NATO & the Trump Factor

Hoid

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Let us compare how much of NATO spending goes to Canadian businesses and how much goes to American businesses.

The fact is they spend **** all on Canadian equipment and we spend billions on American equipment.

Time to suspend all military spending. We obviously cannot buy the new generation arms under old generation alliance frameworks.

That's over.
 

Curious Cdn

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Let us compare how much of NATO spending goes to Canadian businesses and how much goes to American businesses.

The fact is they spend **** all on Canadian equipment and we spend billions on American equipment.

Time to suspend all military spending. We obviously cannot buy the new generation arms under old generation alliance frameworks.

That's over.

Hmm. What equipment do we buy from the States? Artillary, aircraft, Naval weaponry. It's a fair bit of $$ but it is a fraction of what is spent in total, not the whole enchilada.

What comes from Canada? All of our warships except for the Subs, Griffon helicopters, LAVs, vehicles, Bombardier aircraft, Uniforms, small arms (the standard rifles are Canadian made) electronics, vittaling and provisions, fuel, some munitions plus all of the goods and services purchased by bases as they go about their business.

They seem to spend "**** all" in Canada until you take a closer look.
 

Hoid

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if you take a closer look with white nationalist climate change denier eyes - which means you simply believe whatever it is you want to believe.
 

Hoid

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your conjecture that canada does not spend more money on US equipment than the US spends on Canadian equipment is not supportable by actual facts, therefore it must be supportable by "alternative facts" such as the white nationalist climate change deniers rely on in order to believe ridiculous things.
 

Curious Cdn

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your conjecture that canada does not spend more money on US equipment than the US spends on Canadian equipment is not supportable by actual facts, therefore it must be supportable by "alternative facts" such as the white nationalist climate change deniers rely on in order to believe ridiculous things.

That's not my conjecture at all I'm saying that we spend more of our Defence $$ in Canada than in the United States.

Been in to the mushrooms again, Hoid?
 

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Ahead of NATO and Putin summits, Trump��s confounding approach to diplomacy rattles allies

President Trump��s interactions with world leaders have been guided by his belief that his ability to win over, charm and cajole foreign leaders is more important than policy details or the advancement of strategic goals.

In conversations with the leaders of Canada, Britain and Germany, Trump is sometimes assertive, brash and even bullying on issues he feels strongly about, such as trade, according to senior U.S. officials.

Trump has told senior aides in recent days that he wants to slash U.S. spending on Europe��s defense if the allies are unwilling to contribute more to NATO, a senior administration official said.

But with Russian President Vladimir Putin, Trump takes a more conciliatory approach, often treating him as a confidant.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...c=al_news__alert-world--alert-national&wpmk=1
 

Curious Cdn

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CF18s cost how much?

We bought those back in the 1970s they were amortized back in the 20th century. The latest version is coming from Australia. Are we to caluculate this on a half century basis?

We bought the Sea Kings back in 1962. They were purchased from Sikorsky but assembled in Canada. How do we divvy that one up?
 

Hoid

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well, if its an American company we call it American.

So the year we purchased the CF18s what did we buy from Canada that cost more than that - always keeping in mind that procurement was worth more than our annual budget.
 

Curious Cdn

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well, if its an American company we call it American.

So the year we purchased the CF18s what did we buy from Canada that cost more than that - always keeping in mind that procurement was worth more than our annual budget.

During the period that we took delivery of the F-18s we designed and built in Canada 12 Kingston Class coastal patrol vessels and 12 Patrol frigates. We also refit our 4 Iroquois DDH Destroyers ... total gut job and re-build, all of it at a cost of billions. The Harpoon anti-ship missiles, Sparrow surface to air missiles, Phalanx close-in defence guns, Mark 46 Torpedos and gas turbines on the Frigates are of American origin. Most of the rest of all 24 ships are of Canadian origin. Of special mention are the advanced Canadian designed and built integrated weapons and sensor control system and the stealthy funnels that eliminate the infrared signatures of the exhaust gasses (developed by the NRC, that technology is a current export of ours). There are also some European components: Guns, diesel engines, radars but the overall content is mostly Canadian.

This work was as large as, probably larger than the whole F-18 acquisition. Ships are big and really expensive. Except for the Orca Class patrol vessels built a decade ago, we are only just getting started with building the next generation of warships. We have three AOPS Arctic patrol ships under construction in Halifax, an AOR supply ship was just launched in November from Quebec City and two more are about to start in Vancouver. We have just spent $4.3 billion updating the weaponry, sensors and computer systems on the 12 Frigates and they are essentially up-to-date, again. The competition to build the next generation of 15 destroyers is due this month.

Major $$$$.

Big time $$$$, most of which is being spent in Canada. It dwarfs the F-18s and it is all on the same sort of scale as the crazy F-35 project.
 
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During the period that we took delivery of the F-18s we designed and built in Canada 12 Kingston Class coastal patrol vessels and 12 Patrol frigates. We also refit our 4 Iroquois DDH Destroyers ... total gut job and re-build, all of it at a cost of billions. The Harpoon anti-ship missiles, Sparrow surface to air missiles, Phalanx close-in defence guns, Mark 46 Torpedos and gas turbines on the Frigates are of American origin. Most of the rest of all 24 ships are of Canadian origin. Of special mention are the advanced Canadian designed and built integrated weapons and sensor control system and the stealthy funnels that eliminate the infrared signatures of the exhaust gasses (developed by the NRC, that technology is a current export of ours). There are also some European components: Guns, diesel engines, radars but the overall content is mostly Canadian.

This work was as large as, probably larger than the whole F-18 acquisition. Ships are big and really expensive. Except for the Orca Class patrol vessels built a decade ago, we are only just getting started with building the next generation of warships. We have three AOPS Arctic patrol ships under construction in Halifax, an AOR supply ship was just launched in November from Quebec City and two more are about to start in Vancouver. We have just spent $4.3 billion updating the weaponry, sensors and computer systems on the 12 Frigates and they are essentially up-to-date, again. The competition to build the next generation of 15 destroyers is due this month.

Major $$$$.

Big time $$$$, most of which is being spent in Canada. It dwarfs the F-18s and it is all on the same sort of scale as the crazy F-35 project.
Guns are bad George . We don’t like them in Canada .