National Post Writer Screws Herself in Own Headline

Walter

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The English treated everyone who wasn't English like shit.

They tried to beat the culture out of all non-English children in school.

They treated the working adults like slaves.

Don't give me any of this "we" bullshit.
Have you heard of the Quebec Act 1774?
 

White_Unifier

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A more practical solution might be to reduce the official status of English and French so as to make them less in-your-face. For example, make English official only outside of Quebec and only French official in Quebec. That would be a small step forward.

In Nunavut, perhaps make English and French optional.
 

Decapoda

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Maybe a simpler solution would be to keep the present English and French names for schools, buildings, bridges, etc. but give them different names in the indigenous languages. Kind of like how Persians refer to the Persian Gulf but some Arabs refer to the same gulf as the Arab Gulf in their language. That way, everyone is happy.

This is about taking down a statue. What do you suggest...leave it up, throw some head-feathers on him and rewrite history books to reflect a narrative of John A MacDonald as a champion of indigenous relations? Maybe give him some nice hair and declare him a feminist like Justin, too?
 

White_Unifier

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This is about taking down a statue. What do you suggest...leave it up, throw some head-feathers on him and rewrite history books to reflect a narrative of John A MacDonald as a champion of indigenous relations? Maybe give him some nice hair and declare him a feminist like Justin, too?

No. Maybe just not put up any new statues of him and focus on statues of other less controversial people instead when erecting any new statue.

This is about taking down a statue. What do you suggest...leave it up, throw some head-feathers on him and rewrite history books to reflect a narrative of John A MacDonald as a champion of indigenous relations? Maybe give him some nice hair and declare him a feminist like Justin, too?

Oh, and if we're going to go down that route, why not declare him a practicing Muslim too?
 

Curious Cdn

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No it doesn't.

Keep the statues and names but maybe just recognize some new ones too.

That's right. Let's see some statues to Tyendinaga, Techumseh, Donnacona, Riel, Piapot sacttered about the country so that their stories are heard. Don't take away someone else's lest YOUR history be erased by some future Canadians who come from a different ethnic background than yours.

The whole White European presence in North America might be erased in 300 years by some future haters after this precedence is set.
 

justlooking

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I feel very guilty about it as it stares me in the face every single day


You should feel bad, You voted for it. Several times.


So yes you should screw whatever family still talks to you,
and give your house up to the FNs.
Your bank account as well.






So what will take away all that guilt? .




More money, of course.
The answer is always more money.
The answer is only more money.


Nothing else will do.

The whole White European presence in North America might be erased in 300 years by some future haters after this precedence is set.


Whatever takes over won't need or bother with the silly 'precedent' created by the alt left.
They will simply destroy what we built, and plant camels.
 

Curious Cdn

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You should feel bad, You voted for it. Several times.


So yes you should screw whatever family still talks to you,
and give your house up to the FNs.
Your bank account as well.











More money, of course.
The answer is always more money.
The answer is only more money.


Nothing else will do.




Whatever takes over won't need or bother with the silly 'precedent' created by the alt left.
They will simply destroy what we built, and plant camels.

The people replacing us are not from Camel Land.
 

Decapoda

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No. Maybe just not put up any new statues of him and focus on statues of other less controversial people instead when erecting any new statue.

But how would you form multiple narratives and names for historical figures to cater to and respect cultural sensitivities as you suggest? You indicated that each historic symbol or legacy name should be given multiple names so each segregated cultural group can "honour" our history in their own way. This was your "simpler solution", 4 or 5 names for one monument or symbolic legacy. If there are no statues to name, how can we satisfy our delusion of diversity, or worse...our contempt for national unity?

Oh, and if we're going to go down that route, why not declare him a practicing Muslim too?

Sure...why not? That is apparently what you are suggesting, isn't it.
 

White_Unifier

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Good question. But we have to go further than that...much further.

Below is a list of all Canadian Prime Ministers who served while residential schools were in operation.

Sir John Alexander Macdonald
Alexander Mackenzie
Sir John Abbott
Sir John Thompson
Sir Mackenzie Bowell
Sir Charles Tupper, 1st Baronet
Sir Wilfrid Laurier
Sir Robert Laird Borden
Arthur Meighen
W.L. Mackenzie King
Arthur Meighen
Richard Bedford Bennett
Louis Saint Laurent
John G. Diefenbaker
Lester B. Pearson
Pierre Elliott Trudeau
Joe Clark
John N. Turner
Brian Mulroney
Kim Campbell
Jean Chrétien
Paul Martin

The Indian Act was revised many times through the years (29 by my count, post-confederation), and all of these PM's prior to Stephen Harper condoned and supported the Residential School System during their terms. As such, if we are to measure historical performance and achievement through the lens of current social moral standard, there is not a single name on this list which should be spared. Schools, airports, mountain peaks...institutions of all types which bear the names of any of these PMs need to immediately be dismantled or renamed in an effort to erase the historical wrongs of this country.

