New Governors General Crest

Polarbear on the GG Crest instead of a Lion?

  • Yes, replace the Lion with a Polarbear

    Votes: 2 33.3%
  • No, keep it as it is

    Votes: 1 16.7%
  • Maybe, but I might have a better idea

    Votes: 1 16.7%
  • The GGs office should be scrapped so Haper can become Führer

    Votes: 2 33.3%

  • Total voters
    6

Bcool

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You know the story... you're sitting at your desk, you pause to take a sip of coffee, your mind wanders into wondering why Saskatchewan agronomists haven't made a strain of coffee that will grow at this latitude in order to put some breaks on all the capital outflow happening from Canada's addicted to Tim Hortons, and you find yourself gazing at the Governor General's Crest, noticing once again how anachronistically irrelevant it is in the context of a temperate, New World nation.

I like it! :lol: But...

So you think, check your schedule, crack some software, and make a new GG Crest.

CURRENT


NEW

I know it needs some work by a professional design artists, but what's the feedback?
Were there some graphics in your post? If so, they didn't show up for me. Que?
 

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I like it! :lol: But...

Were there some graphics in your post? If so, they didn't show up for me. Que?
Yes, there were two graphics, and they were encapsulated with the IMG tag pair, however, if you want to view it as a simple file from a browser, go to http://www.digitalock.com/images

There are three files in there: One the current GG Crest and the other two different sizing's for a thought I had for a new one.

The message is supposed to be that, yes, it's still the vice-regent holding the local legal position of the Crown, so it's still wearing a crown, and it's still holding the Maple-Leaf Mace, so it will clobber with Canadian Law, and it's still a top-of-the-food-chain beast of supreme strength and power, like the Lion, representing the strength of the Crown ... but it's *our* top-of-the-food-chain supreme beast holding the office of vice-regent, and it makes more sense in terms of the concept of the vice-regent.

The Crown is a lion, but it's not here, so it left a governor to do all the Crown duties, chosen from among the supreme beasts of that land with power equivalent to a lion, which is the polar bear (crumb... if they go for a change of the Crest, someone can make a kid's "Canadian Patriotism" picture-story-book about the change).

Crumb, given Harper's urge to stress Canadian presence in the north, he might even go for it.

Hmm...
 
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Well that was weird... They showed up in my post when it got posted on the forum! And I did a preview of my post & double checked for attachments or URLs in your OP. Hmmmm.....
 
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If it's reared on its hind legs facing the observer, with its right paw extended holding the maple-mace, I think that' would work, right?

Yes, although maybe not fully extended, sort of holding it out to show it has it - not offering it? Does that make sense? "See... this gives me authority, I'm holding it out so you can look but don't try and take it from me!"

What would you imagine for something to denote the connection to the Crown? A crown? And orb? Something else?
First thing that came to mind: The Arms of Canada. On February 15, 2008, the Governor General authorized the House of Commons to begin using a badge of the shield of Her Majesty's Royal Arms in right of Canada superimposed on the Ceremonial mace assigned to the House of Commons (the mace is also as a symbol of Royal authority). Following the Commons example, the Senate then requested and obtained on April 15, 2008 a similar badge for itself with the shield of Her Majesty's Royal Arms surmounted on the mace assigned to the Senate.

The bear could be standing holding the Arms in front of him with the left paw and still have the Maple Mace as you suggested in his right paw?



If you go to Arms of Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia you'll get the full info on the various versions, what everything stands for, etc. It's interesting, I was kind of surprised to see what used to be called The Union Jack (the flag the lion is holding) but its now called The Union. I'm no big fan of the monarchy but not anti either, I do like having a GG so I'm kinda wishy washy. Well, the Welsh are never fans of the monarchy, too many of 'em used us for target practise over the centuries, and especially after they made up the faux role of Prince of Wales. Anyhoo...

Anyway, that's what I came up with. Just IMO though, feel free to toss it, no worries. :bunny:
 

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Yes, although maybe not fully extended, sort of holding it out to show it has it - not offering it? Does that make sense? "See... this gives me authority, I'm holding it out so you can look but don't try and take it from me!"
Yeah, I can see that, sort of holding it forward and to the side. The maple-mace represents the clout of Canadian Law, so it's sort-of like it's being held for power, but also being offered.
First thing that came to mind: The Arms of Canada. On February 15, 2008, the Governor General authorized the House of Commons to begin using a badge of the shield of Her Majesty's Royal Arms in right of Canada superimposed on the Ceremonial mace assigned to the House of Commons (the mace is also as a symbol of Royal authority). Following the Commons example, the Senate then requested and obtained on April 15, 2008 a similar badge for itself with the shield of Her Majesty's Royal Arms surmounted on the mace assigned to the Senate.

