NDP: Green House Plan

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NDP leader Jack Layton tabled a private member's bill Tuesday that he says will allow Canadians to see action on climate change within their lifetime.
If the NDP bill passes, it would call for the rapid regulation of greenhouse gas emissions in Canada.
“The Prime Minister's Clean Air Act is dead in the water,” Mr. Layton said at a press conference in Ottawa Tuesday. “With it, pollution will go up, not down.”
The Conservative's environmental plan has been widely panned by the opposition parties and environmental groups alike for not going far enough, and would not likely win the support of the House of Commons in its current state. The Tories' climate change bill replaces Canada's commitment under the international Kyoto Protocol to start reducing greenhouse gases by 2008 with a new target to cut such emissions by half of 2003 levels by 2050.
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NDP Leader Jack Layton says the Conservative government’s much-anticipated Green Plan is dead in the water and without it Canada is facing the century’s biggest environmental crisis without a plan. Layton made the comments during a news conference in Ottawa, Tuesday (CP)

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The NDP's so-called Climate Change Accountability Act introduced Tuesday sets interim and long-term greenhouse gas emissions targets, and instructs the government to pursue these objectives in its international negotiations. It also calls on the Environment Commissioner to report regularly the House on the government's progress in meeting these targets.
In the short term, the NDP bill would require the government set short-term targets within the next six months, implement them within and year, and then update those targets every five years. After that, the act also legislates a target of cutting greenhouse gas emissions by 25-per-cent reduction by 2020, and, over the longer term, it calls for an 80-per-cent reduction of greenhouse gas emissions below 1990 levels by 2050.
The NDP's bill comes on the heels of a British report released Monday that warned climate change threatens to devastate the world economy on the scale of the world wars and the Great Depression. Mr. Layton said the British report should act as a “wake up call” for the Conservative government, and that the legislation he introduced Tuesday would provide a guideline for action.
“With this bill, Canadians will see action on climate change in their lifetime. Canadians will no longer have to hold their breath waiting for the politicians to take action,” Mr. Layton said.
Both the Liberals and the Bloc Québécois joined the chorus in criticizing the government on its environmental plan during Question Period Tuesday.
The Prime Minister, however, reiterated his confidence in the Clean Air Act.
“The reality is that we will have targets for greenhouse gases and for pollution next year. We will have targets for both. We will have greenhouse gas reductions for Canada and national mandatory targets,” Mr. Harper said Tuesday.
Mr. Layton is scheduled to meet with Mr. Harper Tuesday afternoon to discuss the issue. The two will to try to find common ground over the Conservative government's controversial environmental legislation.
The move is reminiscent of one taken by the NDP in the last Parliamentary session, when they propped up the then-Liberal minority government after negotiating $4.6-billion worth of social spending into the federal budget. The NDP then campaigned on their ability to negotiate those concessions.
The Tories and the NDP combined, have more votes in the House than the Liberals and the Bloc Quebecois, 153 to 151 respectively. But, a Tory-NDP alliance would also have to win the support of one of the two independent MPs sitting in the House in order pass any legislation.
“For 13 years and nine months, the Liberals and Conservatives have been bickering and dithering while the air that everyday Canadians breathe simply became dirtier and dirtier. This is just plain unacceptable,” Mr. Layton said.
“That's why I made an offer yesterday to the Prime Minister to sit down together and come up with a plan to tackle climate change that could actually pass this House.”

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I just can't understand why we aren't acting now. The body of evidence has tipped the scales, just as our lust for hydrocarbons has. The Harper Governments plan is so out of touch, it pushes us back from the frontlines and lumps us in with the US and Australia. With current technology our greenhouse gases could be actually reduced to the levels of the late 90s. The big myth out there is that this would cripple our economy. Yes it will cost money, but once it is up and running, we would have a new sector in our economy that generates large volumes of cash. Also, how damaged would our economy be when we have no drinking water, when the praries dry up and can no longer provide us with wheat, when our forrestry industry is crippled by invasive species that now survive warmer winters?

