NDP could pull support for Liberal government over pharmacare, health care privatization: Singh (a new twist!)

The_Foxer

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Possibly not a bad strategy. Ain't like he's gonna pull any votes from the Tories or the Bloc.

Sounds like he's out to convert some Libs. Probably the most fertile field for him.
Well amusingly the tories are pulling voters from him right now. And that's got to concern him he can't afford to bleed to the libs and the cpc. So this will be in part to try to stop that bleed. But the libs took a fair number of voters from the ndp and i think he's trying to win some of them back. "Hey, you may have thought justin was as left as we are but really he's not, come back to where you belong". That kind of thing. We'll see if that works for him.
 

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Possibly not a bad strategy. Ain't like he's gonna pull any votes from the Tories or the Bloc.

Sounds like he's out to convert some Libs. Probably the most fertile field for him.
More like trying to pull votes from the greens. They are kind of weird. Aside from their stance on the environment, they are often all over the map on other subjects.
 

Ron in Regina

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Well amusingly the tories are pulling voters from him right now. And that's got to concern him he can't afford to bleed to the libs and the cpc. So this will be in part to try to stop that bleed. But the libs took a fair number of voters from the ndp and i think he's trying to win some of them back. "Hey, you may have thought justin was as left as we are but really he's not, come back to where you belong". That kind of thing. We'll see if that works for him.
Trudeau is going after the “Notwithstanding Cause” now, which will not be popular in Quebec to put it mildly.
Now…I may be wrong, but I think this is protected in Canadian Charter of Rights & Freedoms…but that’s only to be respected when convenient, right?

Factor this into the hypothetical 2025 federal election results. I’m still picturing a Conservative Gov’t with the next largest party (the official opposition) being the Bloc Québécois….followed by the Liberals, & a greatly diminished NDP keeping the Greens company in the nosebleed section.

The Liberals are trailing the Conservatives in most polls and, as crucially, they are not judged to be the best stewards on the big issues that voters care about most, the cost of living, health care and the economy.

Trudeau’s wager is that he can take on Quebec Premier Francois Legault at the Supreme Court of Canada, while maintaining the Liberal seat count (35) in the province.

In a recent interview with Joel-Denis Bellavance in La Presse, Trudeau said he is worried that provinces are increasingly using the “notwithstanding” override clause pre-emptively and that Justice Minister David Lametti is looking at referring the matter to the Supreme Court of Canada.

Trudeau’s statement of the bloody obvious had the equally predictable response from Legault, who blew a gasket on social media, calling it a “frontal assault” on Quebec.
“Quebec will never accept such a weakening of its rights. Never,” Legault said.

In response, Legault argued that no Quebec government has ever adhered to the 1982 Constitution Act, which he said “does not recognize the Quebec nation.”

Legault then quoted Trudeau’s father, former Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau, who saw the clause as a means for the federal and provincial governments to ensure that elected representatives rather than the courts have the final say. He advised the prime minister to consider his father’s words.

“It is up to the National Assembly to decide on the laws that govern us as a nation,” Legault said. Representatives for the Prime Minister did not immediately respond to request for comment on Legault’s response.
 

Ron in Regina

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This next election, whenever it happens (in 2025 unless Justin decides otherwise) will be about how well the Bloc does in Quebec against the Liberals on one front with the Conservatives surprisingly getting a few seats there maybe, and just about the Conservatives vs Liberals for the rest of Canada.
Trying to reel in Quebec’s use of the notwithstanding clause might play well in some places (until people realize that it also takes away their own right provincially to use the same notwithstanding clause), but this is not going to go over well with most of Quebec, which happens to be where Justin Trudeau’s own riding is.
Justin will dust off the old “Don’t split the vote with the NDP or else the evil will dominate” preaching. The Conservatives will point at the last decade of Liberal Reign with a “What the actual fuck Canada?” Campaign, & the other parties, including the NDP will just be like mosquitoes buzzing around. That’s it.
I don’t even think this (“Don’t Split the far left vote”) will play well for the liberals this time around… and it might actually feed Jagmeet some votes….& he will need them.
It will sound like this for that 60 days: “Guns are evil! Don’t look at Canada, but look south! Where do you stand on the settled argument about abortion that nobody will touch anyway? Do you actually have an opinion but you’re gonna not act on anyway? You’re evil and a threat! A vote for the NDP is a vote for the conservatives. Something something LGBTQ-Etc…Conservatives scary.”
But maybe….Maybe, after a decade of Justin Trudeau, people will have opened their eyes to what’s been happening, and then open up their wallet to compare Pre-Trudeau (Justin, not Pierre) to the current day.

$100 in 2015 is equivalent in purchasing power to about $119.58 today, an increase of $19.58 over 8 years. The dollar had an average inflation rate of 2.26% per year between 2015 and today, producing a cumulative price increase of 19.58%.

This means that today's prices are 1.20 times as high as average prices since 2015, according to Statistics Canada consumer price index. A dollar today only buys 83.626% of what it could buy back then…& 2025 is still a couple of years away.
 

Ron in Regina

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“We’re in a period of normalizing the suspension of fundamental rights,” the prime minister lamented. “That worries me.” Said…..Justin Trudeau??

(Cough…Emergencies Act…Cough) When asked about it again in Toronto on Monday, Trudeau reiterated his opposition to proactively thwarting legal challenges.

Proactive-licious…Mmmmmm….
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The_Foxer

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Trudeau is going after the “Notwithstanding Cause” now, which will not be popular in Quebec to put it mildly.
True. They are literally the 'notwithstanding province'.

And it's in the charter - he's going to have a tough time actually doing anything about it.

Factor this into the hypothetical 2025 federal election results. I’m still picturing a Conservative Gov’t with the next largest party (the official opposition) being the Bloc Québécois….followed by the Liberals, & a greatly diminished NDP keeping the Greens company in the nosebleed section.
It's not impossible. It wouldnt' even be the first time the bloc was the official opposition.

The liberals really rely on a strong seat count to win elections. If they crash there then they may well crash everywhere as they'll be seen to be very weak.

Its entirely possible we could see a CPC/Bloc gov't and opposition. The interesting thing there is that more than most they'd have reasonable cause to work together and get results. So canadians might turn out to like that.