Need we arm Canada?

AnnaG

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What? You sound like you don't think so.8O
No, I don't. The majority of cops that use tasers do not overuse them.

How many cops get to use deadly force in any given year?
All of them if they need to.
Not very many I expect, but a percentage of them will use more force than necessary just because they can.
Not many use deadly force, though. And not many do go overboard with the use of force.

And what are they going to do against the off duty cops that vandalized Toronto and other protest rallies? Do you think you could write a law to stop that?
The law is applicable to everyone, even off-duty cops. The trouble is that too many people with not enough dedication to their principles give too many people like off-duty cops too much leeway. That's favoritism.

We are the only arm in space ;)
Who's going to arm wrestle us eh? :|
lol.

I think so. I can't relate to most humans. What they think is important and sacred is foreign to me. I think I was either abandoned here by mistake or I have been sentenced to this insane asylum for something I did on my home world. I get the impression that the Earth is either a prison planet or an insane asylum for the Universe.
Both sometimes. lol
 

Bar Sinister

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Who's doing the exaggerating, even Mexico doesn't have hundreds of armed citizens shooting it out. (BTW, private ownership of firearms is more restricted in mexico than in Canada, so it really works there, eh?). I don't need to exaggerate the gang battles here either, I live on a quiet upscale street in the burbs of Halifax, the same street as one of our most notorious drug dealing families, who have since moved out, (thankfully). Many of my neighbours are armed, including an 85 year old lady I know quite well who dubbed them "the gang who can't shoot straight", (I call them the "Sopranos lite"),but she can and has the trophies to prove it, No, shoot outs in our fair city are not a daily occuarance, monthly maybe, but on our street, we are prepared to shoot back, and we are law abiding citizens.

What doesn't work is US "gun control" which is where most illegal guns in Mexico and Canada are obtained. If the US kept better track of its firearms sales there would be considerably fewer illegal firearms in Mexico and Canada.
 

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What doesn't work is US "gun control" which is where most illegal guns in Mexico and Canada are obtained. If the US kept better track of its firearms sales there would be considerably fewer illegal firearms in Mexico and Canada.

I watch the Mexican shooting sprees on the news....the weapons I see most are Kalishnikovs....which have never been manufactured in the USA.

Try again.

I find it completely....well, let me be polite....disingenuous that people actually believe that criminals in the drug cartels can be denied weapons. THINK about it........these guys are endowed with practically unlimited funds, as the foundation of their business, they smuggle highly illegal items across borders.....:roll:....weapons come from many many places....to blame Mexican (or Canadian) drug-related gun violence on the USA is simply nonsense.

AKs are available for $10 in Africa.
 

ironsides

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What doesn't work is US "gun control" which is where most illegal guns in Mexico and Canada are obtained. If the US kept better track of its firearms sales there would be considerably fewer illegal firearms in Mexico and Canada.

You guys still don't understand it, gun control works just fine is the U.S. as elsewhere. If I wanted to buy a case of rifles, pistols (unregistered) whatever in Toronto say, I am pretty sure with money I could get what ever I want. That holds for just about any country in the world, it is just about money and what risk you are willing to take.


What may fail to understand is that most of us will either turn in or register our weapons (law biding citizen) if the goverment so ordered. Bad guys will still have theirs though. The Russians manage to get their surplus stuff thru any customs in the world.
 

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Martial Arts compulsary? So if it were, and if we all had martial arts, where would be that advantage? Some of us would be up against someone who is better at it. But I think that a few self defence lessons wouldn't hurt. Along with personal security awareness which is even more important. And as to vigilanties, that is for the police to handle.
 

Bar Sinister

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What sales? Criminals steal firearms from military bases, steal them from regular people, make their own, etc.

I guess I am talking about the sales mentioned in the following RCMP report which names the US as the main source for illegal guns entering Canada. Apparently the situation regarding gun smuggling to Mexico from the US is even worse.