An unknown consequence seems to be creeping on us that seems counter intuitive to the global warming trend. What happens when the warming of the Earth melts the polar ice, and effectively kills the thermohaline convection which drives global ocean currents? There are many who believe this would infact cause a rapid progression into an ice age. The ocean levels are warming and rising quickly. Residents of Tuvalu, a tiny Pacific island nation are allready relocating their citizens.

Do we wait for some global catastrophe before we make changes? I think it will be too late if we wait until 2050. By then the carbon dioxide levels will be well over 400 ppm in our atmosphere, the highest on record.
 

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Please, please, please, can someone explain to me how, under Kyoto, buying credits is going to help reduce our emissions?? PLLLEEEEAAAZZEE!!
 

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Please, please, please, can someone explain to me how, under Kyoto, buying credits is going to help reduce our emissions?? PLLLEEEEAAAZZEE!!
I won't and no one can, the whole Protocol was developed to assist big business exploit third world countries and funnel monies into the coffers of the puppet state western friendly Nations that line up and grab their anckles, via credit purchases by the west.

Nothing new, just more sneeky manuvering, wrapped up pretty and green so the tree huggers and easily swayed will fall in line.

In the immortal words of the blind masses...

Baaaa,aaaa,aaaa!!!!
 
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I'm not sure what the intended purpose is, but I can twist it a bit to make some kinda sense, though I'll sound like an idealist. If companies like that garbage burning endeavor in Sweden that Bear posted in another thread are below the emission target, they can sell credits up to that amount? I guess that money could be used to further their R&D and maybe the credit buying could include stipulations like technology sharing? I've also heard of credits being mentioned as a way to curb deforestation in the Amazon. Either way, from what I've heard it's a slippery slope.
 

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That's what I figured. In otherwords, the whole idea is crap which means that Kyoto is crap. Jean Cretin must have laughed like hell when he signed that puppy! :wave:
 

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That's what I figured. In otherwords, the whole idea is crap which means that Kyoto is crap. Jean Cretin must have laughed like hell when he signed that puppy! :wave:
Right up to the point where he wet himself.

He was so desperate to leave Canada a Cretien legacy, that he for got to leave one that was actualy worth something.

My proof is...


What did the liberals do to bring us closer to meeting the objectives?

"0"

Well, not unless you consider Martain pointing a typically smug self righteous un-informed fingure at the US, when they in fact had done better then us, lmao.
 
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OOOOOO that's bitter Bear...:)

Just because a bunch of elected theives lie to you and tell you their "well aware of the issues" and have a policy waiting...." somewhere....sometime....Oh never mind....

You're upset with this?

SNAFU and FUBAR all over the place...
 

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OOOOOO that's bitter Bear...:)

Just because a bunch of elected theives lie to you and tell you their "well aware of the issues" and have a policy waiting...." somewhere....sometime....Oh never mind....

You're upset with this?

SNAFU and FUBAR all over the place...
Yes it ticks me right off Mikey.

As much as i lean to the right, I am not some neo con, blindly toing a party line. I see corruption for what it is. I hold no politician in any higher honour then any other. I have yet to see a politician do anything that was for the PEOPLE, for the COUNTRY. They all pander and swing in the political breeze. Harpo was my last hope. But even he has been a dud.
 

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What did the liberals do to bring us closer to meeting the objectives?

"0"

Well, not unless you consider Martain pointing a typically smug self righteous un-informed fingure at the US, when they in fact had done better then us, lmao.
Yeah, that was funny. Um, about the only things that Liberals would do were the things that they thought would help them cling to power. They crave power like junkies crave heroin. Similar to the States, who would do anything for a buck.
 

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OOOOOO that's bitter Bear...:)

Just because a bunch of elected theives lie to you and tell you their "well aware of the issues" and have a policy waiting...." somewhere....sometime....Oh never mind....

You're upset with this?

SNAFU and FUBAR all over the place...
lol.

Oh, yeah, the topic. If Jack Lenin wanted to cut back on greenhouse gases sincerely, he'd keep the hole under his nose clammed.
 

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lol.

Oh, yeah, the topic. If Jack Lenin wanted to cut back on greenhouse gases sincerely, he'd keep the hole under his nose clammed.
Thank goodness, I was waiting for my coffee to finish brewin' or I would have just sprayed my puter... LOL.