Thank you! You have great sense of humor than! New FAn
You're quite welcome and welcome to the forum.
Seriously though... are you really that confused as why Serbia didn't get a higher ranking as the best nations to live?
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You're quite welcome and welcome to the forum.
Seriously though... are you really that confused as why Serbia didn't get a higher ranking as the best nations to live?
We seem to attract them like groupies at a Grateful Dead concert.
With everything the insinuation of a Grateful Dead groupie would imply.
Thank you. Yes sir, I'm really confused why Serbia is not on the list!
EVen if Serbia, Montenegro and MAcedonia are the biggest dumps, you really think that ALbania, Croatia, Bulgaria, ROmania, or even worse Ghana,Ethiopia, Botswana, Tanzania..should be ranked ahead!?
I could be wrong...but this is just a hunch.
Serbians spent a good deal of the 90's embroiled in a civil war, ethnic cleansing, getting bombed cross eyed, massacring folks that weren't exactly Serbian.
These things are just tough to bounce back from IMO.
Then you have that whole testicle festival thing.
Oh and this...
Balkans.com Business News : Serbia's standard of living may improve by year?s end
I get you point, but this view is still very stereotypical, I'm sorry to say.
It is true that x-yu economy was devastated, but also rebounded big time.
Serbina economy was the biggest growing in the region. Actually quality of life is not only reflected by GDP, and it is sad to judge one country by 2o year old media reports.
Even after war, Serbia is maybe not Austria, but for sure ahead of many countries listed. I can submit load of info on that!
The HDI index has its critics alright, it sets the standards each year as to the basis for measurement: GDP one year, health & welfare the next, etc. and most news media only carry the top 25 to 35 countries in the list. The Human Development Report site Human Development Reports (HDR) ? United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) has far more details & individualized reports than are carried in the media. They also make a point of noting that all countries are invited to be included but that quite a few either will not or cannot provide the necessary statistics & so do not show up in the index. The Vatican City (SURPRISE!! ;-)), Monaco & Zimbabwe being amongst some of the notable countries that could but won't supply stats.
One of the many, IMO valid, criticisms is: "The following are common criticisms directed at the HDI: that it is a redundant measure that adds little to the value of the individual measures composing it; that it is a means to provide legitimacy to arbitrary weightings of a few aspects of social development; that it is a number producing a relative ranking which is useless for inter-temporal comparisons, and difficult to compare a country's progress or regression since the HDI for a country in a given year depends on the levels of, say, life expectancy or GDP per capita of other countries in that year. However, each year, UN member states are listed and ranked according to the computed HDI. If high, the rank in the list can be easily used as a means of national aggrandizement; alternatively, if low, it can be used to highlight national insufficiencies. Using the HDI as an absolute index of social welfare, some authors have used panel HDI data to measure the impact of economic policies on quality of life. Ratan Lal Basu criticises the HDI concept from a completely different angle. According to him the Amartya Sen-Mahbub ul Haq concept of HDI considers that provision of material amenities alone would bring about Human Development, but Basu opines that Human Development in the true sense should embrace both material and moral development. According to him human development based on HDI alone, is similar to dairy farm economics to improve dairy farm output. To quote: ‘So human development effort should not end up in amelioration of material deprivations alone: it must undertake to bring about spiritual and moral development to assist the biped to become truly human. For example, a high suicide rate would bring the index down."
You will find the list of European countries by Human Development Index at
List of sovereign states in Europe by Human Development Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
where it lists Serbia. However it shows few details, but there is a list of URLs below at the same page for finding European countries GDP, etc. Serbia, BTW, in just taking a cursory look seems to be at the median level, not at all bad considering Monaco's in that one. :lol:
The Actual Report, "Human Development Report 2009: Overcoming barriers: Human mobility and development",
Reports | Global reports | HDR 2009 | Human Development Reports (HDR) | United Nations Development Programme (UNDP)
has it fully available in seven languages, complete with PDF components for download, videos, press kits, figures & graphs as well as links to all the reports issued by them from 1990 on. That appears to be, IMO, the place to start.
Hope that's useful.
I'm 37. Thank you Bar sinister and B cool.
Yes, I have just seen that list where Serbia is ranked 67.
I strongly believe it is some kind of an overlook, and not something that EagleSmack listed as possible reason.
Even after civil war that ended in 95(99 kosovo) Serbia had strong growth in the last 15 years, and specially in the last 5. Only last and this year was bad for everyone.
As much as some people see Serbia in bad light and, as EagleSmack stated,and Serbia is some crazy muddy Borat land(even tough Kazakhstan is in Asia) there would still be states on the list that are worst.
As it for now, most Asian, African and S. American countries ranked between 100 and 150 gdp and hdi are listed as top 100 to live in.
Just some other funny facts about Serbia, apart from the genocide.
Serbia is top 15, and very often top 10 and top 5 in most major sports(tennis, soccer, basketball, valleyball, handball, water polo...) (except hokey haha).
At least 17 ROman Emperors where born in what is today Serbia, including COnstantin who adopted Christianity.
Belgrade is one of the oldest Capitals in Europe, and has one of the best nightlifes in the world. Girls are hottesttop ever!
So if you are scared to come and live in Serbia, come and visit, have fun, have some Kangaroo balls...and than go live in Vietnam, CUba, Ethiopia, or Albania since they are ranked higher! :canada:
Yes, I have just seen that list where Serbia is ranked 67.