Current Trends in Firearms Trafficking and Smuggling in Canada

Most of the guns coming into Canada come through what is called the Iron Pipeline or Steel Highway which involves buying firearms in states that have almost no gun control and shipping them to states that do, or in Canada's case to countries that do.

I could find very little about gun thefts from Canadian military bases and suspect there is not much to that. As for homemade guns I haven't heard anything about that at all. Can you find a source?
 

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I guess I am talking about the sales mentioned in the following RCMP report which names the US as the main source for illegal guns entering Canada. Apparently the situation regarding gun smuggling to Mexico from the US is even worse.

Current Trends in Firearms Trafficking and Smuggling in Canada

Most of the guns coming into Canada come through what is called the Iron Pipeline or Steel Highway which involves buying firearms in states that have almost no gun control and shipping them to states that do, or in Canada's case to countries that do.

I could find very little about gun thefts from Canadian military bases and suspect there is not much to that. As for homemade guns I haven't heard anything about that at all. Can you find a source?

Oh, I have no doubt most of the street guns in Canada come from the USA. What is silly is the idea that if the USA had tough gun laws, that the tiny number of weapons required for criminal use would not be smuggled in from elsewhere.

The criminal element has no problem getting firearms anywhere in the world. Firearms are produced everywhere in the world. To just list some of the best handguns out there: Glocks come from Austria, Berettas from Italy (the oldest company on earth!), Heckler & Koch come from Germany, Brownings from Belgium, SIGS from Germany, and Para-Ordnance come from.....Ontario, Canada. And China makes clones of all the above. Simple guns can be made in your basement, SMGs in a machine shop, we are talking about 19th century technology here.......and the world is absolutely swimming in surplus military weapons, especially ones from the old Soviet bloc.

And the very idea that the lawless who are involved in drug smuggling and sales will not have guns is simply ludicrous.......they are swimming in case, and they smuggle tons of product from country to country........and weapons are considerably easier to smuggle than drugs.

And finally, the Americans have a clear constitutional right to keep and bear arms, now defined as such by the Supreme Court. We have a right as well, although not nearly as well defined.......the only legitimate way to curtail the American gun market is to amend the constitution, and one of the Ten Amendments at that. Good luck to anyone that takes on that task!

Personally, I prefer a society where the good guys are armed as well as the bad guys.
 

AnnaG

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I guess I am talking about the sales mentioned in the following RCMP report which names the US as the main source for illegal guns entering Canada. Apparently the situation regarding gun smuggling to Mexico from the US is even worse.

Current Trends in Firearms Trafficking and Smuggling in Canada

Most of the guns coming into Canada come through what is called the Iron Pipeline or Steel Highway which involves buying firearms in states that have almost no gun control and shipping them to states that do, or in Canada's case to countries that do.

I could find very little about gun thefts from Canadian military bases and suspect there is not much to that. As for homemade guns I haven't heard anything about that at all. Can you find a source?
It just depends upon what the easiest way that crooks think there is of getting them. And I didn't say anything about any specific country's military bases.

Off-duty officer's gun stolen from car | wavy.com

Stolen Army weapons used by London drug gang - This Britain, UK - The Independent

Lloyd R. Woodson Busted with Weapons Cache, Map of Military Base, Headdress, Say NJ Cops - Crimesider - CBS News

12 ‘Jack Bauer’ pistols stolen from army base | The Sun |News|Campaigns|Our Boys

MoD has 'lost' 165 pistols, rifles and machine guns... and 27,000 rounds of ammunition | Mail Online

Why would someone raid a Canadian base when they could get ones stolen from American military bases for cheap?
If I wanted a sidearm and didn't already have one, there'd be little stopping me from getting one in OK and sneaking it into Canuckville. It's easier than raiding a CFB for one. Although, I suppose thiefing one from a soldier wouldn't be that hard.

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Actually as far as that goes, we know someone who built a gun out of parts ordered from various places in the US and Canada. There was nothing at all home made about it. It was just assembled at home.
 
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