The bear could be standing holding the Arms in front of him with the left paw and still have the Maple Mace as you suggested in his right paw?



If you go to Arms of Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia you'll get the full info on the various versions, what everything stands for, etc. It's interesting, I was kind of surprised to see what used to be called The Union Jack (the flag the lion is holding) but its now called The Union. I'm no big fan of the monarchy but not anti either, I do like having a GG so I'm kinda wishy washy. Well, the Welsh are never fans of the monarchy, too many of 'em used us for target practise over the centuries, and especially after they made up the faux role of Prince of Wales. Anyhoo...

Anyway, that's what I came up with. Just IMO though, feel free to toss it, no worries. :bunny:
Okay, I see what you're thinking. That's interesting. I'm going to ponder that, but it's Sunday, and I'm off to do my Sunday things.

Just so you know... to me, I look at the position of the monarch as an "office" with a "function" that has evolved over time... but I don't get into Royalty adulation.

The point is, in the beginning, the monarch had supreme authority, but starting with the Magna Carta, a long and slow process happened where gradually a house of commons evolved as a balance, and after the British civil war, a check against the power of the crown.

Since then, power has shifted over so much to the parliament side that in terms of what a Prime Minister can do, he has *way* more executive power than an American President. The *only* check on the power of the PM is the little bit of critical power still in the hands of the crown, which in Canada means in the hands of the GG, which means... she's the *only* power in government left representing *any* sort of check we've got against the tyranny we could find ourselves subject to if the Conservatives were to ever get a majority.

That's what got me thinking about the GG, and is what caused me to find myself looking at her Crest, thinking, "That could be better"... and that's what led to this little excercise.

Plus, basically everyone in Quebec hates the whole idea of the Crown, partly because they have a historical grudge, and partly because most of them don't really understand what the power of the office implies, so I thought if we could shed a British symbol off the GGs Crest - the Lion - and replace it with something northern north American, which Quebequois identify themselves as being very much... they get polar-bears in Quebec, then they might relax enough to actually look at what the office is really about.
 

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Plus, basically everyone in Quebec hates the whole idea of the Crown, largely because most of them don't really understand the history and what the power of the office really implies, so I thought if we could shed a British symbol off the GGs Crest - the Lion - and replace it with something northern north American, which Quebequois identify themselves as being very much... they get polar-bears in Quebec, then they might relax enough to actually look at what the office is really about.
This is some more of those off the cuff humourous comments right?



Ya, replacing the lion with polar bears, will remove the British from the British Office of GG, because Quebecois are so stupid that it's just the symbol of the British lion they take issue with. Ya, I get the big joke in that. Of course the fact that you think that, would be the punchline. Right?
 
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Everybody this.... Everybody that.... Do you know everybody perchance?
Lemme rephrase that... every French Canadian I've dealt with hates the Crown, hates the idea of a Constitutional Monarchy, hates hates hates, and all of them to a man said they want a republic.

Then they would get into griping about how some of their symbols got co-opted by the rest of Canada... in particular the beaver and the maple leaf... so I just thought it might be interesting to see if there was a way to give them a symbol back, and at the same time get them to relax a bit about how the parliamentary system we're using came from England.

That's all.
 
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Lemme rephrase that... every French Canadian I've dealt with hates the Crown, hates the idea of a Constitutional Monarchy, hates hates hates, and all of them to a man said they want a republic.

Then they would get into griping about how some of their symbols got co-opted by the rest of Canada... in particular the beaver and the maple leaf... so I just thought it might be interesting to see if there was a way to give them a symbol back, and at the same time get them to relax a bit about how the parliamentary system we're using came from England.

That's all.
And you think by removing the lion, and replacing it with a polar bear will con them into getting on board?

You don't think highly of the collective Quebec intellect do you?
 
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And you think by removing the lion, and replacing it with a polar bear will con them into getting on board?

You don't think highly of the collective Quebec intellect do you?
It would be one small step, and I know a thing or two about how they feel about their symbolism.
 
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If it's reared on its hind legs facing the observer, with its right paw extended holding the maple-mace, I think that' would work, right?

Yes, although maybe not fully extended, sort of holding it out to show it has it - not offering it? Does that make sense? "See... this gives me authority, I'm holding it out so you can look but don't try and take it from me!"
Okee dokee Bcool, how's this. Remember it's just a rough-draft, work-in-progress, and I know that ultimately it's going to take work by a real artist, but is this heading in the right direction?