could have passed through the inner solar system in the fifteenth century B.C. and have been the cause or catalyst of some of the Venus-Earth interactions.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]To conjecture about the details of any such interactions seems fruitless without more information. However, there are some things that can be said about the range of possible orbits that would allow the unknown body to be: (1) close enough to engage the known planets in a Velikovskian interaction within the past several thousand years, (2) close enough to perturb the known planets at the present time, and (3) far enough away to remain unnoticed in the interim. Much depends on the mass of the unknown body but, since it left behind a reasonably intact planetary system, it must have been much smaller than the Sun.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Suppose we assume the unknown body to be no larger than Uranus and to be following an elliptical orbit that meets the above conditions. Its orbital period must be at least 3500 years, so its semimajor axis must be at least 230 A.U. If it is now close enough to perturb the outer planets, it cannot be more than about 100 A.U. from the Sun, which means that it cannot be moving away from the Sun. It must already have passed aphelion and be heading back toward the inner solar system. As can be seen from Table I [below], all of the applicable orbits have rather similar properties within 100 A.U. of the Sun, regardless of whether the orbital period is 3500 years or 14,000 years. If there is indeed an unknown body on such an orbit, it is heading toward the inner solar system at roughly 1 A.U./year and will reach perihelion in a century or less.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]The idea that the body now perturbing the outer planets has a highly elliptical orbit is of course pure speculation; it is generally consistent with but not necessarily a consequence of Velikovsky's theory. Within a few years, the nature of the unknown body may become much clearer; astronomers are optimistic that its effect on the trajectories of Pioneer 10 and Pioneer 11 will be measurable as the two space probes move out past Pluto's orbit and will indicate the mass and location of the unknown body, even if it cannot be located visually. In the meantime, one can wonder whether the overall effect of a body returning to wreak interplanetary havoc in the solar system would be entirely bad. It could kill us all, though reports of previous encounters imply that some of us survived. Could it also make us realize the foolishness of our petty squabbles, over which we threaten to kill ourselves?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Table I : Representative Elliptical Orbits[/SIZE]
Semimajor axis (A.U.)200200400600Eccentricity0.990.970.9850.99Perihelion (A.U.)2.06.06.06.0Orbital period (yr.)28282828800014697Time (yr.) to reach perihelion from 100 A.U.84898584Radial velocity (A.U./yr.) at 100 A.U.0.760.740.800.82True anomaly* at 100 A.U.165.9°155.4°153.4°152.8°Time (yr.) to reach perihelion from 40 A.U.21242323Radial velocity (A.U./yr.) at 40 A.U.1.301.221.261.27True anomaly* at 40 A.U.155.4°136.6°135.5°135.1°
[SIZE=+1]* True anomaly is a planet's heliocentric longitude from perihelion. For a planet moving inward from aphelion to perihelion, both the true anomaly and the radial velocity would be negative.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]References[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]1. "Something lurking beyond the planets", New Scientist 94, 829 (24 June 1982). See also "Mysterious Planet X", Science Digest (Nov. 1982), p. 42.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]2. "Search for the Tenth Planet", Science Digest (Dec. 1981), p. 17.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]3. R.E. Juergens, "Electric Discharge as the Source of Solar Radiant Energy" (KRONOS VIII:1, pp. 3-14, and KRONOS VIII:2, pp. 47-62), and other papers cited therein.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]4. Cf. R.S. Harrington and T.C. Van Flandern, "The Satellites of Neptune and the Origin of Pluto", KRONOS V:2, pp. 48-56, for discussion of a non-Velikovskian orbital interaction involving the outer planets.[/SIZE]
 
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[SIZE=+3]"What About Planet X?"[/SIZE]

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[SIZE=+1]NOTE[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] : The following information was obtained "second-hand" as a "cross-posting" from one Internet mailing list to another, and I cannot vouch for its authenticity. Regarding the date of 2012 for the return of the Planet X Nibiru, Zecharia Sitchin did not suggest such a date; and it might be added that Sitchin's dating itself is suspect. He proposed that Planet X Nibiru last returned in approximately 200 BCE, but this is clearly impossible because by the year 200 BCE most of the world, certainly the Greco-Roman World, were keeping quite accurate historical records, and nobody recorded an event so momentous as the return of Planet X Nibiru. As for the linking of the return of Planet Nibiru to the Mayan End-Time Date, please click here for more information. R. Solàrion, 28 December 2003[/SIZE]


[SIZE=+1]Let me tell you a first-hand story. I swear on a stack of clay tablets.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]A few years ago, I attended the SIGGRAPH computer-graphics show in New Orleans. There was a whiz-bang booth there hosted by JPL [Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California], and manned by some of their planetary scientists. I engaged one of these fellows in a friendly, in-depth discussion about the recent [1996] cometary impacts on Jupiter, and other topics. He was very nice, very friendly, very open in his attitude, with a helpful demeanor. Having a long-time interest in the topic of Nibiru, Marduk, or Planet X, I took advantage of a lull in the conversation, and asked:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]"What about Planet X?"[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]His entire demeanor changed. His head jerked around in surprise, and he became instantly sullen and unfriendly. He snapped:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]"What about it?" His voice was suddenly rude and guarded, completely the opposite of his attitude just moments earlier.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]I pretended not to notice his change, but said, "What does JPL think it is?"[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]His snide reply? "If we knew that, we wouldn't call it Planet X, now would we?" He turned and walked rudely away, refusing to even look at me again, and leaving no doubt that the conversation was terminated, and that the subject was taboo. His response also left no doubt as to the reality of the existence of *something* large and disturbing (at least to planetary scientists) lurking out around the Oort Cloud somewhere.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]I believe they know what Planet X is ... and that it's going to return, sooner or later, on a periodic swath of destruction or turbulence through the solar system. The official silence is probably due to a policy of containment. Such information could cause social and religious chaos and disintegration, or so the governmental types would think. Lesser secrets have been kept before, for similar reasons. As the scheduled return of Nibiru -- around 2012, according to Sitchin's translations, right?-- gets closer, it will be interesting to see the continuing policy on Planet X info. Obviously they know enough to find it worthy of extensive inside web-discussion:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+2]http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/ice_fire/v1bodesr.htm[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+2]http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/ice_fire/vol1-4.htm[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]A general method of dismissal for any undesirable theory is to stress that it is just a THEORY, until proven -- somehow this is used by "scientists" these days to dismiss something as a non-fact (a very non-scientific attitude). Yet most of their carefully-compiled "knowledge" either exists as theory, or originated with theory. Circumstantial evidence would indicate that a large, dark planetary body does exist; evidence both from Sumerian astronomical data and creation accounts, as well as "Bode's Rule" regarding the natural formation of planetary bodies in the Sol system.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]I guess we'll find out sooner or later.[/SIZE]
 
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[SIZE=+4]The Hyperborea Sky Diagrams[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+2]By Robertino Solàrion[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+2]Copyright 2000-2003, All Rights Reserved[/SIZE]

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[SIZE=+2]The following diagrams should be considered in light of all the accompanying text regarding Hyperborea. Only a minimal description of each diagram has been provided here; however, they will certainly be useful in your ability to understand this overall Celestial Phenomenon of CROSSOVER.[/SIZE]

















 
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CDNBear said:
Wow, that was witty!!! What's next from the hair brain that denies the existence of airtight wood burning stoves?

C'mon, call me fatty, or something more your age bracket...

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your frigging air tight stove was feed air so it could have a flame, fool.!!!like i said you cant have a flame with out air your brain must have be starved of this at birth so you should know all about it.
 
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