I strongly believe it is some kind of an overlook, and not something that EagleSmack listed as possible reason.
Even after civil war that ended in 95(99 kosovo) Serbia had strong growth in the last 15 years, and specially in the last 5. Only last and this year was bad for everyone.
As much as some people see Serbia in bad light and, as EagleSmack stated,and Serbia is some crazy muddy Borat land(even tough Kazakhstan is in Asia) there would still be states on the list that are worst.
As it for now, most Asian, African and S. American countries ranked between 100 and 150 gdp and hdi are listed as top 100 to live in.
Just some other funny facts about Serbia, apart from the genocide.
Serbia is top 15, and very often top 10 and top 5 in most major sports(tennis, soccer, basketball, valleyball, handball, water polo...) (except hokey haha).
At least 17 ROman Emperors where born in what is today Serbia, including COnstantin who adopted Christianity.
Belgrade is one of the oldest Capitals in Europe, and has one of the best nightlifes in the world. Girls are hottesttop ever!
So if you are scared to come and live in Serbia, come and visit, have fun, have some Kangaroo balls...and than go live in Vietnam, CUba, Ethiopia, or Albania since they are ranked higher!
:canada:No sarcasm here, not my stile. Also not angry at all.:book:.
Honesty, just trying to be funny.:joker: Internet is weird, you can read it and interpret it the way you want. I guess that's why we have smiles.:toothy1:
BTW, how do you know how kangaroo balls smell? So you where in Serbia before, right?
Honesty, just trying to be funny.:joker: Internet is weird, you can read it and interpret it the way you want. I guess that's why we have smiles.:toothy1:
BTW, how do you know how kangaroo balls smell? So you where in Serbia before, right?
Just some other funny facts about Serbia, apart from the genocide. Serbia is top 15, and very often top 10 and top 5 in most major sports(tennis, soccer, basketball, valleyball, handball, water polo...) (except hokey haha).
At least 17 ROman Emperors where born in what is today Serbia, including COnstantin who adopted Christianity.
Belgrade is one of the oldest Capitals in Europe, and has one of the best nightlifes in the world. Girls are hottesttop ever!
So if you are scared to come and live in Serbia, come and visit, have fun, have some Kangaroo balls...and than go live in Vietnam, CUba, Ethiopia, or Albania since they are ranked higher!
Sexism isn't going to go down too well here with the majority, I suspect: "Girls are hottesttop ever!" :angry2:
You started this by selectively quoting history based on the Serbian Orthodox Church and the Serbian Empire which only existed from 1346 to 1371. If, as you claim to be, you are 37 then you must surely know that you're posting in a forum that is peopled with those who are not only not "scared" of Serbia, but went there, albeit not for 'kangaroo balls':
Kosovo War 1998 - June 11, 1999
NATO forces:
United States
United Kingdom
Germany
France
Italy
Canada
Spain
Denmark
Turkey
Netherlands
Belgium
and other NATO air, maritime and land forces.
I'm afraid my admiration for the historic achievements of the area in which you live are sadly overshadowed by the unforgettable sights and sounds of the ethnic cleansing incited by Slobodan Milošević and his use of, apparently very effectively & popularly with Serbians at the time, of the "Kosovo Curse":
Inscription of the curse on the Gazimestan monument
"Whoever is a Serb and of Serb birth,
And of Serb blood and heritage,
And comes not to the Battle of Kosovo,
May he never have the progeny his heart desires,
Neither son nor daughter!
May nothing grow that his hand sows,
Neither dark wine nor white wheat!
And let him be cursed from all ages to all ages!"
– Tsar Lazar curses those who are not taking up arms against the Ottoman Turks at the Battle of Kosovo, 1389.
And of course your using Albania, which is a predominantly Moslem country & its '48 to the period of Glasnost switching of allegiances between Yugoslavia & the Cominform just may have something to do with your use of a very sensitive choice of country is noted. BTW, keep informed :study: : Albania's HDI rating for 2007 was 70th - the fact that they're improving on that appears to rankle. Hmmm.....
I am not impressed with your 'humour' - making allowances for differences in culture & very recent events aside. You are either unaware of or ignoring the sensitivities invoked by your complaint about Serbia being 'unfairly' indexed.
Check out James Blunt's own video of his first posting to Kosovo in '99 to see what I saw & how I felt, it's not blocked to you as it is to Canadians! James Blunt - No Bravery - Kosovo.flv
In April 1993 the United Nations had declared the besieged enclave of Srebrenica in the Drina Valley of north-eastern Bosnia a "safe area" under UN protection: UNPROFOR (United Nations Protection Force). They sent 400 peacekeepers!!
Those 400 Dutch peacekeepers that UNPROFOR sent are still suffering the anguish, PTSD and pain of trying to achieve the impossible and the horrors they had to witness - the 400 less those who have taken their own lives because they can't bear to live with it.
Gallipoli mentality has been & always will be forefront in any war IMO.
In 2005, in a message to the tenth anniversary commemoration of the genocide, the Secretary-General of the United Nations described Srebrenica as the worst crime on European soil since the Second World War, and while noting that great nations had failed to respond and that blame lay first and foremost with those who planned and carried out the massacre and those who assisted and harboured them, acknowledged that the UN itself had made serious errors of judgement and the tragedy of Srebrenica would haunt the UN's history forever.
Hauntings appear to be soon ignored in the UN. :-(