As well, in addition to Residential Schools, John A MacDonald was also responsible for linking East and West by way of the Trans Continental Railroad. This must be immediately mothballed and dismantled if we are to erase his legacy from the historical record.


"The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history."-George Orwell

Then we have a Canada's former Governor-General who later led the bombardment of Canton, forced the Qing Emperor to sign the Treaty of Tientsin, and ordered the complete destruction of the Old Summer Palace in the Second Opium War.

Perhaps we should fly an 1889 version of the flag of the Qing Dynasty next to any statue of his or of any building named after him in commemoration of his participation in the Opium Wars.

Fly it high and proud!

But how would you form multiple narratives and names for historical figures to cater to and respect cultural sensitivities as you suggest? You indicated that each historic symbol or legacy name should be given multiple names so each segregated cultural group can "honour" our history in their own way. This was your "simpler solution", 4 or 5 names for one monument or symbolic legacy. If there are no statues to name, how can we satisfy our delusion of diversity, or worse...our contempt for national unity?



Sure...why not? That is apparently what you are suggesting, isn't it.

No, I was referring to allowing a building to be named after a different person in a different language. Obviously that can't apply to a statue... or at least I thought it was obvious. Please don't prove me wrong.
 

Decapoda

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No, I was referring to allowing a building to be named after a different person in a different language. Obviously that can't apply to a statue... or at least I thought it was obvious. Please don't prove me wrong.

Guess it wasn't too obvious, while we were discussing statues you were talking buildings.
 

Decapoda

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Then we have a Canada's former Governor-General who later led the bombardment of Canton, forced the Qing Emperor to sign the Treaty of Tientsin, and ordered the complete destruction of the Old Summer Palace in the Second Opium War.

Perhaps we should fly an 1889 version of the flag of the Qing Dynasty next to any statue of his or of any building named after him in commemoration of his participation in the Opium Wars.

Fly it high and proud!

I don't think anyone is suggesting putting up unsettling or provocative symbols honouring the abuse suffered in residential schools (except maybe yourself?)

Why do you feel the need to memorialize the figures who shaped and built this country only by the mistakes they make?
 

Curious Cdn

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they all relate to the attempt to erase our history for good or bad.

We have good tihings in our past and we have bad things in our past. Given the relative "livability" of this country, we have done more things well than badly.

But ... we should never forget how not to act in the future. Erasing histories merely to be politically correct works against what the Politically Correct believe that they are going to achieve.
 

White_Unifier

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I don't think anyone is suggesting putting up unsettling or provocative symbols honouring the abuse suffered in residential schools (except maybe yourself?)

Why do you feel the need to memorialize the figures who shaped and built this country only by the mistakes they make?

My bad: humour is not always obvious online. Sorry about that.

More seriously though, it would make more sense to just honour the positive contributions of the person who's statue we oput up. If we put up indigneous statues, then they could discuss their contributions too.
 

Cliffy

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Racism was the norm in Macdonald's day. In fact it is the norm (albeit under cover) even today. In the time of the Columbus invasion until recently, there wasn't even a name for racism, it was just an accepted fact of life until the repressed started making a noise about it in the 50s. Being PC is just another form of repression. We cannot judge the past by the moral standards of today. It is just ignorant.
I find it funny that even our resident "injun" and the half breeds on here, call me a wannabe because I have been helping the former residents of this area fight for their recognition for almost 30 years. Oh, well, that seems to be the state of the humming race right now. I call it the tampon syndrome: uptight and out of sight.
 

White_Unifier

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Racism was the norm in Macdonald's day. In fact it is the norm (albeit under cover) even today. In the time of the Columbus invasion until recently, there wasn't even a name for racism, it was just an accepted fact of life until the repressed started making a noise about it in the 50s. Being PC is just another form of repression. We cannot judge the past by the moral standards of today. It is just ignorant.
I find it funny that even our resident "injun" and the half breeds on here, call me a wannabe because I have been helping the former residents of this area fight for their recognition for almost 30 years. Oh, well, that seems to be the state of the humming race right now. I call it the tampon syndrome: uptight and out of sight.

The Sermon on the Mount was printed in every Bible and translated into the King's English long before MacDonald's time.